Game Thread: Week 9 : Rams vs Seahawks *MUST D UP*

[MKHawk]

Hey all,

I think that game broke me. This team needs an enema. There is too much talent for them to continue to blow games like this.

#1 I want Schneider out. We got jokes about overpaid and overdrafted OL. Meanwhile the team continues to roll out turnstiles in 3.5/5 OL spots. I also do not trust him to pick the next QB as the instincts he has acted on at that position have been awful minus Russ. I give JS no credit for Geno, that was clearly Pete.

2. I'm out on Ryan Grubb. I supported going for it on 4th down, but when you can't block anybody, going jumbo and inviting all 11 defenders to the line of scrimmage is insanity. Pete fired his OC after 1 year when he took over, and I advocate McDonald to do the same. He did something very similar in the Pats game which was even dumber as they didn't have K9.

3. Trade Riq Woolen for whatever we can get by Tuesday. I'm done. No more. It should be an okay return (4th or 5th), as he clearly has talent. But if it's not shitty run defense (all last year), it's penalties. Or it's camping out for an INT andbl letting the receiver undercut him. Or it's getting caught looking in the backfield on Cover-0. It's always something.

4. It is not this hard to build a competent OLine. It's not just spend more resources, we're clearly doing a shitty job picking the right people almost no matter what level of resources we are using. This goes back to #1.

5. This team has plenty of talent. But too much of the talent either shrinks in the big moment, or loses its head all too often. Which goes back to #1.

I'm struggling to find reasons to bother with the current team, which is where I was the last couple years of Pete. I'm not seeing much change under McDonald (which does reflect on him too) so I look to the constants in the equation.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

True but not at 10


Let's a another Hunting dog to with Hall and Mafe

That would be good also

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Once in a blue moon sure, it happens. I hate having to count a long shot like that. I bet Howell starts next's year with some sub par rookie QB backing him up.

Yeah, sometimes teams search for decades for that elite starter … HOPEFULLY we can have a little luck on our side… Coach Macdonald should seriously consider starting Sam soon just to see what he offers, it’s not like we’re going anywhere with Geno regardless, and it sounds like we’re not gonna pay him, which WOULD be a big mistake if Macdonald wants to make it as a head coach …

 

[Anointed One]

Hey all,

I think that game broke me. This team needs an enema. There is too much talent for them to continue to blow games like this.

#1 I want Schneider out. We got jokes about overpaid and overdrafted OL. Meanwhile the team continues to roll out turnstiles in 3.5/5 OL spots. I also do not trust him to pick the next QB as the instincts he has acted on at that position have been awful minus Russ. I give JS no credit for Geno, that was clearly Pete.

2. I'm out on Ryan Grubb. I supported going for it on 4th down, but when you can't block anybody, going jumbo and inviting all 11 defenders to the line of scrimmage is insanity. Pete fired his OC after 1 year when he took over, and I advocate McDonald to do the same. He did something very similar in the Pats game which was even dumber as they didn't have K9.

3. Trade Riq Woolen for whatever we can get by Tuesday. I'm done. No more. It should be an okay return (4th or 5th), as he clearly has talent. But if it's not shitty run defense (all last year), it's penalties. Or it's camping out for an INT andbl letting the receiver undercut him. Or it's getting caught looking in the backfield on Cover-0. It's always something.

4. It is not this hard to build a competent OLine. It's not just spend more resources, we're clearly doing a shitty job picking the right people almost no matter what level of resources we are using. This goes back to #1.

5. This team has plenty of talent. But too much of the talent either shrinks in the big moment, or loses its head all too often. Which goes back to #1.

I'm struggling to find reasons to bother with the current team, which is where I was the last couple years of Pete. I'm not seeing much change under McDonald (which does reflect on him too) so I look to the constants in the equation.

Great to hear from you again… Great points all the way around…. I especially agree with you about John Schneider.

 

[MrS]

Yeah, sometimes teams search for decades for that elite starter … HOPEFULLY we can have a little luck on our side… Coach Macdonald should seriously consider starting Sam soon just to see what he offers, it’s not like we’re going anywhere with Geno regardless, and it sounds like we’re not gonna pay him, which WOULD be a big mistake if Macdonald wants to make it as a head coach …

I agree, seen enough of geno might as well see what Howell can do.

Great to hear from you again… Great points all the way around…. I especially agree with you about John Schneider.

If next year the team goes backwards, schneider is done. Get someone from the chiefs or steelers that can draft OL and DL

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Yeah, sometimes teams search for decades for that elite starter … HOPEFULLY we can have a little luck on our side… Coach Macdonald should seriously consider starting Sam soon just to see what he offers, it’s not like we’re going anywhere with Geno regardless, and it sounds like we’re not gonna pay him, which WOULD be a big mistake if Macdonald wants to make it as a head coach …

Well this is what happens when drafting QBs is put off, you end up being desperate. I would of thought JS coming from the Packers would understand the benefits of investing at QB on a regular basis vs waiting until your back is up against the wall and doing something foolish ( like drafting a QB in a class that has poor quality at the position). Yet here we are with a GM who been here a decade and has invested as little as possible in the position, a third round on RW and some late late flyer on one and that's it. Packers mean while have been set at QB for so long I barely remember them being in the position the Seahawks find themselves, per Favre I guess, so decades ago.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Well this is what happens when drafting QBs is put off, you end up being desperate. I would of thought JS coming from the Packers would understand the benefits of investing at QB on a regular basis vs waiting until your back is up against the wall and doing something foolish ( like drafting a QB in a class that has poor quality at the position). Yet here we are with a GM who been here a decade and has invested as little as possible in the position, a third round on RW and some late late flyer on one and that's it. Packers mean while have been set at QB for so long I barely remember them being in the position the Seahawks find themselves, per Favre I guess, so decades ago.

You can't invest heavily at the QB position when RW was a locked in starter plus Seattle minus last season was drafting early to late 20's. They could never have made the move to get top 5. I would argue 2yrs ago was the time to pull the trigger with Chicago to move up to 1 but that would have costed at least 3 firsts and probably another 3rd rounder somewhere. The cost would have been the same last draft to move up and get Jayden daniels if anybody wanted to make that move.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Hey all,

I think that game broke me. This team needs an enema. There is too much talent for them to continue to blow games like this.

#1 I want Schneider out. We got jokes about overpaid and overdrafted OL. Meanwhile the team continues to roll out turnstiles in 3.5/5 OL spots. I also do not trust him to pick the next QB as the instincts he has acted on at that position have been awful minus Russ. I give JS no credit for Geno, that was clearly Pete.

2. I'm out on Ryan Grubb. I supported going for it on 4th down, but when you can't block anybody, going jumbo and inviting all 11 defenders to the line of scrimmage is insanity. Pete fired his OC after 1 year when he took over, and I advocate McDonald to do the same. He did something very similar in the Pats game which was even dumber as they didn't have K9.

3. Trade Riq Woolen for whatever we can get by Tuesday. I'm done. No more. It should be an okay return (4th or 5th), as he clearly has talent. But if it's not shitty run defense (all last year), it's penalties. Or it's camping out for an INT andbl letting the receiver undercut him. Or it's getting caught looking in the backfield on Cover-0. It's always something.

4. It is not this hard to build a competent OLine. It's not just spend more resources, we're clearly doing a shitty job picking the right people almost no matter what level of resources we are using. This goes back to #1.

5. This team has plenty of talent. But too much of the talent either shrinks in the big moment, or loses its head all too often. Which goes back to #1.

I'm struggling to find reasons to bother with the current team, which is where I was the last couple years of Pete. I'm not seeing much change under McDonald (which does reflect on him too) so I look to the constants in the equation.

I'm with you on #1. Too early for #2. I'd want more for Woolen then a 4th or 5th otherwise let's keep trying to weed out his faults. OL ? Really disagree with thinking the Seahawks have spent a lot on the OL other then tackles, JS keeps thinking he can find OL in the 5th round and using a 4th is splurging on OL. Now is he good at judging OL? Doesn't appear to have good insight on OL talent in the draft. The thing about firing JS is that I feel we should give him one more year so he can take responsibility for the pickle at QB (seeing as it unlikely the answer is in this draft) THEN fire his ass for mismanaging the QB position. Really won't be fair to a new GM to fix the position in 2025.

 

[WizardHawk]

Sacked 7xs, 2 fumbled snaps, 3 picks, 12 penalties and we went to OT…. Unreal

And yet somehow there are people blaming it on Grubb.

 

[MKHawk]

I'm with you on #1. Too early for #2. I'd want more for Woolen then a 4th or 5th otherwise let's keep trying to weed out his faults. OL ? Really disagree with thinking the Seahawks have spent a lot on the OL other then tackles, JS keeps thinking he can find OL in the 5th round and using a 4th is splurging on OL. Now is he good at judging OL? Doesn't appear to have good insight on OL talent in the draft. The thing about firing JS is that I feel we should give him one more year so he can take responsibility for the pickle at QB (seeing as it unlikely the answer is in this draft) THEN fire his ass for mismanaging the QB position. Really won't be fair to a new GM to fix the position in 2025.

I'd want more as well for Woolen, but at this stage of the season I think a 4th is the best we can expect, and I'd take it. Let him be someone else's tantalizing problem.

It's not that JS has spent a fortune of capital on OL but I'd wager that at least 8-10 other teams have gotten better results with very similar capital.

I'm sympathetic to giving JS another year without Pete over his head, but 1) I believe that if you're seriously thinking about firing a HC/GM, you should just do it. Giving them 1 more year to turn things around usually ends up backfiring because they end up making a bunch of shortsighted moves that leave you even worse off a year later when you do pull the plug. 2) What in JS's history gives you faith he can find the right QB, other than Russ? Russ looks like the exception for JS, not the rule.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

You can't invest heavily at the QB position when RW was a locked in starter

Not correct, Packers invested a first even with Favre locking down the starter position and then did it again with Rodgers (he didn't like it and they had a big need at WR at the time). Packers drafted other QBs while Favre was QB and would flip them for a profit.

Seattle minus last season was drafting early to late 20's

So? Chiefs where picking after the Seahawks and already had Alex Smith who was playing the best ball of his career but jumped up to the 10th spot to draft Mahomes.

These are just excuses for JS not acting, and as I said considering where he came from it was weird.

 

[MKHawk]

And yet somehow there are people blaming it on Grubb.

That 4th and 1 formation and play call was soooo bad =(

 

[Lineman16]

Hey all,

I think that game broke me. This team needs an enema. There is too much talent for them to continue to blow games like this.

#1 I want Schneider out. We got jokes about overpaid and overdrafted OL. Meanwhile the team continues to roll out turnstiles in 3.5/5 OL spots. I also do not trust him to pick the next QB as the instincts he has acted on at that position have been awful minus Russ. I give JS no credit for Geno, that was clearly Pete.

2. I'm out on Ryan Grubb. I supported going for it on 4th down, but when you can't block anybody, going jumbo and inviting all 11 defenders to the line of scrimmage is insanity. Pete fired his OC after 1 year when he took over, and I advocate McDonald to do the same. He did something very similar in the Pats game which was even dumber as they didn't have K9.

3. Trade Riq Woolen for whatever we can get by Tuesday. I'm done. No more. It should be an okay return (4th or 5th), as he clearly has talent. But if it's not shitty run defense (all last year), it's penalties. Or it's camping out for an INT andbl letting the receiver undercut him. Or it's getting caught looking in the backfield on Cover-0. It's always something.

4. It is not this hard to build a competent OLine. It's not just spend more resources, we're clearly doing a shitty job picking the right people almost no matter what level of resources we are using. This goes back to #1.

5. This team has plenty of talent. But too much of the talent either shrinks in the big moment, or loses its head all too often. Which goes back to #1.

I'm struggling to find reasons to bother with the current team, which is where I was the last couple years of Pete. I'm not seeing much change under McDonald (which does reflect on him too) so I look to the constants in the equation.

Solid post!..For me I think Grubb's offense needs a QB that can read a defense. Geno just can't IMO.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I'd want more as well for Woolen, but at this stage of the season I think a 4th is the best we can expect, and I'd take it. Let him be someone else's tantalizing problem.

It's not that JS has spent a fortune of capital on OL but I'd wager that at least 8-10 other teams have gotten better results with very similar capital.

I'm sympathetic to giving JS another year without Pete over his head, but 1) I believe that if you're seriously thinking about firing a HC/GM, you should just do it. Giving them 1 more year to turn things around usually ends up backfiring because they end up making a bunch of shortsighted moves that leave you even worse off a year later when you do pull the plug. 2) What in JS's history gives you faith he can find the right QB, other than Russ? Russ looks like the exception for JS, not the rule.

Maybe I wasn't clear. I want to retain him through 2025 because the mess can't be properly address in the 2025 draft. NOT because I'm sympathetic for JS. Let him sleep in the bed he made, then show him the door so hopefully a better GM can get the Seahawks a QB in the 26 draft that has promise and not this craptasic mess we have at QB right now (and in 2025).

 

[MKHawk]

Maybe I wasn't clear. I want to retain him through 2025 because the mess can't be properly address in the 2025. NOT because I'm sympathetic for JS. Let him sleep in the bed he made then show him the door so hopefully a better GM can get the Seahawks a QB in the 26 draft that has promise and not this craptasic mess we have at QB right now (and in 2025).

Gotcha. I'd still rather get the new guy in sooner because he's going to have to make some moves in 2025 to get us in position to take a legit swing at getting the guy in 2026.

 

[WizardHawk]

That 4th and 1 formation and play call was soooo bad =(

Sorry, you haven't been here lately for the "if we only had a different OC we'd be good" drama.

No one believes Grubb is the top play caller in the game. He's made his share of mistakes, but has also had some creative plays we never had before.

The point was there were so many blown chances that had nothing to do with the play caller that just changing him out wasn't going to win that game.

And there was a timeout before that 4th down play. If your HC isn't on the headset and weighing in on the call then he shouldn't have that job. It's not unlike Pete and the SB pick instead of running Marshawn.

They had time to get a solid play in and that's all they ran.

Still, that O line is one of the worst this team has had and that's saying something. Grubb has still been able to craft drives with that miserable hot garbage. He did enough tonight to have doubled the score given how many times Geno just flat fucked up, the center failed, stupid penalties, etc.

JS needs to go and most of us have been saying that for a while. There was a piece someone did a couple of years back about how all of those early draft classes the team hit on were mostly due to the head of scouting and that guy ended up leaving to go to Washington. The team hasn't sniffed that level of success since and that was around a decade ago now. They mostly filled in with vets while Russ was still on a rookie contract and have slowly been on the decline since having to rely on drafts more again.

We need someone that can evaluate talent or this team will never climb back up to being a contender again.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Not correct, Packers invested a first even with Favre locking down the starter position and then did it again with Rodgers (he didn't like it and they had a big need at WR at the time). Packers other QBs while Favre was QB and would flip them for a profit.

So? Chiefs where picking after the Seahawks and already had Alex Smith who was playing the best ball of his career but jumped up to the 10th spot to draft Mahomes.

These are just excuses for JS not acting, and as I said considering where he came from it was weird.

First point...You want your rookie starting immediately on that rookie contract to build up the rest of the team. Sitting 3yrs is useless and wasting a top 100 pick that should be an automatic starter. The other danger of sitting a rookie QB for 3yrs is it gives the FO 1yr to decide if you execute the 5th yr option and then long term contract. That's a fireable offense if it goes wrong.

Second point...Alex Smith was always an average QB and yes he was playing some good ball but he was never the long term answer for KC. It made sense to trade up and snag Maholms. Like I said, the last 2 years was the time to move up for Stroud or Jayden Daniels but have to remember Geno was a Pete guy so JS would not have had the green light from Pete to trade up for Stroud and last year the defense struggled so I get why Seattle stood at 5 and drafted Murphy.

 

[WizardHawk]

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Maybe I wasn't clear. I want to retain him through 2025 because the mess can't be properly address in the 2025 draft. NOT because I'm sympathetic for JS. Let him sleep in the bed he made, then show him the door so hopefully a better GM can get the Seahawks a QB in the 26 draft that has promise and not this craptasic mess we have at QB right now (and in 2025).

Problem is adding another draft class will make the team better and if Howell plays slightly better ball than Geno, we're stuck at 8 or 9 wins and nowhere near top 10 to draft a QB. Waiting another year serves no purpose. This would be the year to move on from JS if this team completely tanks.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Problem is adding another draft class will make the team better and if Howell plays slightly better ball than Geno, we're stuck at 8 or 9 wins and nowhere near top 10 to draft a QB. Waiting another year serves no purpose. This would be the year to move on from JS if this team completely tanks.

Your probably right.