Game Thread: Week 15 Sunday night: Packers vs Seahawks “Must contain Jacob’s” Thread

[flyerhawk]

Well, I think Harold's point was trading to #1 (unless the Bears weren't entertaining offers from the NFC West or Seattle) was an option. I dunno why I said yesterday they may have not been entertaining offers to NFC teams - DERP, they traded to Carolina lol. And with #5 and #20, it was fairly realistic. We easily could've put together a better package than Carolina and it wouldn't have been TOO steep. Now I was fine not taking a QB if it worked out that way, but I was pretty pissed off when we took a fuckin' CORNERBACK when our DL/OL was major weak points at #5.... It's annoying we keep passing on QBs because we need to build a better supporting cast, and we've pissed away 2 years (and a ton of draft ammo) not doing either. I mean I guess we got Cross and Murphy... *shrugs*

I don't recall seeing ANYONE say that we should trade up No. 1. I don't think giving up a bunch of assets to trade up is the same thing as "passing" on a QB. The only QB we passed on in the past 2 years is Will Levis, well and later round picks.

As for this years draft, the Skins/Pats and Bears were not interested in trading. They wanted their QB of the future, and 3 good prospects were there. To trade from #16 to #2/#3 when the team already wants a QB would've been some MASSIVE ridiculous Herschel Walker kind of trade. Trading from #5 to #1 with the #20 and additional 2nd we had was fairly realistic in 2023 when the Bears WANTED to trade.

Yeah. Maybe we could have moved up to No. 9 and snagged McCarthy but that's a pretty risk.

And the 2022 draft class just sucked ass. Sites mocking us Malik Willis at #9, lmao...

End of day, trading up for Stroud was realistic. And yes, you sacrifice 2 more 1st rounders (albeit prob. later/mid 1st rounders), but it's not a MAJOR downside (like trading up from #16 to a team that doesn't want to trade)... clearly John/Pete didn't think he was their guy. It's just what it is.

Honestly, I don't think Pete had any interest in drafting a QB early. He knew he wasn't going to be around for a full rebuild. He sold Jody on keeping him based on staying competitive.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

You can argue over the QB until you get erectile dysfunction, the facts are we have invested almost nothing in the interior of our OL and it creates systemic problems on offense. We cant run the ball consistently and we cant protect the QB on 3rd down (it doesn't help that he holds the ball too long).
John schneider has openly professed he thinks guards and centers are overpaid and over drafted
While teams like KC invest heavily in IOL and win superbowls
So until schneider gets canned, this team is going nowhere.

CBS has a 2025 mock draft this is who they have the Seahawks taking:


Sounds like they consider the pick a reach but given how bad the Seahawks OL is they feel the Seahawks will reach. Doesn't sound like a good plan despite the need.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I don't recall seeing ANYONE say that we should trade up No. 1. I don't think giving up a bunch of assets to trade up is the same thing as "passing" on a QB. The only QB we passed on in the past 2 years is Will Levis, well and later round picks.

Yeah. Maybe we could have moved up to No. 9 and snagged McCarthy but that's a pretty risk.

Honestly, I don't think Pete had any interest in drafting a QB early. He knew he wasn't going to be around for a full rebuild. He sold Jody on keeping him based on staying competitive.

Going to be lazy about quoting you lol.

On your 1st point, I don't recall anyone saying to trade up to #1 either. And it was fairly obvious Houston wanted Stroud (rumor mill anyway). I'm saying you could ARGUE we passed him up because we could've traded to #1... that's all I'm saying. And then of course that Harold and I wanted Stroud. If we'd taken Witherspoon over Stroud I would've REALLY lost it.

For McCarthy yah... I really didn't want him - but we could've.

And I don't think Pete did either. And I don't think John did either. I can't quote exactly but pretty sure in various conferences and pressers, etc. they admitted we were very close to competing or ready to compete. That doesn't sound like a team starting over at QB. Pete really liked Geno too. I don't think John does but maybe he didn't like anyone in this draft, either (or we were just nowhere near obtaining them - like the 1/2/3 guys).

 

[MrS]

CBS has a 2025 mock draft this is who they have the Seahawks taking:

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Sounds like they consider the pick a reach but given how bad the Seahawks OL is they feel the Seahawks will reach. Doesn't sound like a good plan despite the need.

Has schneider ever drafted a G in round one? Maybe carpenter but he played T in college.
They wont take a G in round one, if we are lucky they take a NT but theyll probably take another CB or WR

 

[flyerhawk]

Going to lazy about quoting you lol.

On your 1st point, I don't recall anyone saying to trade up to #1 either. And it was fairly obvious Houston wanted Stroud (rumor mill anyway). I'm saying you could ARGUE we passed him up because we could've traded to #1... that's all I'm saying. And then of course that Harold and I wanted Stroud. If we'd taken Witherspoon over Stroud I would've REALLY lost it.

For McCarthy yah... I really didn't want him - but we could've.

And I don't think Pete did either. And I don't think John did either. I can't quote exactly but pretty sure in various conferences and pressers, etc. they admitted we were very close to competing or ready to compete. That doesn't sound like a team starting over at QB.

We COULD have traded up for Stroud. But that would have been pretty shocking.

What I said at the time was if the QB they want, whoever they wanted, was there at 5 then they should grab him. But trading up didn't seem practical to me. Given that it appeared Pete had googly eyes for Richardson, that could have ended poorly for us.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

We COULD have traded up for Stroud. But that would have been pretty shocking.

What I said at the time was if the QB they want, whoever they wanted, was there at 5 then they should grab him. But trading up didn't seem practical to me. Given that it appeared Pete had googly eyes for Richardson, that could have ended poorly for us.

Agreed. Yeah I didn't want Richardson. I didn't even understand the hype around him.

 

[flyerhawk]

Agreed. Yeah I didn't want Richardson. I didn't even understand the hype around him.

I would have been fine with any of them except Richardson. At the time at least.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

The point is this Geno Leads the NFL in RED ZONE TURNOVERS for the past TWO GOD DAMN YEARS. imagine where the Hawks would be with out that massive issue and it IS a massive issue like it or not. No one can or SHOULD ignore it. The offense would look better 100%

Geno hates the Red-zone, he goes into panic mode and throws some ducks …

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Rudolph HELL NO! But Daniels is still young and we just need a QB for 2 or 3 more years not a long term Guy. There is only one way we get our QB and thats some type of trade be it draft or player. Everyone looks like trash in New York, that team needs to be blown up. Some times you got to look at these guys and say "WHO has shown a small spark" "which of these younger guys MIGHT still grow" Have they peaked yet? Have they shown all they could? See I dont think Players like Drew Lock or Jones have peaked yet. Neither is a long term answer but they all are at Geno's level with a chance to grow thats the issue you are missing " THE CHANCE TO GROW!" Geno ISNT going to get better only worse.

I wanted Mayfield because i knew he was better than average most of the time but would have games where he looked like a stud. He has done that every place he has played almost. You could see he has something. yes not a great player but at times he could be VERY good. When you look at Purdy and even this season his worst he has had and you see one thing that is always pretty good and thats his redzone production. There is truth behind these stats IF you look for them or you can put your blinders back on.

As far as our QB situation.. we are screwed. really is NO OPTION but to beg Geno for a restructure and run him out there in 2025. Oh yay for us. The worst 38.5 million QB ever.

I wouldn’t take up the cap space, we aren’t going anywhere with Geno regardless so take a chance and just go cheap against the cap if no other good options are available… Build up the O-line, get the QB you want eventually, in the meantime make it a cheap stop gap while you build things up and then BAM!! Bring in a young Tom Brady … Ok well, a dam good prospect at least …

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Not that Harold needs my help, but he and I both made a number of posts BEFORE the draft saying we wanted Shroud. That was not hindsight.

After watching his junior season, I knew he was going to be real good in the NFL. Senior season was outstanding. I so badly wanted him to get drafted here. Watching games of Jayden Daniels I figured he was the best of the QBs with Penix 2nd and Williams 3rd.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Always has been.

I love Geno as a Back up QB, he is more than capable of coming in and playing good starter quality football but the longer he is on the field the more mistakes "and they are ALWAYS costly ones" he makes. This has been his calling card from day one. Physically he has all the gifts, mentally he lacks almost every skill needed.

It isnt just his INT's in the redzone either his completion percentage drops to 47% in the redzone. He damn near completes more passes to the other teams than his own team in the redzone lol.

Here are a few QB's that are better than Geno in the redzone.

Baker Mayfield
Tua Tagovailoa
Justin Fields
Aidan O'Connell
Bo Nix
Drake Maye
Derek Carr
Andy Dalton
Mason Rudolph
Jacoby Brissett
Mac Jones
Daniel Jones
Will Levis
Cooper Rush

this list could go one for a long time as i left off the high profile guys and others that only had limited chances ( less than 20 attempts )

My pick for next year isn't a popular pick but possibly getting Justin Fields on prove it deal while building up both lines I think is the way to go.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

CBS has a 2025 mock draft this is who they have the Seahawks taking:

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Sounds like they consider the pick a reach but given how bad the Seahawks OL is they feel the Seahawks will reach. Doesn't sound like a good plan despite the need.

Only if Dillion Gabrieal is off the board

 

[flyerhawk]

My pick for next year isn't a popular pick but possibly getting Justin Fields on prove it deal while building up both lines I think is the way to go.

I really don't get what you see in Fields.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I really don't get what you see in Fields.

Cheap on a prove it deal while FO can add to both lines this next draft.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Cheap on a prove it deal while FO can add to both lines this next draft.

Cheap, young and mobile sounds better then old and expensive. A bridge to get to the next good QB class. Improve the roster where possible in next year draft then do what is needed to land the QB of the future in 2026 prospect. Hopefully that will be a good QB class with options.

 

[MrS]

im yes on fields, he has proven he can lead a team to the #1 overall pick. sign me the fuck up.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Always has been.

I love Geno as a Back up QB, he is more than capable of coming in and playing good starter quality football but the longer he is on the field the more mistakes "and they are ALWAYS costly ones" he makes. This has been his calling card from day one. Physically he has all the gifts, mentally he lacks almost every skill needed.

It isnt just his INT's in the redzone either his completion percentage drops to 47% in the redzone. He damn near completes more passes to the other teams than his own team in the redzone lol.

Here are a few QB's that are better than Geno in the redzone.

Baker Mayfield
Tua Tagovailoa
Justin Fields
Aidan O'Connell
Bo Nix
Drake Maye
Derek Carr
Andy Dalton
Mason Rudolph
Jacoby Brissett
Mac Jones
Daniel Jones
Will Levis
Cooper Rush

this list could go one for a long time as i left off the high profile guys and others that only had limited chances ( less than 20 attempts )

Definitely some options there .. Justin Fields might be worth kicking the tires on, he has upside and the youth

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

im yes on fields, he has proven he can lead a team to the #1 overall pick. sign me the fuck up.

He was actually doing pretty decent in Pitt before Russ took over …

 

[Screamin12th]

I wouldn't mind Fields because of his age and the fact that in the 6 games he started not once did he have a rating below 91.9. Geno cant say that as he was over 91 only twice in his first 6 games this year. Hell Geno's average rating for the season is under 90 and Fields is over 93.

QBR is a little more brutal for ratings but they say around 75 is probowl level for QBR. Neither Geno or Fields are close to that with Geno at 52.1 and Fields at 53.2.

The BIG Kicker Geno is 1-1 in TD to INT's Fields is 5 to 1 in TD to INT's

A Mobile QB could help with the sack numbers and rushing attack. Geno is Mobile but he doesnt use it that often. If he ran more i think his numbers would look better but this guy is a little on the fragile side. Removing the Redzone TO and many of the other TO/INT's that Geno commits would go a LONG WAY to helping this team and Defense.

I would like the fact also that they would then need to run more.

 

[AceKeptic]

RIP season...

I'm sorry, but even if Geno comes back to play again, he's just gonna keep getting picked in the end zone...he could teach Rick Mirer how to choke a drive.

and defense will still fail to do their jobs. Another year that feels like we're still on Norton's playbook.

We all get injuries, too, but who's got the balls to step up in the absence of who's hurt?

It's gonna be a rough road to rebuilding this time, all signs are showing.