Game Thread: Week 15 Sunday night: Packers vs Seahawks “Must contain Jacob’s” Thread

[Anointed One]

The problem is that the team is never terrible. So they never have those high draft picks. Let me tell you, living in the New York metro area, being perennially terrible is miserable for the fans. NONE of them wanted them to be fighting for a Number 1 pick AGAIN!

I was all for drafting a QB. I was simply against giving up the farm to trade up. Historically speaking, it's a bad move.

If we were in position to take a QB due to our horrible season, I would've been all in... But like you said, mortgaging your future in hopes that you make the right decision wasn't something I was wanting the team to do at that time... A few here wanted us to do it for A. Richardson, not Stroud... Imagine had we done that... We also had no shot at Stroud so that's a mute point.. The team was happy rolling with Geno and hoping Drew Lock would be a diamond in the ruff...

 

[flyerhawk]

Yah agreed, although the defense kind of collapsed early as well. Woolen yeesh. I dunno, outside of Charbs/JSN, I'll throw Cross in there... uh... I'm really struggling to find many other guys that played well. Knight did pretty good. Jones had the FF but then got owned by a total bitch on the play where he ran up and then held up and I think Jacobs or whatever blew past him for another 15 yards lol.

Pretty shit all around. But yah the OL was a disaster. The offense only had 2 penalties that were accepted (2 holding), but then 3 HUGE penalties by the defense (2 by Woolen, 1 by Joby)...

Yah, just an all around disaster of a game.

So I know your whole point is, "Why draft a QB if we can't protect him?" Well usually drafting and investing in a QB means that you bolster the OL. So maybe that's the accelerant we need lol.

I thought that Williams had a good game. Honestly the DL in general played pretty well. Julian Love had a good game.

 

[flyerhawk]

If we were in position to take a QB due to our horrible season, I would've been all in... But like you said, mortgaging your future in hopes that you make the right decision wasn't something I was wanting the team to do at that time... A few here wanted us to do it for A. Richardson, not Stroud... Imagine had we done that... We also had no shot at Stroud so that's a mute point.. The team was happy rolling with Geno and hoping Drew Lock would be a diamond in the ruff...

Yeah hard to imagine the Cardinals wanting to trade their #2 pick to us so we would have needed to really overpay for that pick.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Yeah hard to imagine the Cardinals wanting to trade their #2 pick to us so we would have needed to really overpay for that pick.

Think it was #3 in the Richardson draft. They had the #4 in the 2024 draft and just stayed put and took Harrison. 2023 they moved down with Houston but Houston already took Stroud at #2 (where they were drafting).

But your point is still valid, Arizona wouldn't have traded us the #3 (if we wanted to take Richardson there) anyway.. unless it was like 3 1st rounders, something stupidly insane (to move two spots).

 

[HaroldSeattle]

We also had no shot at Stroud so that's a mute point.

WHAT? The #1 pick was traded that year, so yeah it could of been the Seahawks who traded for it and draft Stroud. Saying they had no shot, is not only wrong, it misrepresenting the possibilities intentionally.

 

[flyerhawk]

Seattle would be a 11 or 12 win team with Patty. Besides Kelce, he hasn't had a solid WR since Ty Hill. Since Hill left he's won 2 SB's. He's also had a revolving door of RBs due to injuries. He's made Andy Reid look like a top 5 coach when reality is he isn't. Give Pat our weapons it's not that far fetched to say Seattle could be a 11 game winner right now.

Andy Reid has been to 11 conference championships. 6 of those were without Mahomes. He's a 1st ballot Hall of Fame coach.

Go rewatch the Chiefs-Bucs Super Bowl when Mahomes didn't have his starting tackles.

He's an incredible talent. Maybe the best ever. And he certainly would have won a few more games for us. Maybe even 3 more. But we would be no closer to a Super Bowl championship with Mahomes this year.

 

[flyerhawk]

Think it was #3 in the Richardson draft. They had the #4 in the 2024 draft and just stayed put and took Harrison. 2023 they moved down with Houston but Houston already took Stroud at #2 (where they were drafting).

But your point is still valid, Arizona wouldn't have traded us the #3 (if we wanted to take Richardson there) anyway.. unless it was like 3 1st rounders, something stupidly insane (to move two spots).

Oh you're right. So we never had a shot at Stroud. No way the Texans trade down for anything feasible. We could have given up a lot to trade up and grab Richardson. That would have been disastrous.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

WHAT? The #1 pick was traded that year, so yeah it could of been the Seahawks who traded for it and draft Stroud. Saying they had no shot, is not only wrong, it misrepresenting the possibilities intentionally.

Correct. The Bears would've asked for our #5, #20 and prob. a 2024 1st (so no Murphy) but that's probably it. Unless the Bears didn't want us to have Stroud or Young because they are a conference opponent. They probably would've taxed us more than Houston. But it was definitely a play. Nothing we could've done about Houston wanting Stroud.

And even without Moore, a #5, #20 and 2024 1st is worth WAY more than a #9, LATE second, FUTURE 1st/2nd (current value is a 2nd/3rd) and Moore.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Oh you're right. So we never had a shot at Stroud. No way the Texans trade down for anything feasible. We could have given up a lot to trade up and grab Richardson. That would have been disastrous.

We could've traded up to #1 if the Bears (non-division but conference) were willing to entertain it. With the #5, #20, and a 2024 1st (a LOT to move up 4, I get it...) it probably would've been enough to move on it.

And I'm not going to rehash the whole analysis I already did on the pros/cons of it, lol. I already did that in your hindsight question (that you posed to Harold not me, but I wanted to respond lol).

If Sea offered: #5, #20, 2024 1st.
Carolina offered: #9, #61, 2024 1st/2nd... and Moore...

I'd still go Seattle. #5/#20 is worth WAY more than the Panthers whole draft capital combined. If you wanted to throw in Lockett, go for it.

Course Carolina bombed and allowed another #1 overall, but that's hard to foresee... although we all knew Carolina's owner is a fuckin' moron.

 

[flyerhawk]

We could've traded up to #1 if the Bears (non-division but conference) were willing to entertain it. With the #5, #20, and a 2024 1st (a LOT to move up 4, I get it...) it probably would've been enough to move on it.

And I'm not going to rehash the whole analysis I already did on the pros/cons of it, lol. I already did that in your hindsight question (that you posed to Harold not me, but I wanted to respond lol).

If Sea offered: #5, #20, 2024 1st.
Carolina offered: #9, #61, 2024 1st/2nd... and Moore...

I'd still go Seattle. #5/#20 is worth WAY more than the Panthers whole draft capital combined. If you wanted to throw in Lockett, go for it.

Course Carolina bombed and allowed another #1 overall, but that's hard to foresee... although we all knew Carolina's owner is a fuckin' moron.

Yeah I forgot about the Bears trading down. 2 1st and 2 2nds and a quality wideout. And of course we could have also taken Bryce Young.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Yeah I forgot about the Bears trading down. 2 1st and 2 2nds and a quality wideout. And of course we could have also taken Bryce Young.

Well yah. And that would've been just as big of a disaster for us as the Panthers, lol. Just saying I never wanted Young or Richardson. I liked Stroud. I was quite annoyed when Houston took him and then snagged Anderson to boot and I felt we had to 'settle' for fuckin' Witherspoon who has been... ABOVE AVERAGE. Still would've taken Carter in that position.

Top 5 picks IMO are reserved for QBs and the trenches... it's SO ridiculously hard to get elite talent there and it's NEVER available in free agency. There's decent corners all the time available in free agency. Yah you gotta pay a little bit, but at least they hit the market. Nobody is letting go of an elite DE/DT/OT/QB - so when you have those picks, unless there's just jack fuck all there or Calvin Johnson 2.0 (which Witherspoon was not in terms of a DB equivalent), that's what you go for.

And if you're in a position to move up for those, IMO you take it - especially at QB. Stroud was there... that's who I wanted. So if I was the GM I would've worked something out to get him. Oh BTW, I also thought Russell Wilson was a wasted pick, so I'm happy to eat my slice of humble pie hindsight mode.

 

[MrS]

i dont trust schneider to make good choices in the draft, or in trading draft picks.
im done with the guy and 100% ready to move on.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

i dont trust schneider to make good choices in the draft, or in trading draft picks.
im done with the guy and 100% ready to move on.

I mean his track record trading picks for players has been HORRENDOUS. And outside of Cross and Okung (both top 10 picks) not one OL has really panned out, lol.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Andy Reid has been to 11 conference championships. 6 of those were without Mahomes. He's a 1st ballot Hall of Fame coach.

Go rewatch the Chiefs-Bucs Super Bowl when Mahomes didn't have his starting tackles.

He's an incredible talent. Maybe the best ever. And he certainly would have won a few more games for us. Maybe even 3 more. But we would be no closer to a Super Bowl championship with Mahomes this year.

Andy Reid has been a choke before Patty showed up. We can go through every Eagles Conference championship games if you like.

No need to rewatch Chiefs/Bucs cause yes injuries to a team can hurt and he didn't win. He did win b2b with no receivers and I'm probably sure there were injuries on both sides of the ball.

So an offense that can score from anywhere on the field with Patty QBing puts us no closer to a SB? Totally disagree with that. We may not have the best defense but a QB that can sustain drives with a good run game gives our defense much needed rest. Maybe with rest our defense could be better on the field and not gassed by the 4th Q.

 

[MrS]

speaking of the chiefs, their OL:
LT DJ Humphries - Signed as FA 1 year 2 million
LG Joe Thuney - Signed as FA 5 years 8 million
C Creed Humphrey - drafted round 2 just a few picks after schneider took eskridge, extended 4 years 72 million (pocic the weak was our starter)
RG Trey Smith - 6th round pick, all rookie team, will get paid in the offseason
RT - Jawaan Taylor - signed as free agent 4 years 80 million

LT has been kind of a shit show but they have spent money on every other position on the line.
they should fire schneider and hire the chiefs #2 guy to replace him.

 

[Anointed One]

WHAT? The #1 pick was traded that year, so yeah it could have been the Seahawks who traded for it and draft Stroud. Saying they had no shot, is not only wrong, it misrepresenting the possibilities intentionally.

I was more thinking along the lines when Houston traded for that pick it was pretty much done. There is no way we had the same arsenal to trade into the #1 overall pick without setting us back

And didn’t you really want Richardson? Seems like you really wanted him because you didn’t think we had a shot at Stroud

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I was more thinking along the lines when Houston traded for that pick it was pretty much done. There is no way we had the same arsenal to trade into the #1 overall pick without setting us back

And didn’t you really want Richardson? Seems like you really wanted him because you didn’t think we had a shot at Stroud

I wanted Stroud but knew he won’t drop to the Seahawks and didn’t think they would move up for him. Thought Richardson might drop and was willing to consider him for lack of a better option You know if the Seahawks had tried to land Stroud but couldn’t swing it I would have felt better about it but the Seahawks had already decided to go with a defensive player. Anderson was their first choice and Witherspoon plan B. They wanted to ride with Geno and pass up a once a decade chance to draft a QB at the top of the draft. Didn’t like it then like even less now. So now they are painted in a corner and good chance a complete house cleaning happens after 2025. If they had move up for Stroud the team may have a weaker roster but the hope for the future would be considerably higher. I’m not excited about seeing both the GM and likely the coaching staff shit canned. Think about this…..the decision to go with Geno cost Pete his job, likely costs JS his job and likely cost the present coaching staff their jobs. Yet folks still insist it was the right decision. Good lord.

 

[flyerhawk]

Think about this…..the decision to go with Geno cost Pete his job, likely costs JS his job and likely cost the present coaching staff their jobs. Yet folks still insist it was the right decision. Good lord.

You think the reason why Pete was fired was Geno? Not the absolutely horrendous defense the team was fielding the past 2 years? Drafting a QB 2 years ago probably would have led to Pete getting fired a year earlier.

It's funny how you are laser focused on the one guy that turned out well from that draft class. Richardson has been straight up terrible for the Colts. Levis is no good. Young was already benched and has been unimpressive. If only they had hindsight 2 years ago and would know which QB would turn out to be the best.

That you think the thing that is going to cost this coaching staff their jobs is Geno is pretty wild as well. If they get fired it will be because of the offensive line and the defense. The defense already looks significantly better than last year. The OL, not so much.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

You think the reason why Pete was fired was Geno? Not the absolutely horrendous defense the team was fielding the past 2 years? Drafting a QB 2 years ago probably would have led to Pete getting fired a year earlier.

It's funny how you are laser focused on the one guy that turned out well from that draft class. Richardson has been straight up terrible for the Colts. Levis is no good. Young was already benched and has been unimpressive. If only they had hindsight 2 years ago and would know which QB would turn out to be the best.

That you think the thing that is going to cost this coaching staff their jobs is Geno is pretty wild as well. If they get fired it will be because of the offensive line and the defense. The defense already looks significantly better than last year. The OL, not so much.

Spin It anyway you want, but landing a franchise QB gives the team some grace time to build around him. Pass on that oh so rare opportunity and you better win and win big. Seahawks haven’t. So don’t sit there typing that it was the correct decision.

 

[Screamin12th]

This is what I find so frustrating with the dumb Geno crowd. There is never any actual tangible plan. It's all hand wavy underpants gnome reasoning. Rather than simply answering the question you tell me to ask someone else their opinion.

Drew Lock is not a good QB. He's been on 3 teams already and about to go to his 4th. Sam Howell looks suspect, to say the least.

I guess we could have gone after Sam Darnold but that's pretty much pure hindsight as NO ONE was clamoring for him. Who else? Will Levis?

The truth is that there were no great options. Perhaps they could have sold the farm to trade up but that comes with costs as well, especially for a team trying to rebuild its core talent levels. I think the Hawks WERE trying to find another QB. But they simply didn't feel that they were going to be able to get someone that they thought would be worth the move.

This was the risk the team took when they traded Russ. Teams get in the QB carousel and it can take the decades to get off.

You dont remember the QB's that were out there? Carr Mayfield Darnold ETC ETC ETC stop being a ignorant fool. Even a SMALL step forward is a BIG step forward for this team when talking about QB's.
The real truth is you like/love Geno. You even stated once he was better than some of the top paid QB's in the league ... No ..no he is not.