Game Thread: Week 16: Vikings vs Seahawks:

[flyerhawk]

In real money, he's due $28M. The additional $10M cap hit is the prorated SB. I realize you probably already know that, just throwing it out there for clarification. If we do re-structure to keep him here 1 or 2 more years, it might be the "safe" play with no other better options readily available, but I also feel we are just kicking the can down the road if we do that.

I don't think that keeping Geno for another year or 2 precludes us from looking for the QB of the future.

We shouldn't shift our opinion a whole lot on Howell based on being thrown into the game cold. It was also a game where we were clearly outmatched nearly everywhere on the field. He certainly might not be any kind of answer at QB. Might not even be an upgrade over Geno. But I wanna see a normal game situation a few times with this team before making that call.

It's not that my opinion has changed all that much. We got him for basically a couple of pick swaps. So clearly the league looked at him as a middle of the road guy. He's still young but ultimately I don't know if we want the Hawks to be the team that gives him the OJT needed to potentially become a competent QB.

How long will it take to fix the OL? 2 more years? If that's the case, we're in the window now to find the long term QB. By the time the OL is average, the QB will be ready to go. If we wait to get the QB until the OL is better, we'll then be waiting again for the QB to grow into their skin in the NFL. I am not going to squabble over names, but it's time to get aggressive on finding a long term QB.

I'm ok with being aggressive to a point but what would being aggressive even entail in this offseason? It's a 2 QB draft and we have no chance of moving up to get either of Ward or Sanders. So after that it's a project QB or JS pulls a rabbit out of the hat with a trade of some sort.

 

[Anointed One]

Regards to not utilizing play action as an option in our offense while forcing Geno to have to carry the load each game, I think Brock sums it up well...

“The whole burden is on him (Geno),” Huard said. “They can’t find consistent push (up front). … The run game just does not get in any way established with any rhythm to set up the play-action and slow (the Vikings) down. Instead, all 43 of those passes are largely leverage plays where he’s (Geno) gotta produce.

“I think when you put the whole burden of responsibility offensively on him and ask him as a hobbled guy to carry you versus a 12-2 team, you’re not going to win

 

[Screamin12th]

Regards to not utilizing play action as an option in our offense while forcing Geno to have to carry the load each game, I think Brock sums it up well...

Geno couldnt carry the Hawks to a win over the lowley 2 win Giants. Geno CANT carry a team and when you lean on him to much he breaks.

I 100% believe there is a rookie QB out there that will be drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round that will be better or at least the same as Geno with the ability to improve. Something Geno doesnt have the ability to do. Thing is I don't know who that guy is and i doubt JS does also LMAO!

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

No way we pay him $38 million next year. I imagine he will restructure, get another year with maybe a voidable.

I won't say I'm completely out on Howell but he certainly didn't show any sort of poise or confidence in his limited playing time.

As for drafting a QB, there aren't a lot of great options there either. Milroe, Ewers, and Gabriel all carry big question marks. I'm fine with drafting one if they think they can make it work but it would definitely be more of a project that almost guarantee 2 more years of Geno.

2 more years of Geno would be depressing .. LoL

 

[Screamin12th]

Could be Beck, could be Klubnik. Maybe Leonard or Daniels. Maybe Howard or Drones. There is also Smith and Van Dyke. These are some of the QB's that will be outside of the 1st and 2nd rounds and some of them have talent. One of these guys will be better than Geno and maybe even more than 1.

 

[MKHawk]

Beck murdered his draft stock this year so he should be available in the late rounds, but he'd be replacing Howell, not Geno.

Klubnik could be interesting, but I'm pretty sure he's not coming out this year.

Leonard is garbage unless you're planning to adopt the veer on offense.

 

[Screamin12th]

2 more years of Geno would be depressing .. LoL

2 more years of Geno would be more than depressing. He is good enough to keep us around .500 so good enough to keep us picking in that 18-22 range not giving us a chance to get a top flight player.

 

[Screamin12th]

Beck murdered his draft stock this year so he should be available in the late rounds, but he'd be replacing Howell, not Geno.

Klubnik could be interesting, but I'm pretty sure he's not coming out this year.

Leonard is garbage unless you're planning to adopt the veer on offense.

I was just naming some later round QB's based off projected value. I would like Klubnik myself but this kid needs to stay in college because he could be a 1st round pick in 2026. If for some reason he decided to enter the draft i would want him over any of the QB's. That list i made was just QB's that would be out there later that might end up better than Geno. Not like Geno has done really ANYTHING in the NFL. He did win comeback player of the year which is normally given to someone that was injured not someone that just SUCKED ASS! LMAO!

 

[ducky]

Beck murdered his draft stock this year so he should be available in the late rounds, but he'd be replacing Howell, not Geno.

Klubnik could be interesting, but I'm pretty sure he's not coming out this year.

Leonard is garbage unless you're planning to adopt the veer on offense.

The only two QB's that didnt kill their draft stock this year are Sanders and Cam Ward.

That actually makes this the year to throw out a later round pick for hopefully a backup QB and maybe a Brock Purdy.

The most underrated player in the draft to me right now is Jaxson Dart. Might not even get drafted. Yet he was the best QB in the SEC this year. I still cant figure out why the internet scouts dislike him so much.

 

[Screamin12th]

The only two QB's that didnt kill their draft stock this year are Sanders and Cam Ward.

That actually makes this the year to throw out a later round pick for hopefully a backup QB and maybe a Brock Purdy.

The most underrated player in the draft to me right now is Jaxson Dart. Might not even get drafted. Yet he was the best QB in the SEC this year. I still cant figure out why the internet scouts dislike him so much.

Is being ranked 7th overall ( QB's ) really that bad? I was naming QB's in that 10-20 range. I can't see Dart NOT getting drafted. I think Dart goes somewhere around the 3rd round ( 2nd-4th rounds ). If he is there in the 7th and the Hawks dont take him thats just a bad joke.

 

[MrS]

Start Howell and tank for 2026 Qbs which will be light years better than the current crop
Another 9-8 season will be worse than tanking

 

[Screamin12th]

Start Howell and tank for 2026 Qbs which will be light years better than the current crop
Another 9-8 season will be worse than tanking

And thats what Geno will get you. 9-8 again. Might go 8-9 maybe 7-10 but he is good enough to keep the club around .500 just not really much better. Top season from Geno I think would be 10-7 max MAYBE with another 30TD 10 or less INT season gets them to that but not much higher. He just has to many "game costing" mistakes.

 

[flyerhawk]

Start Howell and tank for 2026 Qbs which will be light years better than the current crop
Another 9-8 season will be worse than tanking

Tanking teams are perennially bad teams.

 

[flyerhawk]

2 more years of Geno would be depressing .. LoL

Going 3-14 would be more depressing.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

You really love Fields. There is a reason why the Steelers benched him.

I think most fans think it is a lot easier to find a decent QB than it actually is. It's how you wind up starting guys like Gardner Minshew or Jacoby Brissett or Tyord Taylor.

He was the place holder till Russ was 100% healthy. Not difficult to figure out.
So far you shit on every post yet you've brought absolutely nothing to the table. Since you're the genius here please tell us what the Hawks should do at QB so I can either agree with or or rip your comment apart.

 

[flyerhawk]

He was the place holder till Russ was 100% healthy. Not difficult to figure out.
So far you shit on every post yet you've brought absolutely nothing to the table. Since you're the genius here please tell us what the Hawks should do at QB so I can either agree with or or rip your comment apart.

Why are you being an asshole? We are having a discussion about what we should do. None of us know, with any certainty, what we should do.

You've said you like Fields several times. Maybe you're right. I personally haven't seen anything from him that suggests he could be a viable NFL QB. But I could be wrong. Hell I respect that you are offering something tangible rather than just taking an extra big bong hit of hopium.

I've stated what I think the Hawks should do on numerous occasions, including earlier in this thread. Restructure Geno's contract for at least one more real season. Draft someone in the 2nd or 3rd to be a developmental QB. If there is no one they think can do that, then either stick with Howell or bring in some other low risk player to compete with Geno.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Could be Beck, could be Klubnik. Maybe Leonard or Daniels. Maybe Howard or Drones. There is also Smith and Van Dyke. These are some of the QB's that will be outside of the 1st and 2nd rounds and some of them have talent. One of these guys will be better than Geno and maybe even more than 1.

No Beck. He's a turnover machine.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Why are you being an asshole? We are having a discussion about what we should do. None of us know, with any certainty, what we should do.

You've said you like Fields several times. Maybe you're right. I personally haven't seen anything from him that suggests he could be a viable NFL QB. But I could be wrong. Hell I respect that you are offering something tangible rather than just taking an extra big bong hit of hopium.

I've stated what I think the Hawks should do on numerous occasions, including earlier in this thread. Restructure Geno's contract for at least one more real season. Draft someone in the 2nd or 3rd to be a developmental QB. If there is no one they think can do that, then either stick with Howell or bring in some other low risk player to compete with Geno.

Your comment has a condescending tone with me thinking I love Fields. I've explained multiple times why Fields. No where in any of my comments have I suggested Fields as our QBoF. He's merely a stop gap till we get our QBoF.

There's no reason to bring Geno back even on a restructured contract. He's hit his peak as an average QB who can throw between the 20's but too many bad decisions in the redzone. Winning 7 or 8 games does us nothing. A developmental QB usually get in the 4th or 5th round. First thru 3rd round should be starters unless you've selected you QBoF to sit for a year like what Atlanta was going to do.

So what low risk QB do you want to compete against Howell in camp?

 

[Screamin12th]

Your comment has a condescending tone with me thinking I love Fields. I've explained multiple times why Fields. No where in any of my comments have I suggested Fields as our QBoF. He's merely a stop gap till we get our QBoF.

There's no reason to bring Geno back even on a restructured contract. He's hit his peak as an average QB who can throw between the 20's but too many bad decisions in the redzone. Winning 7 or 8 games does us nothing. A developmental QB usually get in the 4th or 5th round. First thru 3rd round should be starters unless you've selected you QBoF to sit for a year like what Atlanta was going to do.

So what low risk QB do you want to compete against Howell in camp?

He wants Geno over any other option. I do not understand his devotion to a QB like Geno.

I wouldn't mind Fields for a couple years. He played very well in his starts this year and out played Geno. Like it or not he would be a upgrade lol. Geno will continue to decline. If Geno was on the Giants, Browns or Raiders he would be a 9 TD 20 INT guy right now. If you are going to ride with a guy it might as well be someone with a little "Up side" to them and possible returned capital when you move on to your QBoF. Geno has ZERO value in that area. In his 6 stats he had 5 of them with OVER a 91 rating! Thats VERY good.

 

[flyerhawk]

Your comment has a condescending tone with me thinking I love Fields. I've explained multiple times why Fields. No where in any of my comments have I suggested Fields as our QBoF. He's merely a stop gap till we get our QBoF.

What is the point of replacing a stopgap with another stopgap. I don't understand that logic.

There's no reason to bring Geno back even on a restructured contract. He's hit his peak as an average QB who can throw between the 20's but too many bad decisions in the redzone. Winning 7 or 8 games does us nothing. A developmental QB usually get in the 4th or 5th round. First thru 3rd round should be starters unless you've selected you QBoF to sit for a year like what Atlanta was going to do.

So what low risk QB do you want to compete against Howell in camp?

I think it would be borderling incompetent for the Seahawks to get rid of Geno and have Howell and some developmental QB compete for a job. It would show a complete lack of seriousness by the team.

Keeping your players happy is more important than keeping your fans happy. Completely punting on your QB position is a good way to lose your team.