The Case Against MJ as the GOAT (topical discussion only please)

[Jordan23]

Not to mention the changes in rules and style of play that helped to elevate these players.

Facts are what facts are. They rewrote what is and isn't traveling in order to help elevate Jordan's game. Don't blame them. It got more people watching and made the NBA more money. I would have done the same thing.

Whoow are you saying they made traveling easier to help MJ? Lmao, please tell me what they did for today’s players then to help them. They get away with one dribble fill court in today’s game

 

[MAGA2024]

MJ fans use blinders to view his career as:
- 63 points in a playoff game (they leave out that they lost the game and ther Bulls were swept)
- “The Shot” (they leave out the Bulls lost in the next round)
- Free throw line dunk in the dunk contest (they leave out it had already been done earlier in the contest, and it was done in earlier contests from greater distance than Jordan)
- 6 years where they won championships
- Ridiculous assumptions that “he would have won 2 more if he didn’t retire” (While forgetting that Jordan came back in 1994-95 and the Bulls lost to the Shaq/Penny Magic rather convincingly)
- The Wizards thing? Didn’t happen

They basically choose to use like 7 years of his career and imprint that on his entire career. Jordan had a historic prime, but outside of it he was just a volume scorer who couldn’t get his team past the elite squads

- No reason to bring up that the Bulls lost because this series was all about how second-year Jordan missed virtually the entire season, came back in time for the playoffs and in record-breaking fashion completely embarrassed a Celtics Dynasty stacked with 5 HOFERS, when nobody "expected" the Bulls to even compete in those games. Jordan, of course, went beyond competing as he took his game to "God" level (as Larry Bird said) and established himself as the best player in a game in just his second season. How is that God-level performance supposed to be a negative on MJ, again?

- The Shot" is legendary because of how clutch it was... again, why is that a knock on MJ?

- FT Dunk? If that's the best you got then you should be with me that Jordan is the undisputed GOAT without debate. BTW never heard that one before... who was doing these dunks back in the day from further out than Jordan?

- 6 Championships years, never once losing more than 2 games in a row, never going beyond 6 games in the Finals, a perfect 6-0 as the undisputed best and most valuable player on the team all 6 times. That's about as close to perfection as you'll ever see. What's not to love?

- No one knows if the Bulls would / would not have won if MJ didn't retire... either way it has no impact on MJ's GOAT status.

- The Wizard thing DID happen. So what? He came back to join a 19-win Wizards team as a 38-year old who hadn't played in 4 years. Read that again. The mere fact that he is held to ANY standard at all (under those circumstances) suggests that he's the GOAT hands-down. But if you wanna hold those 2 years against him, so be it I guess. MJ wasn't perfect, after all... the closest we've seen to perfection, but not quite.

...and yes, when Jordan had Charles Oakley (and rookie Scottie Pippen) as his best teammates he couldn't lead the Bulls past elite squads stacked with 4-5 HOFERS. Again, how is that a negative?

You do know that Larry Bird wasn't serious when he called Jordan "God", right... 'cause it seems like you're holding him to those standards.

 

[msgkings322]

Adam Silver has killed the NBA with all the woke racist stuff earlier n the decade combined with no new changes to create incentives to not shoot 50 3’s a game. Leagues make changes all the time. Silver is a corpse

Killed the what? The NBA is far from dead

 

[Jordan23]

- No reason to bring up that the Bulls lost because this series was all about how second-year Jordan missed virtually the entire season, came back in time for the playoffs and in record-breaking fashion completely embarrassed a Celtics Dynasty stacked with 5 HOFERS, when nobody "expected" the Bulls to even compete in those games. Jordan, of course, went beyond competing as he took his game to "God" level (as Larry Bird said) and established himself as the best player in a game in just his second season. How is that God-level performance supposed to be a negative on MJ, again?

- The Shot" is legendary because of how clutch it was... again, why is that a knock on MJ?

- FT Dunk? If that's the best you got then you should be with me that Jordan is the undisputed GOAT without debate. BTW never heard that one before... who was doing these dunks back in the day from further out than Jordan?

- 6 Championships years, never once losing more than 2 games in a row, never going beyond 6 games in the Finals, a perfect 6-0 as the undisputed best and most valuable player on the team all 6 times. That's about as close to perfection as you'll ever see. What's not to love?

- No one knows if the Bulls would / would not have won if MJ didn't retire... either way it has no impact on MJ's GOAT status.

- The Wizard thing DID happen. So what? He came back to join a 19-win Wizards team as a 38-year old who hadn't played in 4 years. Read that again. The mere fact that he is held to ANY standard at all (under those circumstances) suggests that he's the GOAT hands-down. But if you wanna hold those 2 years against him, so be it I guess. MJ wasn't perfect, after all... the closest we've seen to perfection, but not quite.

...and yes, when Jordan had Charles Oakley (and rookie Scottie Pippen) as his best teammates he couldn't lead the Bulls past elite squads stacked with 4-5 HOFERS. Again, how is that a negative?

You do know that Larry Bird wasn't serious when he called Jordan "God", right... 'cause it seems like you're holding him to those standards.

That’s too much for the leflop fans

 

[Jordan23]

Killed the what? The NBA is far from dead

Ratings are down but not dead

 

[msgkings322]

Ratings are down but not dead

Ratings are up bro

The finals probably not though this year for obvious reasons

 

[Jordan23]

Ratings are up bro

The finals probably not though this year for obvious reasons

Actually down this year from even last year but ok

 

[msgkings322]

Actually down this year from even last year but ok

Playoffs ratings much higher. Regular season much smaller decline

Cap keeps rising, team values keep rising, revenues keep rising. No one killed anything.

 

[Jordan23]

Playoffs ratings much higher. Regular season much smaller decline

Cap keeps rising, team values keep rising, revenues keep rising. No one killed anything.

Sure they make more money now. Think prices have changed on tickets and concessions etc at all? Marketing…..

 

[Wamu]

KD same thing yes

And yet no once have you cried & bitched about him the way you do about LeBron.

Hypocrite much? You sure do.

 

[Jordan23]

And yet no once have you cried & bitched about him the way you do about LeBron.

Hypocrite much? You sure do.

Nobody is nut hugging KD are they?

 

[dtgold88]

Didn’t say he joined AD his first year, I’m well aware he went there failed and had to get AD the next season cause he could do dog shit without him

In fact, yes, you claimed he did join a team with AD on it. I first claimed he joined a middling (or lesser talented) Laker team and you said "AD talentless team?"

You were wrong and got caught again. Seriously, how hard would it be to just own you messed up?

 

[dtgold88]

Nobody is nut hugging KD are they?

nope....nor Lebron either.

But you have a firm grip on MJs, nuts.

Ironic, huh?