Game Thread: Week 18 Season Finale: Seahawks vs Rams

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I believe I did answer that. I said that Cowherd had speculated that the Hawks trade a 2nd and a 4th for him. I doubt that would be enough to get him but who knows?


He wasn't nearly as good in Pittsburgh as you are suggesting. I've watched Fields a fair amount and I've never found him all that impressive. Now I could certainly be wrong and if the coaches see something in him, I'm fine with making the move. But I don't think that Fields would do well with this offensive line.

Again, I don't care what Cowherd speculated. If you don't think that's enough that what is?

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I would love to move on from Geno with a better QB. But hope and prayers aren't a solution.

Can't be afraid to move on. Gotta roll the dice.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

I actual loved having Geno as our Back-up and thought he was more than capable of playing .500 ball and maybe better for us if Wilson went down for a season. But i also am not fooking blind and know what a lame duck QB is. I was wrong I know it, i put faith in Geno when i shouldn't have. He is what he has always been a turnover prone QB with a great arm and a weak mind.

He's a good place holder but he's not we need now.

 

[Screamin12th]

He wasn't nearly as good in Pittsburgh as you are suggesting. I've watched Fields a fair amount and I've never found him all that impressive. Now I could certainly be wrong and if the coaches see something in him, I'm fine with making the move. But I don't think that Fields would do well with this offensive line.

Wow you watched nothing because when i saw how Fields was playing i figured Wilson lost his starting job before he ever played a regular season snap for the Steelers. Fields only had ONE GAME with a rating UNDER thats right UNDER 91.9! He had ZERO games where he threw more than 1 INT! Like i have stated Yards dont mean that much to me. If my QB throws for 175 yards and also RUNS for 60 yards I am fine with that if he is over 63% and has no turnovers.

Lets see Geno games under 91.9 rating 8! Geno games with more than 1 INT! 4. Geno games with at least 1 INT? 10!
and now Fields Games under 91.9 rating 1! Fields Games with more than 1 INT 0! Fields games with at least 1 INT 1!

AND HE IS ONLY 25 YEARS OLD! He is better now at 25 years old than Geno was at 25 and 34! lol

 

[Screamin12th]

He's a good place holder but he's not we need now.

Yep he is not what you need on a young team. He is not what you need on a team that is growing and can carry a young QB ( which we can with the skill position talent ). He is not a good bridge QB because he costs to much and turns the ball over WAY WAY to much. That kind of play can hurt your "YOUNG" team and derail EVERYTHING! To many times he all by himself sucked the life out of this team with stupid turnovers and mistakes, Missed WIDE OPEN WR's and bad throws into double AND triple coverage.

also this has to be said, He can't play under center. lol

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Yep he is not what you need on a young team. He is not what you need on a team that is growing and can carry a young QB ( which we can with the skill position talent ). He is not a good bridge QB because he costs to much and turns the ball over WAY WAY to much. That kind of play can hurt your "YOUNG" team and derail EVERYTHING! To many times he all by himself sucked the life out of this team with stupid turnovers and mistakes, Missed WIDE OPEN WR's and bad throws into double AND triple coverage.

also this has to be said, He can't play under center. lol

I always wonder if Pete was let go a year earlier if the FO would have made a trade to move up to the top spot and hopefully draft Stroud.

 

[Screamin12th]

I always wonder if Pete was let go a year earlier if the FO would have made a trade to move up to the top spot and hopefully draft Stroud.

Stroud had a down season, lets see if he bounces back next year. Or if he becomes a Rick Mire great rookie season then fades.

I still think this team could carry a middle of the pack type QB and make them look better than they are. Hell they did it the last 3 seasons with Geno LMAO! Not a joke either.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Stroud had a down season, lets see if he bounces back next year. Or if he becomes a Rick Mire great rookie season then fades.

That's fair.
Good ole Rick Mire, the next Joe Montana.

 

[WizardHawk]

Spoiler

Grubb back winning in a landslide - Geno by small lead

 

[Screamin12th]

Spoiler

Grubb back winning in a landslide - Geno by small lead

In todays world these online polls dont mean much. With in 15 minutes i could set up a script to put THOUSANDS of votes one way or another. Not saying its being done just that it could be done easily.

If Geno comes back it has to be for 25m or less and to be a back-up to a Young guy unless its a rookie but then do you really want Geno coaching up a rookie? LMAO not me. Don't want Geno in the ear of our QB unless it's him then he can talk into his own ear all he wants lol.

 

[flyerhawk]

Can't be afraid to move on. Gotta roll the dice.

I am perfectly fine with the team taking risks. Getting rid of Geno and hoping you hit on someone like Fields doesn't make much sense to me.

If they like Fields then they should bring him in and have him compete with Geno. Restructure Geno to get his cap hit more manageable. If not Fields, then draft someone. Hell even if they somehow were to get JJ I would still want Geno here for another year.

 

[JMR]

Well, appropriate end to the season I guess -- a moral victory to maybe make things look a tad bit better on paper than they really were? History made by being the first and -- so far -- only 10-win team missing the playoffs in the expanded 14 team format. Yay. Anyway, on the morning after, here's what's sticking with me:

• It wasn't a great day for the defense. Despite not having most of their main characters on offense, the Rams moved the ball well and scored points. In fact, they scored more on us in regulation yesterday than they did when they beat us in the first matchup. I expected a bit better, but they did make the plays they absolutely had to have.
• Good performance from Geno. Not prolific in terms of yardage, but he was efficient and made few mistakes. His play week to week is almost fully a function of pressure. If he has time, he's good. If dudes are in his face more than not, it gets a little messy. This is the case for probably all but 4 or 5 QBs in the league right now, and those guys are all making substantially more than what Geno is costing this team. All $6M in salary escalators achieved, to be paid as part of the 2025 roster bonus.
• I'm thinking this was TL's final career game. I wish it could have been in Seattle, and I wish he could have played a bigger role in the win. Nonetheless, it was great to see his last couple catches and reflect on a great run with the Hawks. Next stop: ROH.
• Not sure I recall a game off-hand where 2 different TEs caught TDs. Increased TE usage lately is good to see because it might be a necessity next year after what the off-season may do to the WR room. Barner continues to look promising.
• I'm convinced a 1-2 punch of Charbs & McIntosh is just as effective as Walker & Charbs. It might even be better. I really haven't missed Walker at all. He's a talented dude, but he often struggled to use those skills & abilities this season. If we re-insert him as RB1 next year, I hope he reverts to rookie year form. If they can move him for a mid-round pick, that's ok as well. We cannot afford to have our main RB avg less than 4 ypc.
• Woolen finally tried to make a physical play on a ball-carrier, and of course it knocked him out of the game. Buh-bye. He isn't likely to get cut or maybe not even traded, but he just doesn't fit in this defense. He's cheap for 1 more year, then he'll be moving along. If a team out there offers anything for him, I would support it.
• Best season of Leonard Williams' career ends with another strong performance as he is the first double digit sack guy on the Hawks since 2018. I suspect he'll get a Pro Bowl nod as an injury fill-in, though it shouldn't have come to that with the year he's had.

Now I'll sit on the couch care-free and enjoy the entirety of the playoffs. I will pull for the Steelers in the AFC, but they've hit the skids here lately. Just please someone beat KC.

 

[JMR]

If Geno is back in 2025 (and I think he will be), he's the starter. There is just no way we are going to pay him to sit on the bench, and there is also no way we would pay him *and* sign any other free agent of consequence to come here to compete for the job. We aren't paying 2 QBs. Sorry Geno haters, but the most likely scenario is Geno is your 2025 starter. And I'm not sure why that's cause for panic. It doesn't mean we can't also trade for McCarthy or make a move in the draft. But we aren't going into the draft with Howell as our experienced QB, and you're also not going into the next season with a 1st year starter while you're paying Geno.

 

[flyerhawk]

Wow you watched nothing because when i saw how Fields was playing i figured Wilson lost his starting job before he ever played a regular season snap for the Steelers. Fields only had ONE GAME with a rating UNDER thats right UNDER 91.9! He had ZERO games where he threw more than 1 INT! Like i have stated Yards dont mean that much to me. If my QB throws for 175 yards and also RUNS for 60 yards I am fine with that if he is over 63% and has no turnovers.

Running QBs don't win in the NFL, certainly not in the playoffs. Fields had a QBR of 51. I guess that stat is only sometimes useful. Fields is not an accurate downfield thrower and he's tentative because of that.

Lets see Geno games under 91.9 rating 8! Geno games with more than 1 INT! 4. Geno games with at least 1 INT? 10!
and now Fields Games under 91.9 rating 1! Fields Games with more than 1 INT 0! Fields games with at least 1 INT 1!

AND HE IS ONLY 25 YEARS OLD! He is better now at 25 years old than Geno was at 25 and 34! lol

LOL! OK. Sure. Your obsessive hate of Geno has completely blinded you.

 

[flyerhawk]

If Geno is back in 2025 (and I think he will be), he's the starter. There is just no way we are going to pay him to sit on the bench, and there is also no way we would pay him *and* sign any other free agent of consequence to come here to compete for the job. We aren't paying 2 QBs. Sorry Geno haters, but the most likely scenario is Geno is your 2025 starter. And I'm not sure why that's cause for panic. It doesn't mean we can't also trade for McCarthy or make a move in the draft. But we aren't going into the draft with Howell as our experienced QB, and you're also not going into the next season with a 1st year starter while you're paying Geno.

The Seahawks aren't going to bring in a free agent QB to replace Geno. I don't think there is a chance they bring in Aaron Rodgers, for instance. They aren't bringing in Kirk Cousins either.

I could see them bring in Zach Wilson or Justin Fields. But they would be slated to be the backup and would need to actually beat out Geno for the starting job.

We do need to find the QB of the future since Geno ain't that. But the smart play would be to get that player now and have him be ready to replace Geno.

It is foolish to think the Seahawks are going to cut Geno, eat 13 million in cap space, and pray that whoever they find in FA will be as good or better than Geno.

 

[flyerhawk]

Well, appropriate end to the season I guess -- a moral victory to maybe make things look a tad bit better on paper than they really were? History made by being the first and -- so far -- only 10-win team missing the playoffs in the expanded 14 team format. Yay. Anyway, on the morning after, here's what's sticking with me:

• It wasn't a great day for the defense. Despite not having most of their main characters on offense, the Rams moved the ball well and scored points. In fact, they scored more on us in regulation yesterday than they did when they beat us in the first matchup. I expected a bit better, but they did make the plays they absolutely had to have.
• Woolen finally tried to make a physical play on a ball-carrier, and of course it knocked him out of the game. Buh-bye. He isn't likely to get cut or maybe not even traded, but he just doesn't fit in this defense. He's cheap for 1 more year, then he'll be moving along. If a team out there offers anything for him, I would support it.

Just want to point out that the defense was playing pretty well until Woolen went out and after that they couldn't stop them at all. Of course Jobe was already out so our corners were depleted and we saw the results of that.

• Good performance from Geno. Not prolific in terms of yardage, but he was efficient and made few mistakes. His play week to week is almost fully a function of pressure. If he has time, he's good. If dudes are in his face more than not, it gets a little messy. This is the case for probably all but 4 or 5 QBs in the league right now, and those guys are all making substantially more than what Geno is costing this team. All $6M in salary escalators achieved, to be paid as part of the 2025 roster bonus

Completely agree. His performance is driven entirely by how effective his protection is. Which is true of most QBs.

• I'm thinking this was TL's final career game. I wish it could have been in Seattle, and I wish he could have played a bigger role in the win. Nonetheless, it was great to see his last couple catches and reflect on a great run with the Hawks. Next stop: ROH.

TL said he wants to play another year. We'll see that that means.

• Not sure I recall a game off-hand where 2 different TEs caught TDs. Increased TE usage lately is good to see because it might be a necessity next year after what the off-season may do to the WR room. Barner continues to look promising.
• I'm convinced a 1-2 punch of Charbs & McIntosh is just as effective as Walker & Charbs. It might even be better. I really haven't missed Walker at all. He's a talented dude, but he often struggled to use those skills & abilities this season. If we re-insert him as RB1 next year, I hope he reverts to
• Best season of Leonard Williams' career ends with another strong performance as he is the first double digit sack guy on the Hawks since 2018. I suspect he'll get a Pro Bowl nod as an injury fill-in, though it shouldn't have come to that with the year he's had.

Now I'll sit on the couch care-free and enjoy the entirety of the playoffs. I will pull for the Steelers in the AFC, but they've hit the skids here lately. Just please someone beat KC.

Agree with all of these points.

 

[JMR]

The Seahawks aren't going to bring in a free agent QB to replace Geno. I don't think there is a chance they bring in Aaron Rodgers, for instance. They aren't bringing in Kirk Cousins either.

I could see them bring in Zach Wilson or Justin Fields. But they would be slated to be the backup and would need to actually beat out Geno for the starting job.

We do need to find the QB of the future since Geno ain't that. But the smart play would be to get that player now and have him be ready to replace Geno.

It is foolish to think the Seahawks are going to cut Geno, eat 13 million in cap space, and pray that whoever they find in FA will be as good or better than Geno.

I agree on all points. A free agent add will be nothing but a cheap flyer on a 2nd chance player. If we draft a potential long term QB or trade for someone like McCarthy or Milton, they aren't going to be starting right away in all likelihood. Macdonald just became the first coach in franchise history to begin his tenure with 10 wins. He has the defense on path to be really good. He isn't going to now turn around and create turbulence on offense by getting rid of his vet QB because we need to "roll the dice."

One note: with Geno hitting the $6M in escalators, it looks like his 2025 cap hit is now scheduled to be $44M. Gotta level the bubble a bit on that, which I am sure will be the case if he's still here. Keeping him in the 13% of overall cap range probably means a cap hit of about $35M. Doable.

 

[JMR]

TL said he wants to play another year. We'll see that that means.

Surprising. He's started a family and a real estate career in the PNW. Players with kids do move, but I don't know if I see him being apart from his family for half the year just to play another season somewhere. I guess we'll see.

 

[flyerhawk]

I agree on all points. A free agent add will be nothing but a cheap flyer on a 2nd chance player. If we draft a potential long term QB or trade for someone like McCarthy or Milton, they aren't going to be starting right away in all likelihood. Macdonald just became the first coach in franchise history to begin his tenure with 10 wins. He has the defense on path to be really good. He isn't going to now turn around and create turbulence on offense by getting rid of his vet QB because we need to "roll the dice."

One note: with Geno hitting the $6M in escalators, it looks like his 2025 cap hit is now scheduled to be $44M. Gotta level the bubble a bit on that, which I am sure will be the case if he's still here. Keeping him in the 13% of overall cap range probably means a cap hit of about $35M. Doable.

They need to restructure his contract. Add a void year and convert his salary to bonus and his cap hit will be about 21 million. It would mean a 21 dead cap hit next year. But it would be a 13.5 million dead cap hit this year if we cut him anyway.

 

[flyerhawk]

Surprising. He's started a family and a real estate career in the PNW. Players with kids do move, but I don't know if I see him being apart from his family for half the year just to play another season somewhere. I guess we'll see.

Yeah. He could also change his mind once the season ends and he's not getting that live game energy rush.