The Case Against MJ as the GOAT (topical discussion only please)

[msgkings322]

Since you want to talk merely your rose-pedaled narrative about MJ in the series, Let's talk about it.

1. They were swept
2. Jordan scored a lot the first two games that series, but he also shot nearly double what most people shoot. Game 1 he shot 36 times for 49 points. His legendary Game 2 (Which was double OT, not in regulation), He shot 41 times for 63 points.
3. And, when it mattered most, Jordan fizzled in game 3 going 8-18 with 19 points.

If you're going to be cut-throat on Lebron, then you have to Cuthtorat on Jordan.
- Nobody cares he was injured, he was back, and he played
- He played an all-time great NBA team, and couldn't even get 1 win.
- He was not the "best player in the game" in 1986. Nobody thinks that but you, and it's very revealing that you claim that.
- It's not a knock against him, it's how Jordan pundits like to view the series. "He scored 63 points".. and leave out in double OT, they were swept, and he had a horrible game live-or-die game.

Jordan scored admirably, elitely. Nobody is saying otherwise. But your attempts to glaze it and narrate it as if you have a lotion bottle in front of an MJ poster is just ridiculous.

No knock. MJ pundits just reference it without acknowledging they were beat handily in the next round.

Dr. J was doing free throw dunks in the ABA in 1976.

Not really a monster stat.

I think there's a point to be made there, the Bulls were great at closing out series on the road.

Not true in 1995-96. He was only the best player on the court for 1 of those games.

I'm not saying not to love it, again.. MJ pundits just seem to try to spread those 6 years onto all of his years. Jordan lost a lot in the playoffs too. Meanwhile, I hate to say it, but if you're going flop out your "6 rings" point as some kind of gold standard, There's a guy named Bill Russell who has 11 of them, the alpha dog on his team.

It does in that he quit twice. I'd imagine you'd skewer Lebron if he took a year off. Again, you go cut-throat on Lebron, don't get all soft and fluffy with Michael. Many players have horrible things happen to them and their families and take few games off and are back on the floor. While I'm sure MJ was devastated by his father's death, I just question why he had to quit the sport if that's the reason, and it obviously wasn't the reason because he went to play baseball. So what was the reason? If you put on your anti-Lebron hat for a second, you'd say he's soft. (not to mention his tantrum of refusing to play on the Dream team if Isiah Thomas was on it.. now that's a sensitive snowflake)

So participating in the NBA suggests he's the GOAT hands down? That's about the dumbest thing I've read.

Based on what most MJ pundits do to Lebron.. saying he was "swept in the finals in 2007" (Losing to an all-time dynasty with a team that would have won 15 games without him), or "Lost to the Warriors in 2015" (without Kyrie and Kevin Love, having Delly and Z as his #2 options)... you can't have it both ways.

If we're going to go cut-throat.. no excuses. Jordan got swept, over and over again. If you're going to jack him, and only him, off for his successes, then we can crush him for his failures. He lost, he was a loser early in his career. He was an explosve volume scorer who couldnt get his team over the hump That was 80's MJ. I'll gladly use Lebron as an example of someone who was better than MJ in his early 5-6 years, and led less teams to greater heights than MJ could, I don't think that can be debated.

You have me blocked, but this is an outstanding post

 

[tlance]

You actually thinking I thought he was already in LA before LeBron is funny as hell. Once again I was stating a fact that he had to have AD to join up cause he couldn’t do it. Keep trying kiddo

He had to have AD join up?

See though…

It was the claim about LeBron joining stacked rosters. That was not what happened.

He joined the Lakers who were a mess.

AD chose to join him and the Lakers gave a lot of young assets to get AD.

There was no joining a stacked team. Not in Cleveland either.

He only joined a stacked team once, and that was to play with his friends.

 

[dtgold88]

You actually thinking I thought he was already in LA before LeBron is funny as hell. Once again I was stating a fact that he had to have AD to join up cause he couldn’t do it. Keep trying kiddo

This was about Lebron joining lesser teams and you said he did not join a lesser Laker team because they had AD.

I don't think you thought AD was there I am certain. It's cool being wrong FYI. Could just say my bad and move on. But I get irrational people cannot admit mistakes.

 

[dtgold88]

Hmmm I see plenty of lefaggots gobbling up leflops nuts. You clearly are one of those little weenie lovers

Yeah so you keep saying. Just enhances your lack of comprehension in addition to you being next level irrational.

 

[dtgold88]

He had to have AD join up?

See though…

It was the claim about LeBron joining stacked rosters. That was not what happened.

He joined the Lakers who were a mess.

AD chose to join him and the Lakers gave a lot of young assets to get AD.

There was no joining a stacked team. Not in Cleveland either.

He only joined a stacked team once, and that was to play with his friends.

Yep

and by his comment he did think AD was there. I claimed Lebron joined a lesser team in LA and he said something like "lesser team with AD?"

Could he be an adult and just say something like "my bad...forgot AD joined after year 1?" Of course not