Game Thread: Week 18 Season Finale: Seahawks vs Rams

[Sharkonabicycle]

I gave you specifics not sure why you continue to ask that question.

I've asked you what you'd give up for JJ McCarthy yet all I get is crickets. What are you afraid of? It's a simple question to answer and then I'll give you my simple response to this simple question.

Pretty sure flyer and I both said we'd be fine giving up a 2nd and 4th... of which we'll have. Sure Cowherd said that, but whatever. Seems fine to me. I thought he was worth a 2nd to begin with and he needed a year to develop anyway (like literally muscle wise lol). Minny is not going to trade him for a 4th lol and a 2nd/4th may also be a stretch...

I think he's prob. gonna be a game manager, but that'll fit nicely if we're looking for TOP, ball control, minimal turnovers, and Mac can make us a top 5 D again. And if you are gonna do that, you need an OC (pref a former QB or QB coach) with NFL experience... hence why I think Grubb is gone. Not saying they're making that trade, but if you want a young QB (drafting one this year) you want that as well.. And then with a defensive HC, you just have to be prepared to know that you're going to be moving on from that OC in 3-4 years if he kills it... so get your young guy while you can now.

 

[flyerhawk]

Pretty sure flyer and I both said we'd be fine giving up a 2nd and 4th... of which we'll have. Sure Cowherd said that, but whatever. Seems fine to me. I thought he was worth a 2nd to begin with and he needed a year to develop anyway (like literally muscle wise lol). Minny is not going to trade him for a 4th lol and a 2nd/4th may also be a stretch...

Honestly if you pressed me I would probably give up a 1st for JJ now. I think the risk is worth it. I would do the same for Penix but they would laugh us out of the room.

I honestly don't get why any fan would think that the FO would even consider* getting rid of Geno and replacing him with some retread. It doesn't make any sense to me. Sure, it's possible that Derek Carr or Zach Wilson would come in here and play dramatically better. But the offensive line would still be the offensive line. No matter how much some people want to pretend that the great limiting factor for this team is Geno, it isn't. It's the OL. If we fix it, the problem may then be Geno but the team would be considerably better.

* - I do think that the team is going to expect Geno to restructure his contract as there is no way they are going to take a 44 million cap hit on him. There is no reason to. Whether they give him more money to restructure remains to be seen though.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Honestly if you pressed me I would probably give up a 1st for JJ now. I think the risk is worth it. I would do the same for Penix but they would laugh us out of the room.

I honestly don't get why any fan would think that the FO would even consider* getting rid of Geno and replacing him with some retread. It doesn't make any sense to me. Sure, it's possible that Derek Carr or Zach Wilson would come in here and play dramatically better. But the offensive line would still be the offensive line. No matter how much some people want to pretend that the great limiting factor for this team is Geno, it isn't. It's the OL. If we fix it, the problem may then be Geno but the team would be considerably better.

* - I do think that the team is going to expect Geno to restructure his contract as there is no way they are going to take a 44 million cap hit on him. There is no reason to. Whether they give him more money to restructure remains to be seen though.

Yeah but after watching Darnold melt like butter in a hot oven under the relentless Lion pass rush, don't think the Vikings are putting JJ on the trading block and even if they did, it likely takes more then a middle to late first round pick.

 

[MrS]

Yeah but after watching Darnold melt like butter in a hot oven under the relentless Lion pass rush, don't think the Vikings are putting JJ on the trading block and even if they did, it likely takes more then a middle to late first round pick.

Lets see what he does in the playoffs against the rams.
Id at least offer a round 1 swap plus our 2nd for him.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Lets see what he does in the playoffs against the rams.
Id at least offer a round 1 swap plus our 2nd for him.

Vikings aren't trading him, no matter what they decide about Darnold.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yeah but after watching Darnold melt like butter in a hot oven under the relentless Lion pass rush, don't think the Vikings are putting JJ on the trading block and even if they did, it likely takes more then a middle to late first round pick.

I suspect you're right. Most likely the Vikings are going to want more than we probably would be willing to trade for because they have no need to trade him.

 

[MrS]

Vikings aren't trading him, no matter what they decide about Darnold.

I wouldn't if i were them but it make sense to at least throw the offer at them

 

[flyerhawk]

Vikings aren't trading him, no matter what they decide about Darnold.

If the Vikings go deep in the playoffs, they may be willing to deal McCarthy.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Vikings aren't trading him, no matter what they decide about Darnold.

Oh agreed. I don't know why as of right now they'd trade him for a 2nd and 4th lol... I'm just saying if that was the asking price, I'd pull the trigger. I'm sure a number of other teams would as well, lol.

I agree even if they resign Darnold they'll just keep JJ. He's not that expensive, and the kid is like what, 21 years old? He still looks like a teenager lol. He needed time to develop in a lot of people's opinion, and a lot of scouts were saying he should go back to school (but I get his reasons for bailing with the Michigan turnover and buzz for QBs which sent him clear into the 1st).

Now a lot is going to depend on what Darnold does in the playoffs... because he just kind of had the Penix effect lol. Penix was like a top 10 lock, and then after Michigan everyone was like, "SECOND ROUNDER AT BEST! HE SUCKS!" LOL.... course that's just a bunch of talking heads, but whatever.

But I still don't think they'll let him go. Darnold had a VERY comparable year to.... GENO (in 2022)! Hey! LOL... and I'd argue his team was far better than Geno's first year in Seattle.. (or last year) - so we'll see. Point being it's very possible Sam could regress a bit, and they may switch to JJ. And outside of TD passes there years this year were pretty damn comparable too lol.

I don't mind drafting a QB in the mid round or doing something like I said for JJ (for that capital) but I really don't see how moving on from Geno immediately is the answer right now lol.

 

[Anointed One]

Honestly if you pressed me I would probably give up a 1st for JJ now. I think the risk is worth it.

This is where I'm at as well... I'd be ok giving up our 1:18 or our 2nd and 4th... I think JJ will be better than people are giving him credit for personally...

I don't want to sign Darnold... I'm not sold on that guy...

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

You seem to be completely inconsistent and dismiss past poor play due to the team but then assume that their play would be interchangeable between their current team and the Seahawks.

I've already said several things I would be completely fine with. Apparently the only acceptable answer is that we cut Geno though.




I TWICE said what I would give up. The last time I said I would be fine with what Cowherd proposed of a 2nd and a 4th and you decided to tell me that you don't care what Cowherd thinks. You've already said that the most you would give up for McCarthy would be a 4th which means you have no interest in getting him.

I haven't been inconsistent and I've said these castoffs that you wouldn't want over Geno have gone to teams and have resurrected their careers with better coaching staffs. You choose to dismiss all the castoffs thinking Geno is the only option which is completely short sided on your part.

Yes I don't care what Cowherd thinks, he's an idiot. You were proposing an additional draft pick on top of the 2nd and 4th. So what is it?
Yes a 4th rounder for a QB that has had 2 recent procedures on his knee. Giving up a 2nd/4th and whatever pick of your choice for an injured QB basically sinks this if/when he doesn't pan out.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Pretty sure flyer and I both said we'd be fine giving up a 2nd and 4th... of which we'll have. Sure Cowherd said that, but whatever. Seems fine to me. I thought he was worth a 2nd to begin with and he needed a year to develop anyway (like literally muscle wise lol). Minny is not going to trade him for a 4th lol and a 2nd/4th may also be a stretch...

I think he's prob. gonna be a game manager, but that'll fit nicely if we're looking for TOP, ball control, minimal turnovers, and Mac can make us a top 5 D again. And if you are gonna do that, you need an OC (pref a former QB or QB coach) with NFL experience... hence why I think Grubb is gone. Not saying they're making that trade, but if you want a young QB (drafting one this year) you want that as well.. And then with a defensive HC, you just have to be prepared to know that you're going to be moving on from that OC in 3-4 years if he kills it... so get your young guy while you can now.

Over paying Shark. He had knee surgery and on top of that knee wasn't responding well in rehab and had to go back in again. Starting to sound like damage goods plus being a game manager is what we already have just older and less semi banged up.

3rd round seems to be good choice of QB.

 

[flyerhawk]

This is where I'm at as well... I'd be ok giving up our 1:18 or our 2nd and 4th... I think JJ will be better than people are giving him credit for personally...

I don't want to sign Darnold... I'm not sold on that guy...

Darnold would be a pretty risky signing especially if he does well in the playoffs. We really don't know how much of his performance is a reflection of the team he is on.

 

[flyerhawk]

I haven't been inconsistent and I've said these castoffs that you wouldn't want over Geno have gone to teams and have resurrected their careers with better coaching staffs. You choose to dismiss all the castoffs thinking Geno is the only option which is completely short sided on your part.

I don't think that Geno is the only option. In fact I think that there are a bunch of QBs that could come in and play to his level and maybe a little better. But they could also do worse and I don't find the odds of the player being dramatically better worth the risk.

You are falling into the same rut that Screamin does where you think that people defending Geno are big fans of Geno.

Yes I don't care what Cowherd thinks, he's an idiot. You were proposing an additional draft pick on top of the 2nd and 4th. So what is it?
Yes a 4th rounder for a QB that has had 2 recent procedures on his knee. Giving up a 2nd/4th and whatever pick of your choice for an injured QB basically sinks this if/when he doesn't pan out.

Well at least you acknowledge that I did answer your question. It's fine that you don't want McCarthy. You may be right. And the reality is that he probably won't be traded and if he is it will be for a lot more than what we can/will pay.

My point, however, is that when you claim that I am not willing to come up with other ideas, that's simply false. I'm all for taking a shot on JJ. I'm all for bringing in someone like Zach Wilson. Hell I'm fine with Fields as well. But none of those players are safe enough to justify getting rid of Geno.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Over paying Shark. He had knee surgery and on top of that knee wasn't responding well in rehab and had to go back in again. Starting to sound like damage goods plus being a game manager is what we already have just older and less semi banged up.

3rd round seems to be good choice of QB.

Well sure, if he can't pass medical or this is going to be a constant nagging knee thing like Lucas, obviously we'd back out. Fortunately before those trades are made, you can diagnose it.

My point was trading a 2nd and 4th BECAUSE Darnold is the next Geno Smith but younger (seriously their stats look identical the first comeback year lol - it's just Minny had a middle of the road D and Carroll assembled one of the worst in the league). So if Minny wanted to trade McCarthy I'd take the chance...

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I don't think that Geno is the only option. In fact I think that there are a bunch of QBs that could come in and play to his level and maybe a little better. But they could also do worse and I don't find the odds of the player being dramatically better worth the risk.

You are falling into the same rut that Screamin does where you think that people defending Geno are big fans of Geno.



Well at least you acknowledge that I did answer your question. It's fine that you don't want McCarthy. You may be right. And the reality is that he probably won't be traded and if he is it will be for a lot more than what we can/will pay.

My point, however, is that when you claim that I am not willing to come up with other ideas, that's simply false. I'm all for taking a shot on JJ. I'm all for bringing in someone like Zach Wilson. Hell I'm fine with Fields as well. But none of those players are safe enough to justify getting rid of Geno.

Well when you constantly shit on all ideas and don't fall in line with yours without giving it a thought, yes you'd rather stay with geno and mediocrity. That's the vibe you give off. Now Zach Wilson? Sure I'd give him a shot and if he sucks we'll be at the top of the draft 2026 but the point of all this is sometimes you have to take a step or 2 back to get better.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Well sure, if he can't pass medical or this is going to be a constant nagging knee thing like Lucas, obviously we'd back out. Fortunately before those trades are made, you can diagnose it.

My point was trading a 2nd and 4th BECAUSE Darnold is the next Geno Smith but younger (seriously their stats look identical the first comeback year lol - it's just Minny had a middle of the road D and Carroll assembled one of the worst in the league). So if Minny wanted to trade McCarthy I'd take the chance...

Could be past the draft by the time he passes his physical.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Could be past the draft by the time he passes his physical.

Yah true, who knows.

 

[WizardHawk]

I'm betting the FO goes after Cousins who is almost certainly going to be released and cost whoever picks him up league minimum similar to Wilson's deal after he got released from the Broncos.

Dump Geno and end up only in like 15m instead of over 45m they'd get stuck with keeping Geno and spend 30m somewhere else.

No, I'm not saying this is what I want, but there is talk about it around the league.

 

[flyerhawk]

Well when you constantly shit on all ideas and don't fall in line with yours without giving it a thought, yes you'd rather stay with geno and mediocrity. That's the vibe you give off. Now Zach Wilson? Sure I'd give him a shot and if he sucks we'll be at the top of the draft 2026 but the point of all this is sometimes you have to take a step or 2 back to get better.

Shit on all your ideas? I literally say that you could be right in almost every post I make.

It's ok to disagree.

If you really just want to tank next year then we just see things very differently