Game Thread: Week 16: Vikings vs Seahawks:

[Anointed One]

so if we tank one season we will be the browns?

Tanking pisses me off as a fan... Especially when other fans hope their team "Tanks" a season... I just don't understand that logic... You think those players on the field are going to feel the same way as you do? No... They're playing for their paychecks... They're playing to "stay" in the NFL... They're playing to get a promotion /raise... To sit here and insist that a team "Tanks" is one of the most disrespectful thing someone can say about an athlete imo... I've played competitive sports all my life football, baseball, basketball and I still play baseball at 55 yrs old... I just had knee surgery last week because I ran hard into 3B in a 1 run game... .I was "SAFE" so it was worth it.. Wife was pissed but oh well ... The Pinch runner I had go in for me scored the tying run and we ended up winning the game... I'm as competitive as they come so that just hits a nerve when I here fans talk about their team "tanking"...

How's it working out for Miami?

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Going 3-14 would be more depressing.

Not on draft day !!

 

[Screamin12th]

I would hate to tank but being stuck in this .500 rut is also VERY depressing. 7-10, 9-8, 9-8 and another 9-8 maybe if we are lucky 10-7 season this year. If you cheer for Geno you are happy with .500. It really IS that simple. something has to change to change our fortune or in 2025 we will see another 9-8 season and 2026 another 9-8 season or worse with Geno.

 

[blstoker]

from 1978-1988 the Hawks were in 1st or 2nd 6 times and in that span went to the playoffs 4 times. Thats not average or Less than average and not close to bad. From 1989-1997 they were 4th or worse 6 times. ( 5 team division ) That was the bad years. The Hawks were the most successful expansion franchise ever before they changed how expansion worked helping teams out HUGELY. The team was 14 -34 under Flores. From 1978 to 1988 the Hawks had winning seasons in 7 of those years.. again thats not average. I think most here were to young to remember the 1976-1988 season but not me. I may have been young but i was playing football as soon as i went to grade school ( 5 years old ) so football became important to me.

A average team doesnt make the playoffs ( normally ), a Average team doesnt have winning seasons ( Above .500 ) they are .500 at best.

People misunderstand the 90s. Even with a bad owner, there was only 3 years of bottom of the league play. Longest in team history, but not really "Browns" or "Jets" level of ineptitude. Then they hung around 7-9 to 9-7 for 7 of the next 8 seasons, kind've exactly where they are now. The Browns haven't had less then 6 10 loss seasons in any 10-year stretch since 1999. The Jets have had a 10-loss season in 8 of their last 9 and only 1 winning season in 14. Seattle's never been at that level - but are looking at their 4th straight season with 7 to 9 wins, the range they've been in for half of their existence.

I get flyerhawk's acceptance of 9–10-win results with the outside chance of an Eli Manning- like run to a Super Bowl being preferable to taking the gamble of switching to an unproven commodity that could potentially slam the door on the golden age of Seahawks football if it doesn't work out. Geno is good enough to be able to lead the team to 9-10 wins while potentially being able to put together a run that could sneak the Hawks into the Super Bowl. But Geno's window being able to do that is closing, and the team will be forced to make the change or that door will close anyway.

 

[MrS]

Dude... You want to fire people and start over it seems every year... You can't run a good business model using that logic...

ok if the NFL is just a business and making money is the only purpose then sure go 9-8 every year and tease the fanbase with playoffs.
be the mariners.

Tanking pisses me off as a fan... Especially when other fans hope their team "Tanks" a season... I just don't understand that logic... You think those players on the field are going to feel the same way as you do? No... They're playing for their paychecks... They're playing to "stay" in the NFL... They're playing to get a promotion /raise... To sit here and insist that a team "Tanks" is one of the most disrespectful thing someone can say about an athlete imo...

spare me dude, im a fucking fan i can feel however the fuck i want. the players get paid millions i honestly dont give two shits about their feelings and neither should you. i want my team to win superbowls and i want an elite QB and having a losing season is the shortest route.

How's it working out for Miami?

they picked the wrong QB.

I would hate to tank but being stuck in this .500 rut is also VERY depressing. 7-10, 9-8, 9-8 and another 9-8 maybe if we are lucky 10-7 season this year. If you cheer for Geno you are happy with .500. It really IS that simple. something has to change to change our fortune or in 2025 we will see another 9-8 season and 2026 another 9-8 season or worse with Geno.

give me a tank year with the promise of future success over 9-8 every year.
paul allen felt the same way, its why he fired dennis errickson after three 8-8 seasons. im sure they could have kept erickson and gone 8-8 every single year if they wanted to. its also why he fired mora after one year and got pete carroll.
jody needs to nut up, wipe the slate clean, and make a huge splash hiring.
nothing against macdonaldd, but this just isnt going to work.

 

[flyerhawk]

give me a tank year with the promise of future success over 9-8 every year.
paul allen felt the same way, its why he fired dennis errickson after three 8-8 seasons. im sure they could have kept erickson and gone 8-8 every single year if they wanted to. its also why he fired mora after one year and got pete carroll.
jody needs to nut up, wipe the slate clean, and make a huge splash hiring.
nothing against macdonaldd, but this just isnt going to work.

LOL. So you are ready to fire MacDonald as well?

 

[Screamin12th]

LOL. So you are ready to fire MacDonald as well?

I dont think thats what he means. Keeping everything status quo will continue giving you the same results. Doing the samething over and over and expecting a different result is insanity. Throwing Geno out there year after year thinking its going to get better is insane. BIG moves need to be made. Not band-aids. Can't be out there scared to make moves for fear of failing.

 

[flyerhawk]

I dont thinkl thats what he means. Keeping everything status quo will continue giving you the same results.

Expecting John Schneider, or anyone really, to do things to undermine their own job is pretty silly.

 

[Screamin12th]

Expecting John Schneider, or anyone really, to do things to undermine their own job is pretty silly.

If thats how they think then we do need to move on. Can't be afraid to take chances. Fans will not be happy with 9-8 seasons one after another for a decade. As we have seen all ready with the Greenbay game they would rather sell their tickets than watch this shit show.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

He wants Geno over any other option. I do not understand his devotion to a QB like Geno.

I wouldn't mind Fields for a couple years. He played very well in his starts this year and out played Geno. Like it or not he would be a upgrade lol. Geno will continue to decline. If Geno was on the Giants, Browns or Raiders he would be a 9 TD 20 INT guy right now. If you are going to ride with a guy it might as well be someone with a little "Up side" to them and possible returned capital when you move on to your QBoF. Geno has ZERO value in that area. In his 6 stats he had 5 of them with OVER a 91 rating! Thats VERY good.

We all know Fields was benched when Russ returned from injury.

6 games started Fields had 10 total TDs. 5 pass/5 running with 1 int and a couple of fumbles lost. Take that over the next 11 games could be in the 28 to 32 total TD's range. Int's would a tad higher and fumbles would be a tick higher. Like I said, I don't love Fields but under a different coaching staff that knows how to coach up players he looked and played better than he did in Chicago. The rest of the FA's are meh and no I don't want to throw a bag of money at Cousins since he's toast.

The other thing is I defended Geno as much as possible. Not every loss was on him. We've sucked on defense, our o-line is shit and last year Pete and company looked finished. This year it's almost impossible to defend his Redzone turnovers and that GB int was down right hideous. It's time to move on.

 

[MrS]

LOL. So you are ready to fire MacDonald as well?

if jody wants to fire schneider and keep macdonald im fine with that, but i feel like thats almost impossible and whoever they bring in will want their own coach.

BIG moves need to be made. Not band-aids. Can't be out there scared to make moves for fear of failing.

exactly, this franchise made superbowls on the back of BIG FUCKING MOVES not stand pat seattle mariners bullshit.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

What is the point of replacing a stopgap with another stopgap. I don't understand that logic.



I think it would be borderling incompetent for the Seahawks to get rid of Geno and have Howell and some developmental QB compete for a job. It would show a complete lack of seriousness by the team.

Keeping your players happy is more important than keeping your fans happy. Completely punting on your QB position is a good way to lose your team.

Fields is younger with possible upside while Geno as hit his mark and isn't going to get any better. Tomlin found a way to make Fields productive in his 6 games. If you have faith in our coaches than maybe we get a year or two semi productive football on the cheap while searching for our QBoF whether it's in this years draft or 2026. I know we need massive line help but if Dillion Gabriel is there for the taking, they better draft him. That kid has the skills to be a really good QB.

Atlanta benched Cousins for Penix in the middle of a playoff race. Players probably loved Cousins since it seems like he's a descent guy but players want to play in the playoffs for that chance at a SB plus bonuses if it's in their contracts. If Geno comes back and plays the same next year and misses the playoffs for the third straight year while SF/LA take the division again, do you honestly think the players will be happy? Do you honestly think watching Geno throw games away they'll be happy? Not making a move to put the team in a better position is what causes the coaches to lose the locker room and their jobs. Moving on from Geno isn't losing a locker room. Keeping Geno and missing the playoffs can and will lose a locker room.

 

[Screamin12th]

We all know Fields was benched when Russ returned from injury.

6 games started Fields had 10 total TDs. 5 pass/5 running with 1 int and a couple of fumbles lost. Take that over the next 11 games could be in the 28 to 32 total TD's range. Int's would a tad higher and fumbles would be a tick higher. Like I said, I don't love Fields but under a different coaching staff that knows how to coach up players he looked and played better than he did in Chicago. The rest of the FA's are meh and no I don't want to throw a bag of money at Cousins since he's toast.

The other thing is I defended Geno as much as possible. Not every loss was on him. We've sucked on defense, our o-line is shit and last year Pete and company looked finished. This year it's almost impossible to defend his Redzone turnovers and that GB int was down right hideous. It's time to move on.

No not every loss was on Geno but most of the loses he had a hand in with BAD turnovers. Lets not just gloss over the fact he has thrown only 17 TD this season to 15 INT's With Metcalf, JSN and Lockett out there. In WHAT WORLD is that even remotely ok? I watched a sports pod cast just like a week ago and they brought up this fact and stated. " You know you can't put all the blame on Geno but he doesnt escape the blame either with the production vs the weapons he has." " His play has not been good and has hurt the team more than helped this year" I think it was the SI guys. They also brought up how he takes to many sacks that no QB should take and his lack of focus in games at the most crucial moments. Also talked about how 1 throw he could look like the best thing ever only to have 3 or 4 plays in a row leaving you there scratching your head.

Geno would make a VERY good back-up. That is a reason i wanted to see Lock play more and .. well i wanted to see Howell play more but that first showing scared me to much HAHA. I saw NOTHING that looked remotely passable from him. To be fair he came in cold but yikes.

I think getting a mobile QB that can take a hit, try it out there, it would improve the running game and maybe it opens up a more controlled passing game that someone like Fields could command. Don't make him do to much, play him just like how they played Russell Wilson his first season. A game manager.

 

[MrS]

Also talked about how 1 throw he could look like the best thing ever only to have 3 or 4 plays in a row leaving you there scratching your head.

this is geno wrapped up in one sentence

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

No not every loss was on Geno but most of the loses he had a hand in with BAD turnovers. Lets not just gloss over the fact he has thrown only 17 TD this season to 15 INT's With Metcalf, JSN and Lockett out there. In WHAT WORLD is that even remotely ok? I watched a sports pod cast just like a week ago and they brought up this fact and stated. " You know you can't put all the blame on Geno but he doesnt escape the blame either with the production vs the weapons he has." " His play has not been good and has hurt the team more than helped this year" I think it was the SI guys. They also brought up how he takes to many sacks that no QB should take and his lack of focus in games at the most crucial moments. Also talked about how 1 throw he could look like the best thing ever only to have 3 or 4 plays in a row leaving you there scratching your head.

Geno would make a VERY good back-up. That is a reason i wanted to see Lock play more and .. well i wanted to see Howell play more but that first showing scared me to much HAHA. I saw NOTHING that looked remotely passable from him. To be fair he came in cold but yikes.

17TDs to 15Ints his horrendous which is why I put Fields possible total numbers at 28 to 32 for his last 11 games combined with the 6 he started.
Geno's probably a good dude but he's not the QB we need moving forward to 2025.

Yes Howell looked like utter trash but I've seen those glimpses of him looking like an above average QB that can play. That Washington team under Rivera had very very very little to no talent on that offense and he was able to move the ball more times than I thought he could with crap surrounding him. If he's the plan for 2025 and continue to build our lines through the draft this year, I'm fine with it. He gets a full off-season with DK and JSN plus Walker and Charbs. If he bombs than we're in position for a top pick but if he looks descent and gets them to the playoffs than the hardest part is what type of contract does he deserve.

 

[Screamin12th]

After spending the last couple days going through all the QB's that should be in this draft. I wouldnt mind a flier on someone in the 2nd or 3rd. sure no sure fire players but many have some spark to them. This QB draft class might not be as talented as most but the talent between the #1 guy to the #10 guy isnt as wide as it is normaly. I think we could see a few 2nd and 3rd round guys have success. By that i mean make a roster and stick around for a little. The value is there if one of them drops into the 3rd round.

 

[Screamin12th]

17TDs to 15Ints his horrendous which is why I put Fields possible total numbers at 28 to 32 for his last 11 games combined with the 6 he started.
Geno's probably a good dude but he's not the QB we need moving forward to 2025.

Yes Howell looked like utter trash but I've seen those glimpses of him looking like an above average QB that can play. That Washington team under Rivera had very very very little to no talent on that offense and he was able to move the ball more times than I thought he could with crap surrounding him. If he's the plan for 2025 and continue to build our lines through the draft this year, I'm fine with it. He gets a full off-season with DK and JSN plus Walker and Charbs. If he bombs than we're in position for a top pick but if he looks descent and gets them to the playoffs than the hardest part is what type of contract does he deserve.

Yeah i saw him play well a few times for Washington. It looked like he could learn and get better. That was as tough a situation for a QB as any and yes he did struggle but he also showed something. Kids tough. BUT i saw him play like crap for Washington also. Do i think what we saw was who he is? No but my god it scared me enough that i might not want to find out LMAO. I saw NOTHING out there. He looked WAY WAY better in preseason thats for sure.