So, Who's the moron that said the Lakers are the better-operated franchise than the Cavs?

[Black Adam]

Yeah, I actively rooted against Derek Fisher when he was on our team. I hated him.

That's why it's so incredibly funny that Cane called me a coat-tail rider of the Lakers. I've gotta be in the top 5 on this board of guys who actively hate the Lakers, but you'd never guess it from my posts.

now you know how I feel about LeClown being on my roster...

 

[WiggyRuss]

NBA Rumors: Lakers Are ‘Not Aligned On Any Level’ Heading Into Offseason, Per Adrian Wojnarowski

As cited by Bleacher Report, ESPN‘s Adrian Wojnarowski described the Lakers in a video posted on Thursday as an organization that is “not aligned really on any level” at this point, where superstar forward LeBron James has been shut down for the season and the team has just four games to play. In specific, the ESPN NBA insider detailed how the team’s chain of command has been an issue, with team owner Jeanie Buss, president Earvin “Magic” Johnson, general manager Rob Pelinka, head coach Luke Walton, and James all allegedly unable to see eye-to-eye on matters.


Lakers are def one of the worst organizations out there right now.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

We get it.

You don't like building through the draft. You would prefer teams plod around .500 for years at a time trying to get marginally better each year until they eventually fall apart and lose a couple core pieces.

Building through the draft doesn't always work. But when you look at the top teams in the NBA today, most got there because they built their core through the draft, then added a couple smart trades or FA acquisitions to fill in the holes. All of these teams were built that way:

Golden State
Denver
Portland
Utah
Milwaukee
Philly
Boston

And yeah, there are certainly plenty of examples where it doesn't work. But I would rather my team go the Minnesota route than the Charlotte route any day of the week.

Nope, not at all. I got no problem with building through the draft if the time is right. I have a big problem with shameless tanking for a "maybe" prize than has less than five percent of a chance to come to fruition.

Just because Philly reaped the benefits of Embiid's early-career injuries doesn't mean it's going to happen for just any rinky dink organization. The Suns got the #1 pick last summer and are actually worse than they were last year at the same time. That's the scenario that's far more likely than the Philly one.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

LOL, coat-tailer? I've been a Warrior fan since 92, and suffered all the years in the nose-bleeds. I've witnessed my franchise only recently have success and have had many seasons where our only optimism was hoping Monta Ellis might get considered for an All Star nod, or if our draft pick would end up to be the next big thing (hint, they never were).

Do you know I fucking hate the Lakers? Their fans have given us the most shit for years. I hate Kobe. I like Shaq, but who doesn't. Other than that I could give a rat fuck about anyone who's played for the Lakers. And even I disagree with your assessment. I hope every year the Lakers are in the absolute shitter and nothing would please me more. But that doesn't mean I can't be objective about an actual basketball situation. So how the fuck could you consider me riding an LA bandwagon?

So keep being big mad that everyone here doesn't ride your jock about your stupid hot takes that are intended for just a rise. I've actually tried to engage you in discussion, but you act like a child with responses. It's clear you don't want to engage in actual basketball discussion any further, so that's cool. I'll treat your future threads as such.

No, numbfuck. By cotailing I mean doing so for tlance. There is a group of about six or seven posters on this page that very seldom form their own opinions. And you are one of them.

 

[tlance]

No, numbfuck. By cotailing I mean doing so for tlance. There is a group of about six or seven posters on this page that very seldom form their own opinions. And you are one of them.

Why so rude?

@CitySushi might be the best poster here. His knowledge of the game shines through in every post and generally does a pretty good staying out of the mud until someone like you attacks him for no reason. He is objective when he isn't joking about future Warrior lineups of Curry's MVP count and he gets along with some of the most difficult people here.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

LOL, coat-tailer? I've been a Warrior fan since 92, and suffered all the years in the nose-bleeds. I've witnessed my franchise only recently have success and have had many seasons where our only optimism was hoping Monta Ellis might get considered for an All Star nod, or if our draft pick would end up to be the next big thing (hint, they never were).

Do you know I fucking hate the Lakers? Their fans have given us the most shit for years. I hate Kobe. I like Shaq, but who doesn't. Other than that I could give a rat fuck about anyone who's played for the Lakers. And even I disagree with your assessment. I hope every year the Lakers are in the absolute shitter and nothing would please me more. But that doesn't mean I can't be objective about an actual basketball situation. So how the fuck could you consider me riding an LA bandwagon?

So keep being big mad that everyone here doesn't ride your jock about your stupid hot takes that are intended for just a rise. I've actually tried to engage you in discussion, but you act like a child with responses. It's clear you don't want to engage in actual basketball discussion any further, so that's cool. I'll treat your future threads as such.

Based on your previous posts, I would have never known you hated the Lakers, but I do understand and I am even happy for the Warriors success. Eventually the Lakers will turn it around. It's already been 9 years - but one or two championships ever 10 years is something I can live it

 

[True Lakers Fan]

I hated Luke Walton as a player. He was one I despised. But that list is incredibly long. Derek Fisher, Sasha Vujavic, Jordan Farmar, Rick Fox, Devean George, etc.

Pretty much if you wore a Laker jersey I hated you. Smush is koo though because I hate Kobe too. LOL.

I never liked Luke Walton - not that great of a player. Rick Fox, however was far better then Derek Fisher. Jordan Farmar, Devean George are players that made the Lakers worse - You should have liked them

 

[CitySushi]

I never liked Luke Walton - not that great of a player. Rick Fox, however was far better then Derek Fisher. Jordan Farmar, Devean George are players that made the Lakers worse - You should have liked them

I’m general yeah they were bad but for some reason they always did well against us. Probably because we sucked. All the role players for the Lakers always seemed to kill us. But it was mostly about the Jersey.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

I’m general yeah they were bad but for some reason they always did well against us. Probably because we sucked. All the role players for the Lakers always seemed to kill us. But it was mostly about the Jersey.

You had bad ownership - Once the ownership changed, the new guys were serious about building a winning team

 

[shopson67]

You had bad ownership - Once the ownership changed, the new guys were serious about building a winning team

...and being bad consistently finally paid off with the right draft picks.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

...and being bad consistently finally paid off with the right draft picks.

That's where the new ownership came in though - The Clippers were among the teams getting the best draft picks or top five anyway for over 20 years. The Warriors got the right picks, but they also made the right decisions in putting a supporting cast around them and they made the right decisions in who to trade and who not to trade thanks to Jerry West. It wasn't about just those picks - it was about making good choices from the beginning to the last player, coach and etc. What I thought was so retarded about Cane's last troll thread about those saying the Lakers organization - is that no one has said the Lakers were a better operated ball club in the last 10 years. They were before that - but not recently, but sometimes he simply talks stupid

 

[shopson67]

That's where the new ownership came in though - The Clippers were among the teams getting the best draft picks or top five anyway for over 20 years. The Warriors got the right picks, but they also made the right decisions in putting a supporting cast around them and they made the right decisions in who to trade and who not to trade thanks to Jerry West. It wasn't about just those picks - it was about making good choices from the beginning to the last player, coach and etc. What I thought was so retarded about Cane's last troll thread about those saying the Lakers organization - is that no one has said the Lakers were a better operated ball club in the last 10 years. They were before that - but not recently, but sometimes he simply talks stupid

If there's one thing the Lakers have done pretty well of late, it's the draft. Some slow-developing players, but they all appear to be coming into their own. Ball needs more time, but I liked what I saw out of him the few games before his injury.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

If there's one thing the Lakers have done pretty well of late, it's the draft. Some slow-developing players, but they all appear to be coming into their own. Ball needs more time, but I liked what I saw out of him the few games before his injury.

I dont have high Hope's for him, unless he can develop better shooting

 

[CitySushi]

No, numbfuck. By cotailing I mean doing so for tlance. There is a group of about six or seven posters on this page that very seldom form their own opinions. And you are one of them.

Alright, last post to you since we're obviously not going to see eye to eye ever...

You're basically the mom's basement version of Skip Bayless. You created a blog which no one cares about, so you come on to this site and post non-nonsensical threads directly to cause drama. It's unfortunate that your self-esteem when it comes to basketball is so low that instead of posting to engage debate, you simply troll now.

The only person you respect or posts that you like is @WiggyRuss because you feel since he gets attacked here a lot you guys have something in common. But even Wiggy doesn't support a lot of your stupid ass threads either. And as much as he and I disagree, about 80% of actual basketball content we can have civilized debates even if we disagree with each other. I actual respect his knowledge and even if I don't agree with it, he at least backs his opinion up with evidence.

Plus, your actual response to my last post shows that you didn't even read what I wrote in my original post which you facepalmed. All you did was look to see I posted something and just assumed it was negative. My post wasn't even negative to you at all but because you've got such a low basketball IQ you couldn't separate anything I wrote individually. You just lumped it together in order to help your own narrative about me.

I'm just disappointed. I thought originally you were a quality poster and appreciated some of what you wrote. I haven't personally attacked you before yet you've resorted to childish responses for no reason. It's cool though, at least I know you don't intend to ever actually have basketball conversation. You're looking for validation, none of which you'll actually get unless you pander to specific posters. I get it. My mistake.

 

[shopson67]

I dont have high Hope's for him, unless he can develop better shooting

I think that's more about confidence for him than anything. He was playing much more aggressively before the injury, which can only be a good sign IMO. He's already solid in the other phases of the game.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

I think that's more about confidence for him than anything. He was playing much more aggressively before the injury, which can only be a good sign IMO. He's already solid in the other phases of the game.

He can't shoot - and he doesn't shoot correctly. The mechanics of his shot are deeply flawed. Unless those are fixed, He will never be a great or all time player. Good at the best

 

[trojanfan12]

If there's one thing the Lakers have done pretty well of late, it's the draft. Some slow-developing players, but they all appear to be coming into their own. Ball needs more time, but I liked what I saw out of him the few games before his injury.

I've found it both equal parts hilarious and hypocritical that some of the same folks who criticize Lonzo will also say that it can take 3-5 years for a point guard to fully develop.

Ingram was playing all star caliber basketball when he had his clot issue.

 

[trojanfan12]

He can't shoot - and he doesn't shoot correctly. The mechanics of his shot are deeply flawed. Unless those are fixed, He will never be a great or all time player. Good at the best

He doesn't have to "shoot correctly" to be a good shooter. The NBA has had plenty of players who don't "shoot correctly" in the hall of fame

Jamaal "Silk" Wilkes and Reggie Miller both come to mind immediately.

When Lonzo is able to "just shoot his shot", he does fine. The problem is that he needs to be able to get the shot off comfortably and that's where the problem is when he is covered.

If he can keep basically the same shot, but he will need to raise his release point and/or be able to get his shot off quicker.

Imo, the bigger issue is his free throw shooting.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

He doesn't have to "shoot correctly" to be a good shooter. The NBA has had plenty of players who don't "shoot correctly" in the hall of fame

Jamaal "Silk" Wilkes and Reggie Miller both come to mind immediately.

When Lonzo is able to "just shoot his shot", he does fine. The problem is that he needs to be able to get the shot off comfortably and that's where the problem is when he is covered.

If he can keep basically the same shot, but he will need to raise his release point and/or be able to get his shot off quicker.

Imo, the bigger issue is his free throw shooting.

I think he has a lot of issues quite frankly and I think his dad did a really good job of selling Lonzo as something much better than he is. That isn't to say Lonzo wont become a better player, but he definitely is not the "LeBron James" or "Magic Johnson" that they were making him out to be. The issues or questions I have

1. Injuries is my #1 concern - He is weak and frail - His body is not developed enough to play a man's game - He definitely needs to work on his body and put some muscles on him - Brandon Ingram is another one

2. Free Throw Shooting - yes that's a problem - I think I will be hearing Hack A Lonzo

3. I am not arguing that he can't develop a good shot - but he hasn't done that yet and He hasn't looked confident to me. His points per game combined with rebounds and assists are fairly decent - but the shooting has to improve better for him to be an all star.

For now I think he is a work in process and still two years away from being what everyone thought he would do in the first year and to me - I just don't see the greatness in him that some were expecting - Good yes, but much better in free agent and definitely over-rated some

 

[True Lakers Fan]

I've found it both equal parts hilarious and hypocritical that some of the same folks who criticize Lonzo will also say that it can take 3-5 years for a point guard to fully develop.

Ingram was playing all star caliber basketball when he had his clot issue.

As I understand that situation which is really good news for the young man is the blood clot issue was the result of his injury and is not expected to be an issue going forward. That happened to my mother when she was 85(she lived to be 90) and never had the problem again - so that is encouraging to me