MLB 2024 Trade Deadline…

[Shanemansj13]

I figure he is just a lottery ticket. But his pro numbers are nice, though I NEVER trust minor league numbers, especially at the lower levels and by super young kids.

I am very surprised that that trade happened, though. Cobb hasn’t pitched in forever, and he has been shut down numerous times in his comeback. He is loved by Giants fans, so I thought the Giants would try to capitalize on the last few starts of his career. But getting a kid who looks like a legit prospect for him, I am OK with it.

Not certain why the Guardians would want to take such a huge risk flier on a guy like him, though.

“Bresnahan was an over-slot signee out of high school last year, which usually portends a lot of talent. But the over-slot deal was for $375,000 and Bresnahan was picked in the 13th round of the draft. He’s a 6-foot-4-inch left-hander with low-90s velocity on a fastball with vertical movement, plus a promising slider and changeup. There isn’t much more physical projection on his frame, so that might be it in terms of velocity, but you never know.”

 

[calsnowskier]

No. He only threw more than 83 pitches in one of those starts. Cy Young caliber pitchers go deeper in a pitch count than that, even in this era. If you can't count on him to go at least 90 pitches, he's not giving you a Cy Young performance.

Welcome to 2024.

 

[calsnowskier]

Their farm system is loaded but yeah with Cobb’s recent injuries is a bit of a head scratcher. The rotation has been pretty bad so any help is needed. Won’t see how the deal looks in full for 3-4 years but nice for SF

If Cleveland does anything this year, and if Cobb delivers decent innings, I think You can consider it a win right away. Cobb was an absolute stud as recently as last season. If he is able to get back from his, admittedly major, injuries, you have a top of the rotation pitcher.

 

[calsnowskier]

“Bresnahan was an over-slot signee out of high school last year, which usually portends a lot of talent. But the over-slot deal was for $375,000 and Bresnahan was picked in the 13th round of the draft. He’s a 6-foot-4-inch left-hander with low-90s velocity on a fastball with vertical movement, plus a promising slider and changeup. There isn’t much more physical projection on his frame, so that might be it in terms of velocity, but you never know.”

Junk pitchers, I think, are the new fire ballers. Every team has 15 guys who can throw high 90s. I think the pendulum could be swinging back to junkers.

If he already has 3 + pitches at 19, that could be huge. Even if he just becomes a 7th inning guy, there is a lot of value in that.

 

[Shanemansj13]

There is a twitter account that has a model for trade values.

Baseball Trade Values: Accurate Player Trade Values

According to their model, LA vastly overpaid for Flaherty.

 

[Shanemansj13]

 

[mr.hockey4242]

There is a twitter account that has a model for trade values.

Baseball Trade Values: Accurate Player Trade Values

According to their model, LA vastly overpaid for Flaherty.

That model is stupid and made up.

They have the orioles as getting a steal too

 

[calsnowskier]

I like their take on the Soler trade. I don’t agree that it was as one-sided as they show, but it makes me feel better about the deadline.

 

[Shanemansj13]

That model is stupid and made up.

They have the orioles as getting a steal too

Either way it is dependent on projections of minor leaguers. We won’t know until years later the true value

 

[molsaniceman]

Either way it is dependent on projections of minor leaguers. We won’t know until years later the true value

they said on tv last night that since 2013 that 633 prospects had been traded at the deadline and 23 became impact players

 

[Shanemansj13]

they said on tv last night that since 2013 that 633 prospects had been traded at the deadline and 23 became impact players

"impact players" could mean a lot of different things.

Impact players for that team or in general?
What is their definition of an impact player?

Role players mean a lot in baseball so that really tells us nothing. It's a circle jerk of unknown questions lol

 

[calsnowskier]

"impact players" could mean a lot of different things.

Impact players for that team or in general?
What is their definition of an impact player?

Role players mean a lot in baseball so that really tells us nothing. It's a circle jerk of unknown questions lol

It also treats toss-in long shots the same as BBA top 10 players.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

they said on tv last night that since 2013 that 633 prospects had been traded at the deadline and 23 became impact players

The Orioles fire sale in 2018 was not great for the Orioles in the scheme of things, but when you look at the players dealt to them, how would you qualify these:

Dean Kremer: solid #4 starter on a contender, isn’t that impactful?

Evan Phillips: Not great for us, but a shutdown reliever for LAD. Is that impactful, or not because relievers don’t get a lot of WAR?

Gotta have some sort of qualification you can defend. I’d argue that both of them are extremely impactful.

 

[WiggyRuss]

The Orioles fire sale in 2018 was not great for the Orioles in the scheme of things, but when you look at the players dealt to them, how would you qualify these:

Dean Kremer: solid #4 starter on a contender, isn’t that impactful?

Evan Phillips: Not great for us, but a shutdown reliever for LAD. Is that impactful, or not because relievers don’t get a lot of WAR?

Gotta have some sort of qualification you can defend. I’d argue that both of them are extremely impactful.

the low WAR for relivers is a little wild

Clase's WAR is a little more than 2 for the season---- It is hard for me to believe if they had a replacement level player as a closer they would only be about 2 games worse.

 

[molsaniceman]

The Orioles fire sale in 2018 was not great for the Orioles in the scheme of things, but when you look at the players dealt to them, how would you qualify these:

Dean Kremer: solid #4 starter on a contender, isn’t that impactful?

Evan Phillips: Not great for us, but a shutdown reliever for LAD. Is that impactful, or not because relievers don’t get a lot of WAR?

Gotta have some sort of qualification you can defend. I’d argue that both of them are extremely impactful.

they never said who the 23 players were but i doubt kremer or phillips were on the list
btw phillips stinks now

 

[Shanemansj13]

they never said who the 23 players were but i doubt kremer or phillips were on the list
btw phillips stinks now

He’s 29 and battled through injuries this year and as a pitcher, injuries can really screw with your season. Also a lot of RP’s have up and down careers

 

[ThomasTomasz]

the low WAR for relivers is a little wild

Clase's WAR is a little more than 2 for the season---- It is hard for me to believe if they had a replacement level player as a closer they would only be about 2 games worse.

Oh yeah, you take Clase out of the closer role and replace him with a replacement player, that would be terrible.

It would be nice if the WAR formula could be adjusted for reliever leverage, but that would eliminate some of the arguments from people that you shouldn’t have bullpen hierarchy and the best reliever should be used in the most leveraged situation.