Game Thread: Week 16: Vikings vs Seahawks:

[flyerhawk]

After spending the last couple days going through all the QB's that should be in this draft. I wouldnt mind a flier on someone in the 2nd or 3rd. sure no sure fire players but many have some spark to them. This QB draft class might not be as talented as most but the talent between the #1 guy to the #10 guy isnt as wide as it is normaly. I think we could see a few 2nd and 3rd round guys have success. By that i mean make a roster and stick around for a little. The value is there if one of them drops into the 3rd round.

It really depends on whether they see something in someone like Gabriel or Dart or Milroe. I think they should draft one of them if they think there is something there. This is especially true if they just don't see much potential in Howell.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yeah i saw him play well a few times for Washington. It looked like he could learn and get better. That was as tough a situation for a QB as any and yes he did struggle but he also showed something. Kids tough. BUT i saw him play like crap for Washington also. Do i think what we saw was who he is? No but my god it scared me enough that i might not want to find out LMAO. I saw NOTHING out there. He looked WAY WAY better in preseason thats for sure.

The WFTs have scored over a 100 points more this year compared to last year and they have played 2 fewer games this year. They have basically the same team on offense this year as last year outside swapping Howell with Daniels. I won't say that this is all because of Daniels but it's pretty clear that Howell wasn't helping that offense.

What we saw in his limited play here suggests that his biggest problem is an unwillingness to throw the football which is partly why he led the league in sacks last year.

 

[Screamin12th]

The WFTs have scored over a 100 points more this year compared to last year and they have played 2 fewer games this year. They have basically the same team on offense this year as last year outside swapping Howell with Daniels. I won't say that this is all because of Daniels but it's pretty clear that Howell wasn't helping that offense.

What we saw in his limited play here suggests that his biggest problem is an unwillingness to throw the football which is partly why he led the league in sacks last year.

So Geno's sack problem is the Oline and Howells is he takes to long? gotcha.

 

[flyerhawk]

So Geno's sack problem is the Oline and Howells is he takes to long? gotcha.

I have no idea how Howell would perform with this OL. In his limited time playing he looked VERY tentative and unwilling to throw the ball choosing, more often than not, to scramble than to throw.

None of these statements are absolutes. Howell was sacked 65 times last year. Daniels has been sacked 36 times this year. There are differences in situation. Different coaches and some changes in the line. But that is a pretty big number.

There is no question that Geno holds onto the ball too long. Do you think it is because of indecisiveness? Or is it because he's always looking for the big play? Because if it is the former, that's bad. If it is the latter then that's common among good QBs.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

While I get the attraction of tanking by some fans-early picks, however I don't think they grasp the negative effect on the team. Not only does everyone get fired, players get let go, FA won't want to sign with the Seahawks and the net lose would be greater then the benefit of drafting early. Who the hell wants to watch a team get stomped for a entire season? Nobody practically, this isn't fantasy football, folks would simply quit watching. No guarantee that early picks net us great players or the next GM knows how to put together a good roster or the next HC is worth a shit. So lets stop the tanking talk and stick with what should the next moves be for next season. Seahawks are semi desperate for a franchise QB because Geno isn't that and he's getting expensive while also having declining skills, this is the path chosen while refusing to make a move for a potential franchise QB last few years. Sort of bad luck that this draft class is lacking at QB and OL, but somehow JS has to find a way to improve on at least one of these weak spots, better if he has a answer for both. I doubt the QB problem can be fixed in 2025 so I say aim for OL improvement. Be it FA signings, trades, or hitting in the draft somehow. Having a function OL for the next QB is a must, so lets do that somehow.

 

[Screamin12th]

Do you think it is because of indecisiveness? Or is it because he's always looking for the big play? Because if it is the former, that's bad. If it is the latter then that's common among good QBs.

Good QB's don't hold onto the ball to long period. They more often than not throw it away, scramble or dump it off and live to play another down.

 

[MrS]

Not only does everyone get fired, players get let go,

Schneider needs to be fired

FA won't want to sign with the Seahawks and the net lose would be greater then the benefit of drafting early.

What big free agents have we ever signed under schneider? Honestly cant think of a single one and im too lazy to look it up right now.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Schneider needs to be fired

What big free agents have we ever signed under schneider? Honestly cant think of a single one and im too lazy to look it up right now.

Just their own for the most part, but those matter. Tanking, firing everyone, and expecting better results is not realistic IMO. I'm not a big fan of JS but would give him until the end of 2025 to get things on track. It was his decision to resign Geno, pass on investing on the QB of the future in order to round out the roster (many here agreed on that path including you). So let him reap what he sowed, give him next season and if he fails then hire a GM to draft the next franchise QB and repair the OL. Personally feel JS avoids making big moves, preferring to trade down to moving up because it's less likely to get him fired and he doesn't truly trust his own evaluations on rookie QBs and would rather draft one late then early because that's safer for job security, nobody gets unset if you miss on a QB you drafted in the 5th or even the 3rd but if you miss on one in the 1st watch out.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Yeah i saw him play well a few times for Washington. It looked like he could learn and get better. That was as tough a situation for a QB as any and yes he did struggle but he also showed something. Kids tough. BUT i saw him play like crap for Washington also. Do i think what we saw was who he is? No but my god it scared me enough that i might not want to find out LMAO. I saw NOTHING out there. He looked WAY WAY better in preseason thats for sure.

Valid point he had some bad games in DC and this is our nightmare going into next season playing QB roulette on who to bring in.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

It really depends on whether they see something in someone like Gabriel or Dart or Milroe. I think they should draft one of them if they think there is something there. This is especially true if they just don't see much potential in Howell.

Not a fan of Milroe but thankfully he should be off the board before our pick. Gabriel I believe could be the best QB in this draft but he's getting pushed down the draft because of the likes of Milroe and such. He's a much better version of Bo Nix.