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After spending the last couple days going through all the QB's that should be in this draft. I wouldnt mind a flier on someone in the 2nd or 3rd. sure no sure fire players but many have some spark to them. This QB draft class might not be as talented as most but the talent between the #1 guy to the #10 guy isnt as wide as it is normaly. I think we could see a few 2nd and 3rd round guys have success. By that i mean make a roster and stick around for a little. The value is there if one of them drops into the 3rd round.

It really depends on whether they see something in someone like Gabriel or Dart or Milroe. I think they should draft one of them if they think there is something there. This is especially true if they just don't see much potential in Howell.
 

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Yeah i saw him play well a few times for Washington. It looked like he could learn and get better. That was as tough a situation for a QB as any and yes he did struggle but he also showed something. Kids tough. BUT i saw him play like crap for Washington also. Do i think what we saw was who he is? No but my god it scared me enough that i might not want to find out LMAO. I saw NOTHING out there. He looked WAY WAY better in preseason thats for sure.

The WFTs have scored over a 100 points more this year compared to last year and they have played 2 fewer games this year. They have basically the same team on offense this year as last year outside swapping Howell with Daniels. I won't say that this is all because of Daniels but it's pretty clear that Howell wasn't helping that offense.

What we saw in his limited play here suggests that his biggest problem is an unwillingness to throw the football which is partly why he led the league in sacks last year.
 

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The WFTs have scored over a 100 points more this year compared to last year and they have played 2 fewer games this year. They have basically the same team on offense this year as last year outside swapping Howell with Daniels. I won't say that this is all because of Daniels but it's pretty clear that Howell wasn't helping that offense.

What we saw in his limited play here suggests that his biggest problem is an unwillingness to throw the football which is partly why he led the league in sacks last year.

So Geno's sack problem is the Oline and Howells is he takes to long? gotcha.
 

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So Geno's sack problem is the Oline and Howells is he takes to long? gotcha.

I have no idea how Howell would perform with this OL. In his limited time playing he looked VERY tentative and unwilling to throw the ball choosing, more often than not, to scramble than to throw.

None of these statements are absolutes. Howell was sacked 65 times last year. Daniels has been sacked 36 times this year. There are differences in situation. Different coaches and some changes in the line. But that is a pretty big number.

There is no question that Geno holds onto the ball too long. Do you think it is because of indecisiveness? Or is it because he's always looking for the big play? Because if it is the former, that's bad. If it is the latter then that's common among good QBs.
 

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While I get the attraction of tanking by some fans-early picks, however I don't think they grasp the negative effect on the team. Not only does everyone get fired, players get let go, FA won't want to sign with the Seahawks and the net lose would be greater then the benefit of drafting early. Who the hell wants to watch a team get stomped for a entire season? Nobody practically, this isn't fantasy football, folks would simply quit watching. No guarantee that early picks net us great players or the next GM knows how to put together a good roster or the next HC is worth a shit. So lets stop the tanking talk and stick with what should the next moves be for next season. Seahawks are semi desperate for a franchise QB because Geno isn't that and he's getting expensive while also having declining skills, this is the path chosen while refusing to make a move for a potential franchise QB last few years. Sort of bad luck that this draft class is lacking at QB and OL, but somehow JS has to find a way to improve on at least one of these weak spots, better if he has a answer for both. I doubt the QB problem can be fixed in 2025 so I say aim for OL improvement. Be it FA signings, trades, or hitting in the draft somehow. Having a function OL for the next QB is a must, so lets do that somehow.
 

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Do you think it is because of indecisiveness? Or is it because he's always looking for the big play? Because if it is the former, that's bad. If it is the latter then that's common among good QBs.

Good QB's don't hold onto the ball to long period. They more often than not throw it away, scramble or dump it off and live to play another down.
 
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Not only does everyone get fired, players get let go,
Schneider needs to be fired
FA won't want to sign with the Seahawks and the net lose would be greater then the benefit of drafting early.
What big free agents have we ever signed under schneider? Honestly cant think of a single one and im too lazy to look it up right now.
 

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Schneider needs to be fired

What big free agents have we ever signed under schneider? Honestly cant think of a single one and im too lazy to look it up right now.
Just their own for the most part, but those matter. Tanking, firing everyone, and expecting better results is not realistic IMO. I'm not a big fan of JS but would give him until the end of 2025 to get things on track. It was his decision to resign Geno, pass on investing on the QB of the future in order to round out the roster (many here agreed on that path including you). So let him reap what he sowed, give him next season and if he fails then hire a GM to draft the next franchise QB and repair the OL. Personally feel JS avoids making big moves, preferring to trade down to moving up because it's less likely to get him fired and he doesn't truly trust his own evaluations on rookie QBs and would rather draft one late then early because that's safer for job security, nobody gets unset if you miss on a QB you drafted in the 5th or even the 3rd but if you miss on one in the 1st watch out.
 

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Yeah i saw him play well a few times for Washington. It looked like he could learn and get better. That was as tough a situation for a QB as any and yes he did struggle but he also showed something. Kids tough. BUT i saw him play like crap for Washington also. Do i think what we saw was who he is? No but my god it scared me enough that i might not want to find out LMAO. I saw NOTHING out there. He looked WAY WAY better in preseason thats for sure.
Valid point he had some bad games in DC and this is our nightmare going into next season playing QB roulette on who to bring in.
 

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It really depends on whether they see something in someone like Gabriel or Dart or Milroe. I think they should draft one of them if they think there is something there. This is especially true if they just don't see much potential in Howell.
Not a fan of Milroe but thankfully he should be off the board before our pick. Gabriel I believe could be the best QB in this draft but he's getting pushed down the draft because of the likes of Milroe and such. He's a much better version of Bo Nix.
 

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If thats how they think then we do need to move on. Can't be afraid to take chances. Fans will not be happy with 9-8 seasons one after another for a decade. As we have seen all ready with the Greenbay game they would rather sell their tickets than watch this shit show.

Sometimes you gotta take steps back to go forward as you build things up, I’d accept a couple crap seasons to stock up the talent on this team instead of .500 ball for the next 4-5 years and no top picks … The Russ trade helped us out tremendously rebuilding after the debacle of a trade for Jamal Adams, which could have set us back massively if not for the Denver picks… That was seriously the worst trade in Seahawks history giving up what we did for Jamal… I’d be totally ok giving a young QB a shot next season and if he sucks so be it, keep searching and building up the talent level on this team and then hopefully we find that guy at QB …
 

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While I get the attraction of tanking by some fans-early picks, however I don't think they grasp the negative effect on the team. Not only does everyone get fired, players get let go, FA won't want to sign with the Seahawks and the net lose would be greater then the benefit of drafting early. Who the hell wants to watch a team get stomped for an entire season? Nobody practically, this isn't fantasy football, folks would simply quit watching. No guarantee that early picks net us great players or the next GM knows how to put together a good roster or the next HC is worth a shit. So lets stop the tanking talk and stick with what should the next moves be for next season. Seahawks are semi desperate for a franchise QB because Geno isn't that and he's getting expensive while also having declining skills, this is the path chosen while refusing to make a move for a potential franchise QB last few years. Sort of bad luck that this draft class is lacking at QB and OL, but somehow JS has to find a way to improve on at least one of these weak spots, better if he has a answer for both. I doubt the QB problem can be fixed in 2025 so I say aim for OL improvement. Be it FA signings, trades, or hitting in the draft somehow. Having a function OL for the next QB is a must, so lets do that somehow.
That’s true with bad seasons, people do lose jobs, just part of the business .. I do hope they move on from Geno though, we know what he brings, ok play at times, can keep us around .500 ball, has good moments, then craps the bed .. Even if we start a younger inexperienced QB I’m totally cool with it next season..
 

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That’s true with bad seasons, people do lose jobs, just part of the business .. I do hope they move on from Geno though, we know what he brings, ok play at times, can keep us around .500 ball, has good moments, then craps the bed .. Even if we start a younger inexperienced QB I’m totally cool with it next season..
They should of addressed the QB position with one of the earlier drafts that had good prospects at the position, but they didn't. 2025 draft isn't loaded with good QBs and a bunch of teams that need QBs draft at or near the top of the draft. 2026 hopefully has a better crop of QBs and fewer teams in need of one drafting ahead of the Seahawks. Seahawks don't even have a full slate of picks either. Think trying to improve the OL in 2025 is a better way to proceed, then go all in for a QB in 2026 (if necessary to land the player you want). For one thing it would give the rookie a better chance to succeed and a better pool to choose from at QB. Seahawks just aren't going to have a good QB in 2025, that's the choice made when they passed on filling the position to fill holes on the roster. Fact is JS over estimated the roster and thought the Seahawks were close, but they weren't that close obviously. The roster always keeps churning in the NFL, contracts run out and resigning them gets costly, players get injured, players decline. However land a franchise QB, you keep him on the roster for a decade and build around him best you can. Yeah you can win without a franchise QB but the odds go against you to succeed and yeah the QB you draft could be a bust, but then you keep trying until you land one.
Seahawks tried the "make do" at QB and build a great roster to carry him method. Now the talk is Lockett needs to be cut, trade Metcalf , trade Walker, oh yeah cut Geno plus some others. What brilliant plan JS had, go with Geno in order to build a great roster.:rolleyes2:
I don't feel the Seahawks should try to turn water into wine drafting a sub par QB at pick 20 or where ever the Seahawks end up drafting.
 

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They should of addressed the QB position with one of the earlier drafts that had good prospects at the position, but they didn't. 2025 draft isn't loaded with good QBs and a bunch of teams that need QBs draft at or near the top of the draft. 2026 hopefully has a better crop of QBs and fewer teams in need of one drafting ahead of the Seahawks. Seahawks don't even have a full slate of picks either. Think trying to improve the OL in 2025 is a better way to proceed, then go all in for a QB in 2026 (if necessary to land the player you want). For one thing it would give the rookie a better chance to succeed and a better pool to choose from at QB. Seahawks just aren't going to have a good QB in 2025, that's the choice made when they passed on filling the position to fill holes on the roster. Fact is JS over estimated the roster and thought the Seahawks were close, but they weren't that close obviously. The roster always keeps churning in the NFL, contracts run out and resigning them gets costly, players get injured, players decline. However land a franchise QB, you keep him on the roster for a decade and build around him best you can. Yeah you can win without a franchise QB but the odds go against you to succeed and yeah the QB you draft could be a bust, but then you keep trying until you land one.
Seahawks tried the "make do" at QB and build a great roster to carry him method. Now the talk is Lockett needs to be cut, trade Metcalf , trade Walker, oh yeah cut Geno plus some others. What brilliant plan JS had, go with Geno in order to build a great roster.:rolleyes2:
I don't feel the Seahawks should try to turn water into wine drafting a sub par QB at pick 20 or where ever the Seahawks end up drafting.
Last year would have been the only year to move up and draft a QB. The year Stroud was drafted Pete was never going to move up since he was committed to Geno. Next draft if the QB I hope falls I hope they jump on that.
 

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Last year would have been the only year to move up and draft a QB. The year Stroud was drafted Pete was never going to move up since he was committed to Geno. Next draft if the QB I hope falls I hope they jump on that.

I think it would have been tough for the Hawks to move up to a spot to get Penix or McCarthy given they had no 2nd rounder. So now you are talking trading the 1st, 3rd, and this year's 2nd at the very least to get into a spot to draft one of those guys. I don't think the Seahawks were willing to do that.

I don't know if anyone else remembers but JS and Mac were both pretty noncommittal about Geno early in the offseason. They were saying things like "Geno is expected to be the starter next year" and other such comments that were far from full throated endorsements of Geno.

Then they announced the trade for Howell and they were completely on board with Geno. My guess is that there were looking for a way to trade up to get one of the QBs in this draft and there just wasn't any path to do so. I have no idea who the QB was. Maybe it was Daniels or Maye and it was always a pipe dream. Maybe it was Penix and they weren't willing to pay the price.
 

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I don't know if anyone else remembers but JS and Mac were both pretty noncommittal about Geno early in the offseason.
They seemed to be wooing Lock to resign, mentioning him more then Geno. When Lock signed else where THEN they started backing Geno again. Trading for Howell , they were clear about Geno being the starter ( while with Lock they left it in the air). Don't know if JS inquired about moving up, didn't hear a word hinting he had that in mind. Moving down has always been more JS style in the first round and had no reason (other then my own wishful thinking) to think he considered making a move for a QB, had Geno under contract, traded draft capitol for a back up, so it seemed JS felt that position was taken care of for 2024 season.
 

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They seemed to be wooing Lock to resign, mentioning him more then Geno. When Lock signed else where THEN they started backing Geno again. Trading for Howell , they were clear about Geno being the starter ( while with Lock they left it in the air). Don't know if JS inquired about moving up, didn't hear a word hinting he had that in mind. Moving down has always been more JS style in the first round and had no reason (other then my own wishful thinking) to think he considered making a move for a QB, had Geno under contract, traded draft capitol for a back up, so it seemed JS felt that position was taken care of for 2024 season.

Certainly once they traded for Howell, it was pretty much settled.
 

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they won 9 games with a first year coach, does anyone really believe they arent going to run it back as best as they can? itll mostly be the same roster and coaches we have right now.
round 1 draft a LB.
round 2 draft a WR to replace lockett.
another 9-8 year to look forward to.
thats my prediction as it stands right now.
 

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they won 9 games with a first year coach, does anyone really believe they arent going to run it back as best as they can? itll mostly be the same roster and coaches we have right now.
round 1 draft a LB.
round 2 draft a WR to replace lockett.
another 9-8 year to look forward to.
thats my prediction as it stands right now.

I think that Macdonald is 37 years old and is going to want to build an actual contender.

Schneider is going to have a lot of pressure on him to fix the OL. IMO, he will need to invest real money into the interior line.

I think there is a very real chance that they trade Metcalf especially if they can find someone willing to give up a 2nd round pick for him.

If you are thinking they are just going to tear it down root and branch that is completely unrealistic. I am far more optimistic about this team now than I was at this time last year. The defense made a DRAMATIC turnaround this year. I think we had a very nice draft with Murphy, Barner and Knight. Laumea could be a decent backup as well. We also have a DPOY level player in Leonard Williams for the next couple of years.

They HAVE to fix the OL. In particular the run blocking especially on short yardage plays.
 

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I think that Macdonald is 37 years old and is going to want to build an actual contender.
of course, but macdonald isnt in charge of the roster.
Schneider is going to have a lot of pressure on him to fix the OL. IMO, he will need to invest real money into the interior line.
why would they suddenly spend money on OL when their MO has been signing washed up guys for cheap and trading away good ones? its been an ongoing problem going on 15 years and the strategy has not changed.
I think there is a very real chance that they trade Metcalf especially if they can find someone willing to give up a 2nd round pick for him.
thats what they should do, but i will be mildly surprised if that happens.
If you are thinking they are just going to tear it down root and branch that is completely unrealistic. I am far more optimistic about this team now than I was at this time last year. The defense made a DRAMATIC turnaround this year. I think we had a very nice draft with Murphy, Barner and Knight. Laumea could be a decent backup as well. We also have a DPOY level player in Leonard Williams for the next couple of years.
i dont think they will tear it down, clearly thats not what i predicted in my post. i think thats what they SHOULD do with the front office. i really dont think schneider sees what we see, i think he feels like they are in a good place and the OL is perfectly fine the way it is.
They HAVE to fix the OL. In particular the run blocking especially on short yardage plays.
absolutely they have to if they want to succeed. that means backing up the brinks truck for trey smith and drafting OL in round 1 or 2. do you really think thats what schneider will do though?
 
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