Game Thread: Week 18 Season Finale: Seahawks vs Rams

[jerseyhawksfan79]

They traded their QB and got back Goff plus 2 1st round picks and a 3rd. That was a pretty easy decision given their situation at the time.

It also set them up for success.

Irrelevant on what they got back. Campbell coached up a cast off into a top 5 QB.

 

[Screamin12th]

It's sad that you feel a need to resort to childish namecalling. You get branded a Geno hater because you say ridiculous things in criticism of him and are incapable of giving him credit. I have never accused anyone else here of being a Geno hater, even if they want to move on from him.



Says the guy that thinks that bringing in Kirk Cousins or Daniel Jones would be an improvement. You want to get rid of Geno and you don't really care who the team replaces with him with.

When did i say bring them in? You said there were NO options LMAO! I just listed off a half dozen. Geno is a dead horse.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

The Bucs have the same record as we do. They just happen to be in a worse division.

Every situation is unique. Do you really think Darnold would notably better than Geno on this team?

Geno 21TDs to 15ints
Darnold 35TDs to 12ints

Just for shits and giggles I'll subtract 7TDs since our o-line sucks and we'll keep the ints the same.

So new stats Geno 21Tds to 15ints
Darnold 28TDs to 12ints.
Answer is yes Darnold would be better and Hawks probably in the playoffs

Bucs being in the worse division is irrelevant. Baker Mayfield a cast off is 2 for 2 on getting the Bucs to the playoffs. Geno is 1 for 3 and regressed each year.

 

[flyerhawk]

When did i say bring them in? You said there were NO options LMAO! I just listed off a half dozen. Geno is a dead horse.

FFS. I never said there no options.

I asked who you wanted and you listed a bunch of players. Then said Geno was a bottom 10 QB.

 

[Screamin12th]

FFS. I never said there no options.

I asked who you wanted and you listed a bunch of players. Then said Geno was a bottom 10 QB.

Geno IS a bottom 10-12 QB. The sooner you realize this the better off you will be.

GO back and watch the Lions/Vikings game again and watch HOW FAST Goff goes through 4 reads FOUR! he does it in the time it takes Geno to throw to his first read. The Broadcast did a close up on his face and you see him go through 4 reads before throwing the ball all with in less than 3 seconds from the ball being snapped. Geno CAN NOT go through his progression AT ALL! That makes him a poor QB but you do not see that part of his game. This is way he CONSTANTLY is throwing into double coverage and constantly missing WIDE OPEN players.

 

[Screamin12th]

Geno 21TDs to 15ints
Darnold 35TDs to 12ints

Just for shits and giggles I'll subtract 7TDs since our o-line sucks and we'll keep the ints the same.

So new stats Geno 21Tds to 15ints
Darnold 28TDs to 12ints.
Answer is yes Darnold would be better and Hawks probably in the playoffs

Bucs being in the worse division is irrelevant. Baker Mayfield a cast off is 2 for 2 on getting the Bucs to the playoffs. Geno is 1 for 3 and regressed each year.

The fact that you had to change the goal post should tell you all you need. His mom must have dropped him on his head a few times when he was little. Logical thinking isn't his forte.

Hawks with Darnold THIS SEASON would have been a 12+ win team easy.

Geno ended the season with easily his absolute best game of the season with out a doubt and one of his best games ever. Yards don't mean shit. who cares if you throw for 500 yards if you also throw 5 INT's. Give me 200 yards 2 TD and no turnovers EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK!

 

[WizardHawk]

If the rumors are true and Grubb went against what Macdonald told him to do in (I believe) the Vikings game, then it's no wonder he got fired and rightly so. You can work with someone learning and growing, but you can't stay with someone that can't stay within the leadership framework.

Now we get yet another new OC and another ground up wholesale change to an offensive system on a team that's been on the slide for several years now. Comes at a time when you can argue that at least 6 starters need to be replaced on that side of the ball.

I do not have high hopes for next years offense.

 

[Screamin12th]

If the rumors are true and Grubb went against what Macdonald told him to do in (I believe) the Vikings game, then it's no wonder he got fired and rightly so. You can work with someone learning and growing, but you can't stay with someone that can't stay within the leadership framework.

Now we get yet another new OC and another ground up wholesale change to an offensive system on a team that's been on the slide for several years now. Comes at a time when you can argue that at least 6 starters need to be replaced on that side of the ball.

I do not have high hopes for next years offense.

Grubb wasnt good. I thought they might go with it another year to see if he learned anything but if he went against the "plan" and did his own thing thats just bad. They seemed pretty balanced this past game ( 27 pass and 24 runs ) so i would like to know what was changed. Maybe the HC wanted Geno to play from under center for most of the game.

 

[WizardHawk]

Grubb wasnt good. I thought they might go with it another year to see if he learned anything but if he went against the "plan" and did his own thing thats just bad. They seemed pretty balanced this past game ( 27 pass and 24 runs ) so i would like to know what was changed. Maybe the HC wanted Geno to play from under center for most of the game.

Grubb had flashes of creative play calling and for sure used JSN better than the last guy.

We can't know how much of the offensive issues were Grubb, Huff, Players, Geno, or really Macdonald. That's why you trust your HC and GM to have the insight to assess the blame accordingly.

If that rumor is true and Macdonald was pissed off at him after his not putting in a run when told to and had decided at that time his days were numbered then it had to happen.

Either way, again that was the 4th OC over the last 7 seasons.

They need continuity on that side of the ball.

 

[Screamin12th]

Grubb had flashes of creative play calling and for sure used JSN better than the last guy.

We can't know how much of the offensive issues were Grubb, Huff, Players, Geno, or really Macdonald. That's why you trust your HC and GM to have the insight to assess the blame accordingly.

If that rumor is true and Macdonald was pissed off at him after his not putting in a run when told to and had decided at that time his days were numbered then it had to happen.

Either way, again that was the 4th OC over the last 7 seasons.

They need continuity on that side of the ball.

I agree that playing musical chairs is a bad idea at OC ( Or HC or any positional coach ) but if he was going against what the coach wanted then it's his head ( the HC ) thats at risk. Yeah Grubbs offensive scheme wont work in the NFL, and that point smacked me square in the face when i saw a 3rd and 5 or 6 and the WR's all ran post patterns WTF! IT WAS ONLY 5 or 6 YARDS! lmao. Geno got pressured waiting on these LONG routes and threw incomplete ... i think ... he might have got sacked. What else was he going to do when the WR's routes ALL OF THEM are taking them DEEP down the field and the defense is sending a 3rd down blitz! It was just nasty they would be so stupid and call that play. It was against the Vikings. It was like a punch in the face from pure incompetence. I wouldnt doubt that THAT play also is stuck in the HC head. That was just as bad as it could get. I think it was when they missed the FG also. Hard to remember i slept since then.

 

[flyerhawk]

Geno 21TDs to 15ints
Darnold 35TDs to 12ints

Just for shits and giggles I'll subtract 7TDs since our o-line sucks and we'll keep the ints the same.

So new stats Geno 21Tds to 15ints
Darnold 28TDs to 12ints.
Answer is yes Darnold would be better and Hawks probably in the playoffs

Bucs being in the worse division is irrelevant. Baker Mayfield a cast off is 2 for 2 on getting the Bucs to the playoffs. Geno is 1 for 3 and regressed each year.

And why wasn't Darnold like this at the 3 other teams he played for?

The Bucs have the exact same record as the Seahawks the psat 2 seasons. But I guess that's proof of Mayfield being better?

 

[flyerhawk]

Geno IS a bottom 10-12 QB. The sooner you realize this the better off you will be.

GO back and watch the Lions/Vikings game again and watch HOW FAST Goff goes through 4 reads FOUR! he does it in the time it takes Geno to throw to his first read. The Broadcast did a close up on his face and you see him go through 4 reads before throwing the ball all with in less than 3 seconds from the ball being snapped. Geno CAN NOT go through his progression AT ALL! That makes him a poor QB but you do not see that part of his game. This is way he CONSTANTLY is throwing into double coverage and constantly missing WIDE OPEN players.

What's funny to me is you try to talk like you know what you are talking about but you say nonsense. Darnold had the 3rd longest time to throw in the NFL this year. Furthermore, time to throw is often a function of the routes being run and pass protection.

Amazing how you can see how many progressions a QB goes through on television. You are a true savant.

Like I said, you will take anyone over Geno.

 

[Screamin12th]

What's funny to me is you try to talk like you know what you are talking about but you say nonsense. Darnold had the 3rd longest time to throw in the NFL this year. Furthermore, time to throw is often a function of the routes being run and pass protection.

Amazing how you can see how many progressions a QB goes through on television. You are a true savant.

Like I said, you will take anyone over Geno.

Yeah right, i think everyone can see my football IQ is on a whole other level than yours. You cant seem to see passed Geno's ball sacks lmao. You TRULY believe Geno is Better than Sam Darnold? Do you really BELIEVE that? Even Sam Darnolds BAD YEARS he was on par to Geno Smith lol. Did you IGNORE the 15 INT's? the fact he has lead the NFL in REDZONE INTS for 2 years? The Fact he CAN NOT read though his progression OR a Defense? The fact that in the biggest momments he fucks up the most?

Did you see his comments about this season and Grubbs offense? No? "I love the passion that he brings to the game, and he made me a better quarterback." See Geno thinks he is a better QB than he was before and he just isnt even close, and the ONLY thing that was acceptable this year was yards.... Yards dont mean a damn thing but the fact geno said this means he is looking for stats not wins, he is out for himself not the team. In 22 he was better, in 23 he was better but not as good as 2022. Geno is a worse QB now and that is not going to get better. He is in a regression and will continue to be in one. Wilson is on par with Geno minus the turnovers and No one seems to want Wilson any more. Carr is actually better Stats wise than Geno, No one wants him any more. Cousins has been BETTER than Geno but no one wants him any more. What does Geno have dirty photos of you or something? Lmao.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yeah right, i think everyone can see my football IQ is on a whole other level than yours. You cant seem to see passed Geno's ball sacks lmao. You TRULY believe Geno is Better than Sam Darnold? Do you really BELIEVE that? Even Sam Darnolds BAD YEARS he was on par to Geno Smith lol. Did you IGNORE the 15 INT's? the fact he has lead the NFL in REDZONE INTS for 2 years? The Fact he CAN NOT read though his progression OR a Defense? The fact that in the biggest momments he fucks up the most?

What's funny is you say the same things over and over and over again but pretend like it's new information. Yes, we are ALL aware of how many interceptions Geno has thrown and how he did in the red zone.

Did you see his comments about this season and Grubbs offense? No? "I love the passion that he brings to the game, and he made me a better quarterback." See Geno thinks he is a better QB than he was before and he just isnt even close, and the ONLY thing that was acceptable this year was yards.... Yards dont mean a damn thing but the fact geno said this means he is looking for stats not wins, he is out for himself not the team. In 22 he was better, in 23 he was better but not as good as 2022. Geno is a worse QB now and that is not going to get better. He is in a regression and will continue to be in one. Wilson is on par with Geno minus the turnovers and No one seems to want Wilson any more. Carr is actually better Stats wise than Geno, No one wants him any more. Cousins has been BETTER than Geno but no one wants him any more. What does Geno have dirty photos of you or something? Lmao.

You have made it clear that you think that Geno is one of the worst QBs in the NFL and that you would take almost anyone over him. You've been saying it for 3 seasons now. I'm certainly not interested in arguing with you about Geno and I am annoyed with myself for thinking that you might, at long last, be able to have a rational conversation. You are no different than all the other Geno haters.

Guess what? He's going to be the QB next year. Maybe you can find a different team to root for so you don't have to watch Geno Smith play QB again.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

The fact that you had to change the goal post should tell you all you need. His mom must have dropped him on his head a few times when he was little. Logical thinking isn't his forte.

Hawks with Darnold THIS SEASON would have been a 12+ win team easy.

Geno ended the season with easily his absolute best game of the season with out a doubt and one of his best games ever. Yards don't mean shit. who cares if you throw for 500 yards if you also throw 5 INT's. Give me 200 yards 2 TD and no turnovers EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK!

As a fan I've always hated the "stay the course" mentality of just be competitive to slide into the playoffs or not, rather than find a way to put a championship team on the field. 3yrs is a good enough sample size to understand Geno isn't taking us to a Super Bowl.

 

[flyerhawk]

As a fan I've always hated the "stay the course" mentality of just be competitive to slide into the playoffs or not, rather than find a way to put a championship team on the field. 3yrs is a good enough sample size to understand Geno isn't taking us to a Super Bowl.

I don't think he is either. That doesn't mean we just throw a dart at the wall and hope for the best.

Which is why I ALWAYS ask what we should do specifically. You seem to be comfortable with letting Geno go and hoping to sign Fields in the offseason, or at least that's what I infer. I find that pretty risky an unnecessary as they could just sign Fields and have them both compete, assuming they like Fields.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

And why wasn't Darnold like this at the 3 other teams he played for?

The Bucs have the exact same record as the Seahawks the psat 2 seasons. But I guess that's proof of Mayfield being better?

So do we want to dive into Jets and Panthers franchise? You know already why he wasn't starting for SF. If you want to be an ass we can play that game.

Just say you don't have any ideas on how to improve the QB position. It'll save us time from running in circles.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I don't think he is either. That doesn't mean we just throw a dart at the wall and hope for the best.

Which is why I ALWAYS ask what we should do specifically. You seem to be comfortable with letting Geno go and hoping to sign Fields in the offseason, or at least that's what I infer. I find that pretty risky an unnecessary as they could just sign Fields and have them both compete, assuming they like Fields.

I gave you specifics not sure why you continue to ask that question.

I've asked you what you'd give up for JJ McCarthy yet all I get is crickets. What are you afraid of? It's a simple question to answer and then I'll give you my simple response to this simple question.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

If the rumors are true and Grubb went against what Macdonald told him to do in (I believe) the Vikings game, then it's no wonder he got fired and rightly so. You can work with someone learning and growing, but you can't stay with someone that can't stay within the leadership framework.

Now we get yet another new OC and another ground up wholesale change to an offensive system on a team that's been on the slide for several years now. Comes at a time when you can argue that at least 6 starters need to be replaced on that side of the ball.

I do not have high hopes for next years offense.

Never knew about that one.

 

[flyerhawk]

So do we want to dive into Jets and Panthers franchise? You know already why he wasn't starting for SF. If you want to be an ass we can play that game.

Just say you don't have any ideas on how to improve the QB position. It'll save us time from running in circles.

You seem to be completely inconsistent and dismiss past poor play due to the team but then assume that their play would be interchangeable between their current team and the Seahawks.

I've already said several things I would be completely fine with. Apparently the only acceptable answer is that we cut Geno though.

I gave you specifics not sure why you continue to ask that question.

I've asked you what you'd give up for JJ McCarthy yet all I get is crickets. What are you afraid of? It's a simple question to answer and then I'll give you my simple response to this simple question.

I TWICE said what I would give up. The last time I said I would be fine with what Cowherd proposed of a 2nd and a 4th and you decided to tell me that you don't care what Cowherd thinks. You've already said that the most you would give up for McCarthy would be a 4th which means you have no interest in getting him.