Game Thread: Week 15 Sunday night: Packers vs Seahawks “Must contain Jacob’s” Thread

[Screamin12th]

The point is this Geno Leads the NFL in RED ZONE TURNOVERS for the past TWO GOD DAMN YEARS. imagine where the Hawks would be with out that massive issue and it IS a massive issue like it or not. No one can or SHOULD ignore it. The offense would look better 100%

 

[MrS]

We need a better OL, but it wont save geno from holding the ball too long or throwing INTs in the endzone.
He did both this last game and it along with a boneheaded play or two are his calling cards

 

[Screamin12th]

Always has been.

I love Geno as a Back up QB, he is more than capable of coming in and playing good starter quality football but the longer he is on the field the more mistakes "and they are ALWAYS costly ones" he makes. This has been his calling card from day one. Physically he has all the gifts, mentally he lacks almost every skill needed.

It isnt just his INT's in the redzone either his completion percentage drops to 47% in the redzone. He damn near completes more passes to the other teams than his own team in the redzone lol.

Here are a few QB's that are better than Geno in the redzone.

Baker Mayfield
Tua Tagovailoa
Justin Fields
Aidan O'Connell
Bo Nix
Drake Maye
Derek Carr
Andy Dalton
Mason Rudolph
Jacoby Brissett
Mac Jones
Daniel Jones
Will Levis
Cooper Rush

this list could go one for a long time as i left off the high profile guys and others that only had limited chances ( less than 20 attempts )

 

[flyerhawk]

Spin It anyway you want, but landing a franchise QB gives the team some grace time to build around him. Pass on that oh so rare opportunity and you better win and win big. Seahawks haven’t. So don’t sit there typing that it was the correct decision.

I love how we somehow passed on CJ Stroud now. The revisionist history here is just incredible. I guess we passed on Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye as well.

Of course with hindisight we should have made the effort to trade up and get him. But you keep acting like there was no downside.

You constantly bring up how having a young franchise QB is great. But it's only great if you have a team around him that can win a Super Bowl. Otherwise you just waste 5 years and then have to pay him or let him walk.

 

[flyerhawk]

You dont remember the QB's that were out there? Carr Mayfield Darnold ETC ETC ETC stop being a ignorant fool. Even a SMALL step forward is a BIG step forward for this team when talking about QB's.
The real truth is you like/love Geno. You even stated once he was better than some of the top paid QB's in the league ... No ..no he is not.

LOL. Derek Carr? Sam Darnold? You've convinced yourself that if we just replace Smith with someone else, anyone else, the team will be better. It's a nonsense position that only fans make.

I've held the EXACT same position regarding Geno Smith since his first year starting. I've said he is somewhere around 12-18 in the league. Somehow you think that is too high praise because you absolutely hate Geno. You blame him for everything. You think the backup is the better choice be it Drew Lock or Sam Howell.

Oh and, FTR, here are some QBs getting paid more than Geno. You tell me who is better...

Dak Prescott - 60 million a year
Deshaun Watson - 56 million a year
Rodgers - 37 million a year
Derek Carr - 47 million a year

Which of those QBs would you prefer to have? You've already said that you think Derek Carr is clearly better which is hilarious but on brand for you.

You are the epitome of the fickle fan who always wants change for the sake of change.

 

[Screamin12th]

wow so bitchy i said they were available and THEY WERE. We would be a better team with any of those QB's you named lol sorry the truth hurts you so much.

Geno is ranked #42 in the NFL inside the redzone.

The vinegar was oozing from your post lol. Yes Sam Darnold the 4th highest rated passer in the NFL. We got the WR talent and our redzone offense would be a HELL of a lot better.

 

[flyerhawk]

Always has been.

I love Geno as a Back up QB, he is more than capable of coming in and playing good starter quality football but the longer he is on the field the more mistakes "and they are ALWAYS costly ones" he makes. This has been his calling card from day one. Physically he has all the gifts, mentally he lacks almost every skill needed.

It isnt just his INT's in the redzone either his completion percentage drops to 47% in the redzone. He damn near completes more passes to the other teams than his own team in the redzone lol.

Here are a few QB's that are better than Geno in the redzone.

Baker Mayfield
Tua Tagovailoa
Justin Fields
Aidan O'Connell
Bo Nix
Drake Maye
Derek Carr
Andy Dalton
Mason Rudolph
Jacoby Brissett
Mac Jones
Daniel Jones
Will Levis
Cooper Rush

this list could go one for a long time as i left off the high profile guys and others that only had limited chances ( less than 20 attempts )

Right. You would rather have Mac Jones or Daniel Jones. If anyone was questioning your blind hatred of Geno, that should settle the question.

 

[flyerhawk]

wow so bitchy i said they were available and THEY WERE. We would be a better team with any of those QB's you named lol sorry the truth hurts you so much.

Geno is ranked #42 in the NFL inside the redzone.

I'm happy that you were able to find a specific stat to focus on.

Hey, what is the running game's ranking inside the red zone? Have we scored a rushing TD inside the 5 yard line this year?

 

[Screamin12th]

Sam Darnold is ranked #3 in Redzone TD's.

I'm happy that you were able to find a specific stat to focus on.

Oh so you put no weight behind ANY stat no matter HOW important as long as it doesnt fit your narration. Gatcha We get it. LMFAO! Yes WE not I.

Lets also ignore that he is 22nd in the NFL in TD passes 3rd in the NFL in INT's 1st in the NFL in Redzone turnovers. 24th in QBR, 19th in rating the old rating that QBR replaced. These numbers are more important than yards or completion percentage. Like i said anything above 63% is where these guys should be and the difference between 65%-70% isnt that much. thats 19.5 of 30 or 21 of 30.

 

[flyerhawk]

Sam Darnold is ranked #3 in Redzone TD's.


Oh so you put no weight behind ANY stat no matter HOW important as long as it doesnt fit your narration. Gatcha We get it. LMFAO! Yes WE not I.

Lets also ignore that he is 22nd in the NFL in TD passes 3rd in the NFL in INT's 1st in the NFL in Redzone turnovers. 24th in QBR, 19th in rating the old rating that QBR replaced. These numbers are more important than yards or completion percentage. Like i said anything above 63% is where these guys should be and the difference between 65%-70% isnt that much. thats 19.5 of 30 or 21 of 30.

I look at all stats and not just the ones that suit me.

I also watch the games. I don't blame Geno because the offensive line is terrible. And anyone who is arguing that is anything other than terrible is lying to themselves. Anyone who thinks that Sam Darnold could have come here and replicated what he is doing in Minnesota is lying to themselves.

If you want to think that Mac Jones and Mason Rudolph are better QBs, knock yourself out. If you want to pretend that passing accuracy doesn't matter, knock yourself out. Kinda explains your love for Drew Lock though.

 

[Screamin12th]

Geno's QBR in the redzone is worse than Danial Jones and we ALL know how you feel about him.

 

[Screamin12th]

I look at all stats and not just the ones that suit me.

I also watch the games. I don't blame Geno because the offensive line is terrible. And anyone who is arguing that is anything other than terrible is lying to themselves. Anyone who thinks that Sam Darnold could have come here and replicated what he is doing in Minnesota is lying to themselves.

If you want to think that Mac Jones and Mason Rudolph are better QBs, knock yourself out. If you want to pretend that passing accuracy doesn't matter, knock yourself out. Kinda explains your love for Drew Lock though.

LMAO What stats are those? Made up ones in your head? Or the extra 4 completed passes every 100 attempts? WHAT STATS! lmao
That he takes a long time in the pocket? He was low there also or that he has a 7.5 YPA average? His 14 TD's? His yardage? Please tell us what stats. None of his stats are good for the situation ... ZERO!

Also i was just pointing out some REAL BAD QB's that were rated BETTER than Geno. You need new Glasses Geno is a trash starting QB.

 

[flyerhawk]

Geno's QBR in the redzone is worse than Danial Jones and we ALL know how you feel about him.

Ok. That's a stat. So what is the conclusion you can make about this stat? Take the next step and state what you think these numbers mean.

Should we go after Daniel Jones in the offseason? How bout Mason Rudolph?

 

[Screamin12th]

Ok. That's a stat. So what is the conclusion you can make about this stat? Take the next step and state what you think these numbers mean.

Should we go after Daniel Jones in the offseason? How bout Mason Rudolph?

Rudolph HELL NO! But Daniels is still young and we just need a QB for 2 or 3 more years not a long term Guy. There is only one way we get our QB and thats some type of trade be it draft or player. Everyone looks like trash in New York, that team needs to be blown up. Some times you got to look at these guys and say "WHO has shown a small spark" "which of these younger guys MIGHT still grow" Have they peaked yet? Have they shown all they could? See I dont think Players like Drew Lock or Jones have peaked yet. Neither is a long term answer but they all are at Geno's level with a chance to grow thats the issue you are missing " THE CHANCE TO GROW!" Geno ISNT going to get better only worse.

I wanted Mayfield because i knew he was better than average most of the time but would have games where he looked like a stud. He has done that every place he has played almost. You could see he has something. yes not a great player but at times he could be VERY good. When you look at Purdy and even this season his worst he has had and you see one thing that is always pretty good and thats his redzone production. There is truth behind these stats IF you look for them or you can put your blinders back on.

As far as our QB situation.. we are screwed. really is NO OPTION but to beg Geno for a restructure and run him out there in 2025. Oh yay for us. The worst 38.5 million QB ever.

 

[Screamin12th]

If we had a Starting QB that we were going with over Geno i have ZERO issues with Geno as the Back-up. He would be one of the better if not the best Back-up in the NFL. Yeah i know thats not saying much but then he becomes a value to the club right now he isnt. What would this season be with out all the missed points the gifted points to the other team..

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

It's funny how you are laser focused on the one guy that turned out well from that draft class.

Not that Harold needs my help, but he and I both made a number of posts BEFORE the draft saying we wanted Shroud. That was not hindsight.

 

[flyerhawk]

Rudolph HELL NO! But Daniels is still young and we just need a QB for 2 or 3 more years not a long term Guy. There is only one way we get our QB and thats some type of trade be it draft or player. Everyone looks like trash in New York, that team needs to be blown up. Some times you got to look at these guys and say "WHO has shown a small spark" "which of these younger guys MIGHT still grow" Have they peaked yet? Have they shown all they could? See I dont think Players like Drew Lock or Jones have peaked yet. Neither is a long term answer but they all are at Geno's level with a chance to grow thats the issue you are missing " THE CHANCE TO GROW!" Geno ISNT going to get better only worse.

They AREN'T at Geno's level. Drew Lock was bad in Denver and he was terrible in New York. Maybe someday he will turn into something better but historically inaccurate QBs don't get better as they get older.

Getting rid of Geno and just hoping that some retread is going to do well given the issues that this line has is not a good plan.

I wanted Mayfield because i knew he was better than average most of the time but would have games where he looked like a stud. He has done that every place he has played almost. You could see he has something. yes not a great player but at times he could be VERY good. When you look at Purdy and even this season his worst he has had and you see one thing that is always pretty good and thats his redzone production. There is truth behind these stats IF you look for them or you can put your blinders back on.

I wanted Mayfield as well. I've liked Mayfield since his college days. But let's not pretend that he notably better than Geno.

As far as our QB situation.. we are screwed. really is NO OPTION but to beg Geno for a restructure and run him out there in 2025. Oh yay for us. The worst 38.5 million QB ever.

Well Deshaun Watson would beg to differ on that. This is the life our team chose once they traded away Russ.

 

[MrS]

You can argue over the QB until you get erectile dysfunction, the facts are we have invested almost nothing in the interior of our OL and it creates systemic problems on offense. We cant run the ball consistently and we cant protect the QB on 3rd down (it doesn't help that he holds the ball too long).
John schneider has openly professed he thinks guards and centers are overpaid and over drafted
While teams like KC invest heavily in IOL and win superbowls
So until schneider gets canned, this team is going nowhere.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

I love how we somehow passed on CJ Stroud now. The revisionist history here is just incredible. I guess we passed on Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye as well.

Of course with hindisight we should have made the effort to trade up and get him. But you keep acting like there was no downside.

You constantly bring up how having a young franchise QB is great. But it's only great if you have a team around him that can win a Super Bowl. Otherwise you just waste 5 years and then have to pay him or let him walk.

Well, I think Harold's point was trading to #1 (unless the Bears weren't entertaining offers from the NFC West or Seattle) was an option. I dunno why I said yesterday they may have not been entertaining offers to NFC teams - DERP, they traded to Carolina lol. And with #5 and #20, it was fairly realistic. We easily could've put together a better package than Carolina and it wouldn't have been TOO steep. Now I was fine not taking a QB if it worked out that way, but I was pretty pissed off when we took a fuckin' CORNERBACK when our DL/OL was major weak points at #5.... It's annoying we keep passing on QBs because we need to build a better supporting cast, and we've pissed away 2 years (and a ton of draft ammo) not doing either. I mean I guess we got Cross and Murphy... *shrugs*

As for this years draft, the Skins/Pats and Bears were not interested in trading. They wanted their QB of the future, and 3 good prospects were there. To trade from #16 to #2/#3 when the team already wants a QB would've been some MASSIVE ridiculous Herschel Walker kind of trade. Trading from #5 to #1 with the #20 and additional 2nd we had was fairly realistic in 2023 when the Bears WANTED to trade.

And the 2022 draft class just sucked ass. Sites mocking us Malik Willis at #9, lmao...

End of day, trading up for Stroud was realistic. And yes, you sacrifice 2 more 1st rounders (albeit prob. later/mid 1st rounders), but it's not a MAJOR downside (like trading up from #16 to a team that doesn't want to trade)... clearly John/Pete didn't think he was their guy. It's just what it is.

 

[flyerhawk]

You can argue over the QB until you get erectile dysfunction, the facts are we have invested almost nothing in the interior of our OL and it creates systemic problems on offense. We cant run the ball consistently and we cant protect the QB on 3rd down (it doesn't help that he holds the ball too long).
John schneider has openly professed he thinks guards and centers are overpaid and over drafted
While teams like KC invest heavily in IOL and win superbowls
So until schneider gets canned, this team is going nowhere.

You and I are in complete agreement here. If the Hawks decide to move from Geno in the offseason I'm perfectly fine with that PROVIDED that they actually address the interior line.

The notion that some other QB could come in here and play notably better than Geno completely ignores how bad this OL is.