Game Thread: Week 18 Season Finale: Seahawks vs Rams

[Sharkonabicycle]

Tyler could be cut and then prob. just resigned for a 1 year $3M deal or something if he wants to play. His cap hit next year is a staggering $31M but only a dead cap of $4M... so yah. I doubt they'd restructure and keep kicking the can down the road, makes no sense. And his free agent interest will be very little.

At a cost of $7M (dead + new deal) I'd be fine bringing him back, since I'm not sure DK is going to be kept around. It's a deep WR class and he's had a few nagging injuries to the knee not to mention his hot head mentality he hasn't grown out of. Not even Father Pete could save him.

As for Geno. I don't see Seattle moving on from him. But, I could see Seattle drafting a QB in the 2nd frame or trading back and late 1st. It's not a great QB class, but there could be some guys there.

Geno still threw for 4,300 yards and a 70% completion rate which only 4 other starting QBs did (3 if you combine those - Burrow, Goff, and Mayfield). He basically did that prior to this game. The Rams did rest players, but they did throw starters out there on defense - on pass rush downs, which we all know is almost every down with Grubb lol.

I get so frustrated with Geno because he'll at times make amazing plays (the spin move yesterday and launch to DK for the TD was amazing) and then other times just a "WTF were you thinking?" It didn't help he had a horrible running game this year and a makeshift OL.

I would like a competent OC in here so I'm all for moving on from Grubb. If Schneider blows another free agency, I have to imagine he's on the hotseat. I in no way want to cut Mac but yesterday's performance was again kind of a step backwards. The Rams hung 400+ on you without really any of their key offense in. WTH? Again, we can't cover a RB flat option or screen to save our lives. It's like we don't even account for them. And everyone knows that's Jimmy Gaporlrorlrol's game. Check down junkie. He's not going to launch deep or throw high risk passes in the seam much. He never has.

 

[JMR]

Tyler could be cut and then prob. just resigned for a 1 year $3M deal or something if he wants to play. His cap hit next year is a staggering $31M but only a dead cap of $4M... so yah. I doubt they'd restructure and keep kicking the can down the road, makes no sense. And his free agent interest will be very little.

That seems reasonable. There's no doubt he's getting cut. His role has diminished in each of the last couple seasons, but he could still contribute as a role player here and there. And of course he has some value helping the younger guys learn the ropes. And if we are able to pull off a DK trade, I am not sure it is wise to go into next season with Jake Bobo as your 2nd most proven WR.

At a cost of $7M (dead + new deal) I'd be fine bringing him back, since I'm not sure DK is going to be kept around. It's a deep WR class and he's had a few nagging injuries to the knee not to mention his hot head mentality he hasn't grown out of. Not even Father Pete could save him.

DK is supremely talented, but I feel he should be more than what he is by now. Year 6. He's a rung or 2 down on the WR ladder from Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, though he's just as physically talented as those dudes and maybe more. It might make sense to pay him what it takes to keep him around on another contract if we had an upper tier QB on his rookie deal, but that's not our situation. I would trade him for whatever I could get, then take that piece of the salary cap pie and upgrade the IOL, re-sign EJ, etc.

As for Geno. I don't see Seattle moving on from him. But, I could see Seattle drafting a QB in the 2nd frame or trading back and late 1st. It's not a great QB class, but there could be some guys there.

Geno still threw for 4,300 yards and a 70% completion rate which only 4 other starting QBs did (3 if you combine those - Burrow, Goff, and Mayfield). He basically did that prior to this game. The Rams did rest players, but they did throw starters out there on defense - on pass rush downs, which we all know is almost every down with Grubb lol.

I get so frustrated with Geno because he'll at times make amazing plays (the spin move yesterday and launch to DK for the TD was amazing) and then other times just a "WTF were you thinking?" It didn't help he had a horrible running game this year and a makeshift OL.

It's about the pressure, both in terms of the physical pressure of dudes in his face and then also the amount of pressure that comes from being in game situations where he has to take on more than what suits his talent. We have seen over and over both sides of this in the last 3 years. You put some decent protection around him, and he will play well. He won't be perfect, but 3 straight years of right around 70% completion rate and 4k yards is not an accident. On the other hand, he will absolutely make some crippling mistakes if he's constantly facing heavy rush and/or being asked to play hero ball. A better D is a help, but the OL and run game absolutely must improve.

I would like a competent OC in here so I'm all for moving on from Grubb. If Schneider blows another free agency, I have to imagine he's on the hotseat. I in no way want to cut Mac but yesterday's performance was again kind of a step backwards. The Rams hung 400+ on you without really any of their key offense in. WTH? Again, we can't cover a RB flat option or screen to save our lives. It's like we don't even account for them. And everyone knows that's Jimmy Gaporlrorlrol's game. Check down junkie. He's not going to launch deep or throw high risk passes in the seam much. He never has.

I look at the performance arc of the defense a lot like the stock market or real estate. There are going to be some peaks & valleys, good days & bad, but don't let that distract from the overall trend line. This defense went in the right direction this year, even if the final game wasn't as good we have seen for most of the past 8 games.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I am perfectly fine with the team taking risks. Getting rid of Geno and hoping you hit on someone like Fields doesn't make much sense to me.

If they like Fields then they should bring him in and have him compete with Geno. Restructure Geno to get his cap hit more manageable. If not Fields, then draft someone. Hell even if they somehow were to get JJ I would still want Geno here for another year.

If Geno stays they aren't bringing in anybody to compete and that's quite obvious. Maybe they'll draft a project QB in the 5th/6th or 7th round but maybe not since Howell is still on board. Keeping Geno delays the process of moving on and that in return could be 2 lost years. The loss of 2 seasons doesn't make any sense and keeping Geno around is foolish.

 

[flyerhawk]

If Geno stays they aren't bringing in anybody to compete and that's quite obvious. Maybe they'll draft a project QB in the 5th/6th or 7th round but maybe not since Howell is still on board. Keeping Geno delays the process of moving on and that in return could be 2 lost years. The loss of 2 seasons doesn't make any sense and keeping Geno around is foolish.

And getting rid of a guy that has shown he can run the offense and replacing him with someone that is more or less an unknown is just reckless behavior.

This team was 10-7 this year. Macdonald won the most games as a first year coach in Seahawks history. Geno set a bunch of club records and is, by all accounts, well regarded by the team.

Cutting him, eating the the 13.5 million in cap hit and starting from scratch is just not smart management. Maybe if we had an early pick and this was a good draft for QBs. But we would need to cut him basically right after the Super Bowl. That would mean that we would need to go into free agency with no starting QB.

I don't think they are going to draft a QB in the 5th or 6th round. Either they will grab one on Day 1 or Day 2 or they will stick with Howell.

 

[FirebreathingMonkey]

OC Ryan Grubb, has been fired

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

And getting rid of a guy that has shown he can run the offense and replacing him with someone that is more or less an unknown is just reckless behavior.

This team was 10-7 this year. Macdonald won the most games as a first year coach in Seahawks history. Geno set a bunch of club records and is, by all accounts, well regarded by the team.

Cutting him, eating the the 13.5 million in cap hit and starting from scratch is just not smart management. Maybe if we had an early pick and this was a good draft for QBs. But we would need to cut him basically right after the Super Bowl. That would mean that we would need to go into free agency with no starting QB.

I don't think they are going to draft a QB in the 5th or 6th round. Either they will grab one on Day 1 or Day 2 or they will stick with Howell.

Throwing between the 20's Geno can do. RZ turnovers and late game mistakes he's a deer in headlights and has costed us games. Basically throwing Geno out there next year regardless of how many records he's broken leads right back to 8 to 10 win season and possible squeaking in the playoffs or not. That's called a wasted year and spinning wheels. Are you afraid of a down year which is why you want Geno around to stay semi mediocre? Sometimes you have to get bad to get better.

 

[MrS]

Are you afraid of a down year which is why you want Geno around to stay semi mediocre? Sometimes you have to get bad to get better.

Yes people are unreasonably terrified of having a down year. Its like the guy with a fat ugly girlfriend afraid to hit the open market because he may be single for a while.

 

[flyerhawk]

Throwing between the 20's Geno can do. RZ turnovers and late game mistakes he's a deer in headlights and has costed us games. Basically throwing Geno out there next year regardless of how many records he's broken leads right back to 8 to 10 win season and possible squeaking in the playoffs or not. That's called a wasted year and spinning wheels. Are you afraid of a down year which is why you want Geno around to stay semi mediocre? Sometimes you have to get bad to get better.

I'm concerned about the team looking terrible and then blowing everything up. I'm even more concerned that the team will enter the doom loop that bad teams fall into of churning through QBs and Head Coaches.

Replacing Geno with some other retread of failed prospect in hopes that they will magically turn everything around just doesn't make sense to me.
The only recent example I can think of a team letting their capable starting QB walk was the Commanders and Kirk Cousins. After they left they went 6 years of non-winning football before they finally appear to have hit it with Daniels, although it remains to be seen what he will ultimately become.

Actually, now that I think about it. The Raiders let Derek Carr walk as well. That hasn't worked out too well for them either.

I don't think Geno is the reason why we only won 10 games this year. Sure if you replace Geno with Burrow we probably win 12-13 games. But we aren't getting a Joe Burrow off the street.

Interior OL
Penalties
Injuries on defense

Those were the 3 biggest reasons why we missed the playoffs. And even if we had a notably better QB than Geno, this team still wasn't going to be a serious threat to even reach the conference championship given those 3 things.

The ONLY 2 ways I think they dump Geno is A) they truly believe that Howell can be quality starter which seems hard to swallow B) they make a major trade but I can't even picture who that would be.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes people are unreasonably terrified of having a down year. Its like the guy with a fat ugly girlfriend afraid to hit the open market because he may be single for a while.

I'm not terrified. But I understand that bad teams tend to stay bad and good teams tend to stay good. I think you have a wildly optimistic view of what would happen if we had a bad year. You assume we would be in line for a top flight QB prospect but that is far from certain. A 6 win season would have given you the 9th pick in the draft for 2025.

I don't think you have a proper concern for being another team on the perpetual coaching carousel.

 

[MrS]

Replacing Geno with some other retread of failed prospect in hopes that they will magically turn everything around just doesn't make sense to me.
The only recent example I can think of a team letting their capable starting QB walk was the Commanders and Kirk Cousins. After they left they went 6 years of non-winning football before they finally appear to have hit it with Daniels, although it remains to be seen what he will ultimately become.

Actually, now that I think about it. The Raiders let Derek Carr walk as well. That hasn't worked out too well for them either.

bad ownership in washington and vegas, lucky for washington they got rid of their shitty owner.
we hd shitty ownership for the better part of a decade in 90s and improved so much with paul allen, we have no reason to believe we have dan snyder level of ownership. a losing season would not be a doom loop.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I'm concerned about the team looking terrible and then blowing everything up. I'm even more concerned that the team will enter the doom loop that bad teams fall into of churning through QBs and Head Coaches.

Replacing Geno with some other retread of failed prospect in hopes that they will magically turn everything around just doesn't make sense to me.
The only recent example I can think of a team letting their capable starting QB walk was the Commanders and Kirk Cousins. After they left they went 6 years of non-winning football before they finally appear to have hit it with Daniels, although it remains to be seen what he will ultimately become.

Actually, now that I think about it. The Raiders let Derek Carr walk as well. That hasn't worked out too well for them either.

I don't think Geno is the reason why we only won 10 games this year. Sure if you replace Geno with Burrow we probably win 12-13 games. But we aren't getting a Joe Burrow off the street.

Interior OL
Penalties
Injuries on defense

Those were the 3 biggest reasons why we missed the playoffs. And even if we had a notably better QB than Geno, this team still wasn't going to be a serious threat to even reach the conference championship given those 3 things.

The ONLY 2 ways I think they dump Geno is A) they truly believe that Howell can be quality starter which seems hard to swallow B) they make a major trade but I can't even picture who that would be.

So what it comes down to is you have zero faith in the owner/FO and coaching staff to find a suitable replacement next year and if that fails and have one of the top picks they'll fail at picking the right QB?

The team won't be blown up as this is a young team.

Do you understand why teams like the Browns/Raiders/Jets are constant failures? Bad ownership. Washington fans are lucky Snyder is gone and you can see the improvement almost over night. Solid coach in place/revamped FO/QBoF
We have a great owner that cares/we have a solid coach in place/JS has a year to improve the o-line and even he can't screw up a top pick for QB.

If your satisfied with 9 win seasons than Geno's your guy. I want a title and most of us know that Geno can not get us that.

 

[Screamin12th]

So what it comes down to is you have zero faith in the owner/FO and coaching staff to find a suitable replacement next year and if that fails and have one of the top picks they'll fail at picking the right QB?

The team won't be blown up as this is a young team.

Do you understand why teams like the Browns/Raiders/Jets are constant failures? Bad ownership. Washington fans are lucky Snyder is gone and you can see the improvement almost over night. Solid coach in place/revamped FO/QBoF
We have a great owner that cares/we have a solid coach in place/JS has a year to improve the o-line and even he can't screw up a top pick for QB.

If your satisfied with 9 win seasons than Geno's your guy. I want a title and most of us know that Geno can not get us that.

Better watch out intellegent thinking only gets you stapled with the "Geno hater" title. You know, from the morons that still have mommy wipe their ass after every shit and can't think for themselves.

I actually find it funny that .. what is it 2 or 3 people that are SO in love with a cast off never was Geno. They just blindly follow a path that leads to a team and fanbase destruction with ZERO chance of improvement. Geno wouldnt have won with the LoB defense! Home games will soon look like what San Diego home games looked like if Geno sticks around or even worse they just turn into away teams stadium ( Packers game ).

 

[flyerhawk]

So what it comes down to is you have zero faith in the owner/FO and coaching staff to find a suitable replacement next year and if that fails and have one of the top picks they'll fail at picking the right QB?

If the team winds up with a high draft pick next year, JS will be gone for sure and maybe Macdonald.

The team won't be blown up as this is a young team.

Do you understand why teams like the Browns/Raiders/Jets are constant failures? Bad ownership. Washington fans are lucky Snyder is gone and you can see the improvement almost over night. Solid coach in place/revamped FO/QBoF
We have a great owner that cares/we have a solid coach in place/JS has a year to improve the o-line and even he can't screw up a top pick for QB.

If your satisfied with 9 win seasons than Geno's your guy. I want a title and most of us know that Geno can not get us that.

I'm not satisfied with 9 win seasons. But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that some castoff from another team is going to turn us into 13 win team. That's really where the disagreement between us. You want them to take a chance on someone just to see. I don't think that is the right way to operate.

There are 52 other guys on the team that want to believe that the team is trying to win now. If they dump Geno and replace him with a castoff that is going to send bad signals to the other players.

 

[flyerhawk]

Better watch out intellegent thinking only gets you stapled with the "Geno hater" title. You know, from the morons that still have mommy wipe their ass after every shit and can't think for themselves.

It's sad that you feel a need to resort to childish namecalling. You get branded a Geno hater because you say ridiculous things in criticism of him and are incapable of giving him credit. I have never accused anyone else here of being a Geno hater, even if they want to move on from him.

I actually find it funny that .. what is it 2 or 3 people that are SO in love with a cast off never was Geno. They just blindly follow a path that leads to a team and fanbase destruction with ZERO chance of improvement. Geno wouldnt have won with the LoB defense! Home games will soon look like what San Diego home games looked like if Geno sticks around or even worse they just turn into away teams stadium ( Packers game ).

Says the guy that thinks that bringing in Kirk Cousins or Daniel Jones would be an improvement. You want to get rid of Geno and you don't really care who the team replaces with him with.

 

[MrS]

If the team winds up with a high draft pick next year, JS will be gone for sure and maybe Macdonald.

If we go 9-8 and miss the playoffs again, schneider should be gone.

 

[flyerhawk]

If we go 9-8 and miss the playoffs again, schneider should be gone.

And probably will be.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Better watch out intellegent thinking only gets you stapled with the "Geno hater" title. You know, from the morons that still have mommy wipe their ass after every shit and can't think for themselves.

I actually find it funny that .. what is it 2 or 3 people that are SO in love with a cast off never was Geno. They just blindly follow a path that leads to a team and fanbase destruction with ZERO chance of improvement. Geno wouldnt have won with the LoB defense! Home games will soon look like what San Diego home games looked like if Geno sticks around or even worse they just turn into away teams stadium ( Packers game ).

Goff is the perfect example of being coached up, FO puts weapons around him and built up the defense. Certainly didn't take long and here we sit watching them compete for a title while some are afraid of taking a different approach to get to the Lions level. Yes it might take a year or 2 but so be it cause I want to get back to that level of play.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

If the team winds up with a high draft pick next year, JS will be gone for sure and maybe Macdonald.



I'm not satisfied with 9 win seasons. But I'm not going to delude myself into thinking that some castoff from another team is going to turn us into 13 win team. That's really where the disagreement between us. You want them to take a chance on someone just to see. I don't think that is the right way to operate.

There are 52 other guys on the team that want to believe that the team is trying to win now. If they dump Geno and replace him with a castoff that is going to send bad signals to the other players.

We have no idea if JS and Mac will be history just because we get a high draft pick. Colts/Giants are staying with their guys.

Sam Darnold turned Minny into a 14 win team.
Baker Mayfield turned Tampa into division champs
Justin Fields was 5-1 till Russ came back.
Goff to Detroit

The common theme is 3 of 4 left shit organizations, found new homes and are better coached which has produced winning seasons. Saying taking a cast off and going nowhere is more or less saying you don't have any faith in Mac and the coaching staff.

 

[flyerhawk]

Goff is the perfect example of being coached up, FO puts weapons around him and built up the defense. Certainly didn't take long and here we sit watching them compete for a title while some are afraid of taking a different approach to get to the Lions level. Yes it might take a year or 2 but so be it cause I want to get back to that level of play.

They traded their QB and got back Goff plus 2 1st round picks and a 3rd. That was a pretty easy decision given their situation at the time.

It also set them up for success.

 

[flyerhawk]

We have no idea if JS and Mac will be history just because we get a high draft pick. Colts/Giants are staying with their guys.

Sam Darnold turned Minny into a 14 win team.
Baker Mayfield turned Tampa into division champs
Justin Fields was 5-1 till Russ came back.
Goff to Detroit

The common theme is 3 of 4 left shit organizations, found new homes and are better coached which has produced winning seasons. Saying taking a cast off and going nowhere is more or less saying you don't have any faith in Mac and the coaching staff.

The Bucs have the same record as we do. They just happen to be in a worse division.

Every situation is unique. Do you really think Darnold would notably better than Geno on this team?