Mariners trade deadline/rumors thread

wazzu31 · Jul 30, 2021

SeattleCoug said:
I dont think we dismiss it, but if its what kills the season I think there are bigger issues here. The timing sucked but at the same time I would definitely take Castillo over Graveman. Sometimes you have to make those type of moves

But the main grievance it is wasn’t an either or. They could still have made the Castillo trade he had both when they are winning 2 series in a row from being in a playoff spot. I totally get the philosophy of wanting controllable guys, but eventually they are going to have to stop pretending they are a small market team and think they can resign their guys. And eventually when they are in a playoff race they are going to need to keep one their best player who is a FA at the end of the year. This obviously is still first emotions of the deal, I didn’t like it and Jerry did his Jerry thing with saying he had to do it because he wanted to be able to look in the mirror and say Montero wasn’t a failed experiment because he flipped him.

The clubhouse thing isn’t the end all be all but with a young clubhouse they do eventually need camaraderie, so I just don’t get the reaction to it being reported.

NWinAZ · Jul 30, 2021

SeattleCoug said:
I dont think we dismiss it, but if its what kills the season I think there are bigger issues here. The timing sucked but at the same time I would definitely take Castillo over Graveman. Sometimes you have to make those type of moves

Why not Castillo and Graveman? One had nothing to do with the other.

SeattleCoug · Jul 30, 2021

NWinAZ said:
Why not Castillo and Graveman? One had nothing to do with the other.

Because they wanted Toro who helps this year and next.

Look at what they have been throwing out at 2B. I really dont see the downgrade here in baseball on the field terms. I wont speak to the clubhouse portion.

SeattleCoug · Jul 30, 2021

wazzu31 said:
But the main grievance it is wasn’t an either or. They could still have made the Castillo trade he had both when they are winning 2 series in a row from being in a playoff spot. I totally get the philosophy of wanting controllable guys, but eventually they are going to have to stop pretending they are a small market team and think they can resign their guys. And eventually when they are in a playoff race they are going to need to keep one their best player who is a FA at the end of the year. This obviously is still first emotions of the deal, I didn’t like it and Jerry did his Jerry thing with saying he had to do it because he wanted to be able to look in the mirror and say Montero wasn’t a failed experiment because he flipped him.

The clubhouse thing isn’t the end all be all but with a young clubhouse they do eventually need camaraderie, so I just don’t get the reaction to it being reported.

They needed to get rid of Montero that day and they have been eyeing Toro. I dont see a lot of solutions coming up in the system at 2nd or 3rd base and to get something you need to give something. And if that's 30 year old relief pitcher pitching at the top of his game that could leave after the year, then I completely get it.

I have no issue with the clubhouse thing being reported. That's Divish and the other reporters jobs to report what they see. But I mean Tampa dealt one of their better relievers too and the teammates didnt like it. That's just what happens sometimes.

I honestly was confused at first too but it made more sense when I looked at it closely. I think the team is better now then it was a couple of days ago. I dont think it's enough to get a WC spot but they could have traded Kirby/Hancock/Marte and still fallen short anyway.

Im ok with things for now but they better spend and make a move this offseason or Ill have a different tune

Destroydacre · Jul 30, 2021

Well that trade deadline was pretty underwhelming. Don't get me wrong I'm glad they didn't give up one of their better prospects for a rental, but I also don't feel like they improved at all either. Here's hoping Toro ends up being a keeper.

Msfann · Jul 30, 2021

These guys are professionals and have been seeing players coming and going from their teams ever since they played in little league. I doubt they are really that upset for long.

That being said I hope they aren't done with trades. This is still the worst hitting team in baseball and not much has been done about that. This team will get slaughtered in the playoffs if they somehow made it.

Nevermind its over I guess. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING

Msfann · Jul 30, 2021

I'm glad they got Toro but it wasn't enough.

Tapey · Jul 30, 2021

Whelp looks like they are giving up on the year. Saw all the competition around them get better and sat on their hands. Can’t wait to see what the excuse is in the off-season as to why we aren’t going after other players.

Duders · Jul 30, 2021

This shows why the re-build goes on and on....More money spent, but not on team building I guess.

wazzu31 · Jul 30, 2021

SeattleCoug said:
They needed to get rid of Montero that day and they have been eyeing Toro. I dont see a lot of solutions coming up in the system at 2nd or 3rd base and to get something you need to give something. And if that's 30 year old relief pitcher pitching at the top of his game that could leave after the year, then I completely get it.

I have no issue with the clubhouse thing being reported. That's Divish and the other reporters jobs to report what they see. But I mean Tampa dealt one of their better relievers too and the teammates didnt like it. That's just what happens sometimes.

I honestly was confused at first too but it made more sense when I looked at it closely. I think the team is better now then it was a couple of days ago. I dont think it's enough to get a WC spot but they could have traded Kirby/Hancock/Marte and still fallen short anyway.

Im ok with things for now but they better spend and make a move this offseason or Ill have a different tune

But they already got “rid” of Montero. It was a pure ego thing that Jerry had to trade him. That is one of gripes. If Toro was a priority the Mariners have relievers on the roster and plenty of prospect depth. The second one is pretending Seattle is some small market team and having the losers mentality of oh well Graveman was a free agent and we will lose him. Let alone he is “at the top of his game” so let’s trade him. Who knows exactly what he ceiling is, but it sure has been a lot better after surgery and him going to the bullpen and becoming high leverage guy.

The Tampa comparison goes back to the loser mentality and kind of the point of Seattle isn’t Tampa.

I don’t think anyone can say they are anything other than slightly better but that isn’t because of Toro it is because of Anderson. But they aren’t as good as they should be. I am not saying they needed to go out and get rid of one of their top prospects to catch the Astros but with their performance up until Monday the goal changed from next year to trying catch the A’s and sneak into the wildcard.

Your last part is totally true and maybe they will shock us all and spend. But Castillo at most = Graveman and Toro is an unknown but can’t we at least agree he < Seager?

Sorry about the rant. It isn’t so much that I don’t like Toro, I just don’t get why it was an either or with Graveman and Castillo nor do I understand Jerry literally saying he is punting on the season. They got two full months left and the Mariners/Astros/A’s got like 20 something games against each other left.

ulmax · Jul 30, 2021

the path the mariners are on..is a better path...than houston..and the AS

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so toro fits with the group..of young mariners...that..was worth graveman..who ended up costing shenton as well
but graveman is a free agent next year..so..if they want him they can go get him'...if seattle goes to the playoffs

the odds of going to the series..is

+6000
houston
+500
anyway

so this is the real cost of trading graveman..is they had to go get RHP Diego Castillo/..and that cost..
3B Austin Shenton (Mariners No. 17 prospect)..which is the biggest loss..the..the farm..took...good job...jedi...i give an A grade..for not over spending..with..farm hands
but not an A +..cuz..well..some say the mariners could have goten a better pitcher.....for the 5th spot..??...so ok.......no A+++

NWinAZ · Jul 30, 2021

ulmax · Jul 30, 2021

ulmax said:
so toro fits with the group..of young mariners...that..was worth graveman..who ended up costing shenton as well
but graveman is a free agent next year..so..if they want him they can go get him'...if seattle goes to the playoffs

the odds of going to the series..is

+6000
houston
+500
anyway

so this is the real cost of trading graveman..is they had to go get RHP Diego Castillo/..and that cost..
3B Austin Shenton (Mariners No. 17 prospect)..which is the biggest loss..the..the farm..took...good job...jedi...i give an A grade..for not over spending..with..farm hands
but not an A +..cuz..well..some say the mariners could have goten a better pitcher.....for the 5th spot..??...so ok.......no A+++

just...imo...graveman has a better ...chance..to go to the series..with houston...so..really..he should be happy..for now

wazzu31 · Jul 30, 2021

NWinAZ said:

I don’t know if it was CBS or not but they posted an article where it wasn’t the Mariners that lost but it was Dipoto lost. Which is really tricky because he and Servais are tied at the hip so no idea how the players have so much disdain for him but can like Servais.

ulmax · Jul 30, 2021

NWinAZ said:

i knew those guys..where going to say that...but..those pitchers at...aqua sox...are some of the best..in the minors..and what every other team..wants..
soo...for those guys point of ........view..or chew.......seattle will not be a threat..to the players they wanted for there teams..or to there teams
playoffs....maybe
but..seattle is not ready yet anyway....
so seattle did fine..for seattles needs...not san diegos...or a big media splash.....so a guy can write an artical..wrong..seattle..did fine for seattle
and although..lost..austin shenton..was at AA
they have

2 TylerKeenan 3B	EVE	31	114	18	25	12	0	4	28	19	50	0	0	.219	.338	.430

at aqua sox

juanQuerecuto 3B	MOD

parker now at modesto

James Parker

R/R

6' 1"

200

03/26/2000

Active

No

and cole bar is at AZL..but im hoping he will be really good

but the point is..seattle was not full up...and still..is not at arkansas..so onre more year..for that...
soo till they are full up..on the farm
im good with what jedi did..which is fill the mariners...holes

ulmax · Jul 31, 2021

to

wazzu31....

yeah missed the quote insert

yeahh..they be beating on him...but they..going to have to kiss backside later...when he winning......and eat..CROW

and houston and the As..got no ...CLOUT..on the farm..which means..they will lose ..not now..but soon....

inch by inch it's a cinch...

yard by yard....by by farm

ulmax · Jul 31, 2021

Major League Rosters..oldest teams by age of players..in mlb

MLB Roster Analysis
RK	TEAM	RHB	LHB	SH	RHP	LHP	HT	WT	AGE	YNG	OLD
1	St. Louis	9	2	3	7	6	6-2	207	31.1	22	63
2	Oakland	8	4	1	9	4	6-2	219	30.5	26	38
3	Atlanta	6	3	3	8	6	6-2	210	30.3	23	37
4	San Francisco	7	6	0	8	5	6-1	207	30.1	24	35
5	Miami	7	6	1	10	3	6-2	202	30.0	23	73
6	Cincinnati	5	7	0	10	4	6-1	208	29.8	24	37
7...in rebuild	Chicago Cubs	7	2	3	10	3	6-1	200	29.4	24	37
8	NY Yankees	7	5	1	7	6	6-2	214	29.3	24	37
9they took a pitcher with every pick..in the draft	LA Angels	8	4	1	8	4	6-9	202	29.2	23	37
10	Milwaukee	7	5	1	10	4	6-1	203	29.1	24	40
11.. in rebuild	Kansas City	6	4	2	9	5	6-1	204	29.1	23	38
12	Houston	6	4	1	12	3	6-1	210	29.1	24	37
13	NY Mets	6	5	1	11	3	6-2	213	29.0	24	41
14	LA Dodgers	6	7	0	9	4	6-1	211	29.0	22	41
15..in rebuild	Washington	7	5	1	10	2	6-1	214	29.0	21	37
16came out of rebuild the last couple years	San Diego	7	4	2	9	4	6-1	211	28.8	21	37
17..same as san diego	Chicago Sox	6	3	4	9	4	6-1	219	28.3	22	34
18...in rebuild	Minnesota	8	4	1	10	3	6-2	207	28.3	22	35
19	Boston	8	4	1	9	4	6-1	212	28.2	22	35
20	Colorado	6	6	0	9	5	6-2	217	28.2	24	36
21after years of rebuild..they came out ahead..of san diego	Tampa Bay	5	6	2	8	5	6-1	205	28.2	20	41
22..well in rebuild	Arizona	7	5	1	9	4	6-1	207	28.1	23	36
23	Toronto	9	2	1	7	7	6-1	206	28.1	22	34
24..coming out of rebuild	Seattle	5	5	2	10	4	6-1	209	27.8	22	37

ulmax · Jul 31, 2021

presumably..the clubs that..almost never have to rebuild..are the ones that can buy...the team..as in free..agents..

like dodgers NY yankees..boston..sf giants..somewhat..angels..but they hit there bumps...as do most other teams

2018	2 teams	-	Minors	133	474	70	117	206	35	3	16	78	62	1	108	8	4	.247	.345	.435	.779	0.73
2019	2 teams	-	Minors	114	442	82	143	233	31	4	17	80	58	2	82	4	2	.324	.411	.527	.938	0.43
2021	SUG	AAA W	AAA	17	54	10	19	32	5	1	2	11	11	0	8	2	1	.352	.485	.593	1.078	1

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