POLL Why are people obsessed with Michael Jordan?

[msgkings322]

Father Time is undefeated. Brady's no different. I'm not old enough to remember Johnny U in SD. But I can see it ending badly for TB in TB.

Montana was pretty good with KC, but he wasn't 43

 

[Peter Gozintite]

i edited my post above. we reached her immunity some time ago, they just wont tell us. doesnt fit the scary TV narrative.

heres one form saturday. the book is a private joke.

6, 1, 2,
5, 3, 4

 

[trojanfan12]

Makes sense. This is the first 420 since I got to CO. that I won't got to my dispensary. Got everything I need for today a few weeks ago.

We decided that we needed out of the house, so went to a storefront collective.

Just got back with 2 Bazooka Blunts, 2 24k Atomik Pre-Rolls, a 500mg edible and 5 grams of Private Reserve OG.

Because we spent $100 we got a goody bag that had an 1/8 of Blue Dream, pre-roll of Girl Scout Cookie #4, indicreme (topical), an edible and a pretty cool lighter.

Probably not going anywhere for the rest of the day. lol

 

[Wamu]

We decided that we needed out of the house, so went to a storefront collective.

Just got back with 2 Bazooka Blunts, 2 24k Atomik Pre-Rolls, a 500mg edible and 5 grams of Private Reserve OG.

Because we spent $100 we got a goody bag that had an 1/8 of Blue Dream, pre-roll of Girl Scout Cookie #4, indicreme (topical), an edible and a pretty cool lighter.

Probably not going anywhere for the rest of the day. lol

That's a nice deal. Eat the entire edible right now. My 420 goodies are that can of root beer (100 mg's) I mentioned earlier & did pick up two 1/2 grams live resin from my dispensary. An indica- Grand Daddy Purps (91% THC). And a hybrid- Cool Mint (95% THC). There's no way I'm going anywhere. Just the way I planned it.

 

[tlance]

Didn't you forget someone?

Someone named Larry?

No I didn’t.

Larry Bird was great. Top 10 all time.

Not on the short list in the GOAT conversation though.

 

[thunderc]

No I didn’t.

Larry Bird was great. Top 10 all time.

Not on the short list in the GOAT conversation though.

The list has one name on it, but if it were bigger than that Bird would be on it. His back cost him a lot though.

 

[tlance]

The list has one name on it, but if it were bigger than that Bird would be on it. His back cost him a lot though.

It can’t have 1 name on it.

Because LeBron didn’t play against MJ. There is no debate about who was the best in MJ’s era, just as there is no debate about who has been the best in the current era.

Since they never played, there will always be room for debate.

 

[msgkings322]

It can’t have 1 name on it.

Because LeBron didn’t play against MJ. There is no debate about who was the best in MJ’s era, just as there is no debate about who has been the best in the current era.

Since they never played, there will always be room for debate.

No silly, when thunderc has an opinion it's obviously correct and inarguably so.

 

[thunderc]

It can’t have 1 name on it.

Because LeBron didn’t play against MJ. There is no debate about who was the best in MJ’s era, just as there is no debate about who has been the best in the current era.

Since they never played, there will always be room for debate.

Agree to disagree, I’ve seen both of their careers start to finish. Never saw Lebron completely own 5 hall of famers and had them admit it.

 

[tlance]

Agree to disagree, I’ve seen both of their careers start to finish. Never saw Lebron completely own 5 hall of famers and had them admit it.

Sure you have. They just aren’t in the HOF yet.

I don’t have LeBron above MJ. But to say it isn’t debatable is sill. Of course it’s debateable.

 

[thunderc]

Sure you have. They just aren’t in the HOF yet.

I don’t have LeBron above MJ. But to say it isn’t debatable is sill. Of course it’s debateable.

anything is debatable I guess, it’s a short debate though in my opinion.

 

[Robotech]

anything is debatable I guess, it’s a short debate though in my opinion.

There's a good argument for LeBron. He carried teams that would've won like 20 games without him. Some will say so what because those teams he carried didn't end up winning titles, but it's still a monument to his greatness. Really there is no right or wrong answer on who is number 1 between MJ and LeBron.

If we want to look at something objective, I like the box score plus minus stat. Here Jordan is number 1 slightly. Like most stats, there is probably something that it is missing, and having better teammates probably helps this individual stat. Also, I don't know if this stat was tracked in Wilt's day and if it captured all of Kareem's career.

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Box Plus/Minus | Basketball-Reference.com

 

[Robotech]

It's nice to see Chris Paul, John Stockton, and Stephen Curry so high on the BPM list. It goes to show that you don't have to be a giant to stand next to the other greats. And Russell Westbrook is pretty high considering his relative inefficiency compared to other great players.

 

[msgkings322]

It's nice to see Chris Paul, John Stockton, and Stephen Curry so high on the BPM list. It goes to show that you don't have to be a giant to stand next to the other greats. And Russell Westbrook is pretty high considering his relative inefficiency compared to other great players.

Isn't that because assists are a big deal in that stat?

 

[Robotech]

The list has one name on it, but if it were bigger than that Bird would be on it. His back cost him a lot though.

Longevity doesn't make a player great, but I think extra credit goes to the greats who played longer as long as they were still playing at a high level in those extra years. For that reason, I think Bird and Magic are disqualified from being considered for number 1, but even on a bigger list, I think you probably should give the nod to players who played longer if you think that their careers were about equal to Bird and Magic.

Isn't that because assists are a big deal in that stat?

Probably, since it means that a 2 point or 3 point basket was scored. I wonder if that stat tracks passes that led to points but did not get credited with an assist (e.g., the player who received the pass gets fouled and shoots free throws). And does it capture hockey assists?

 

[thunderc]

There's a good argument for LeBron. He carried teams that would've won like 20 games without him. Some will say so what because those teams he carried didn't end up winning titles, but it's still a monument to his greatness. Really there is no right or wrong answer on who is number 1 between MJ and LeBron.

If we want to look at something objective, I like the box score plus minus stat. Here Jordan is number 1 slightly. Like most stats, there is probably something that it is missing, and having better teammates probably helps this individual stat. Also, I don't know if this stat was tracked in Wilt's day and if it captured all of Kareem's career.

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Box Plus/Minus | Basketball-Reference.com

Sorry but I have to disagree. 6-0 in the finals never going to a game 7 and 6 series MVPs sets him apart. Then there is the eye factor, I saw them both and a lot. Lebron would have to rattle off three straight titles to get in the conversation for me. When you just deep down know what you saw there is just not any doubt with me. Just my opinion but it won’t be changed, I’ve seen enough. Honestly Kobe is ahead of Lebron in my opinion.

 

[msgkings322]

Sorry but I have to disagree. 6-0 in the finals never going to a game 7 and 6 series MVPs sets him apart. Then there is the eye factor, I saw them both and a lot. Lebron would have to rattle off three straight titles to get in the conversation for me. When you just deep down know what you saw there is just not any doubt with me. Just my opinion but it won’t be changed, I’ve seen enough. Honestly Kobe is ahead of Lebron in my opinion.

I love this journey for you

 

[tlance]

Sorry but I have to disagree. 6-0 in the finals never going to a game 7 and 6 series MVPs sets him apart. Then there is the eye factor, I saw them both and a lot. Lebron would have to rattle off three straight titles to get in the conversation for me. When you just deep down know what you saw there is just not any doubt with me. Just my opinion but it won’t be changed, I’ve seen enough. Honestly Kobe is ahead of Lebron in my opinion.

Nobody trying to change your mind on LeBron vs. MJ.

But honestly the last sentence is irrational. Hard to make a logical case to support that beyond 1 team accomplishment.

 

[Robotech]

Sorry but I have to disagree. 6-0 in the finals never going to a game 7 and 6 series MVPs sets him apart. Then there is the eye factor, I saw them both and a lot. Lebron would have to rattle off three straight titles to get in the conversation for me. When you just deep down know what you saw there is just not any doubt with me. Just my opinion but it won’t be changed, I’ve seen enough. Honestly Kobe is ahead of Lebron in my opinion.

LeBron has made it to 9 Finals, including 8 in a row. He could make it 10 this year. That means something. Finals losses shouldn't downgrade a player's legacy. A lot of factors go into which team wins the Finals. And how do we know that Lebron's teams wouldn't have gone 6-0 against Jordan's Finals opponents?

Kobe is a true great, but if we take emotion out of it, then he really shouldn't be top 10, and I don't think there are many people who would leave LeBron out of the top 10.

 

[thunderc]

Nobody trying to change your mind on LeBron vs. MJ.

But honestly the last sentence is irrational. Hard to make a logical case to support that beyond 1 team accomplishment.

Fair, I’ll rephrase. Lebron will never be thought of as being as clutch as a lot of others, that’s where I have Kobe over him.