Mariners trade deadline/rumors thread

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[ulmax]

Well it is just weird business wise. I know I am bias and want him gone but if they are going to extend he needs at least a 3 year deal but I just can’t see any intelligent business person guaranteeing Jerry’s 9 years with Jerry’s resume. It is kind of like Larry Scott with the Pac 12 where he failed with his first vision, then laid a great plan in place then completely failed at it and the public forced him out more than his bosses did. Ownership cannot allow Jerry to fail next year and let the Kraken become the number 2 team in the market with the threat of the Sonics on the horizon.

just a side note wazzu...ya have to add the ...financials..in..to the equation..they could not ..pay felix..and go get...someone to re-place him as well..
the yankees or dodgers..the mariners..are not
and dipoto had..depleted..a mariners farm.even further...that was not loaded..or even close..to top..15..let alone..top 10..cuz he..as well..as the rest of us...wanted..to go to the playoffs
ultil....
hernandez..petered..out
with
hernandez..as the as ace..
and paxton..as#2
they had a chance..when hernandez..was finnished..all..hope was..lost...they started...re-build..cuz as i said..there was almost..no minors ..guys that where any good
they where..going to re-build any way..after they went to the playoffs..anytime..they could not maintain...a rotation

 

[ulmax]

i should have said a playoff rotation..on that........

if you think of pitchers..as a front 7 or 8..in football..for the defence....
they do not have a playoff..front 7 or 8

but that messes..with...my brain a bit...so i dont like to think of it that way...lololol

 

[ulmax]

i have not done a projection line up in a while..so i will try 0ne

1B france
2B toro
ss crawford...L/L
3B seager...L/L
RF haniger
CF kelenic...L/L
LF fraley...L/L
DH lewis..only cuz...i dont know..how his knee is...i hope and pray..he can still play...CF
ca Cal Raleigh 29..or he could DH..prob anytime

bench
ca/1b torrens...
im a put
cris taylor..right here..cuz..he will fit nicely..as a free agent....2B/of..this would mean..dylan moore traded..at some point..and maybe shed long..as well
but maybe not long..cuz he has 1 more year......and he could be considered..a LF..in the future..so that would fill the mariners up..there..till julio rod gets there

the lineup..has 4 outfield guys in it..
.and trammell is still at tacoma..and maybe shed long...makes 6..that is the right number...

if taylor can play..ss..is another question...cuz right now..they have..moore..to do that
but don walton...is a ss/2b..at tacoma..the last line..for that

and if not shed long ..LH bat off the bench..then walton

or
Jake Bauers 5...who needs to hit better by the end of the season..to not get traded..or..waived..but if he can....he would be good to go for..next year as backup..RF/1B

 

[seahawksfan234]

Eh, we can agree to disagree on the Berrios price. Do all teams want one of the 4 Mariners prospects, for sure but getting 3 of the next level plus giving up a guy like say a Dylan Moore or Torrens type would work. The Mariners have depth of prospects and they need to deal them.

That's fair. I just don't really see what the Mariners could've offered that would've come close to what the Blue Jays gave up without giving up at least Kirby or Hancock. Apparently the two teams weren't close to a deal because the Twins were insisting on the package include either Hancock or Kirby. For what it's worth, I think the Twins absolutely won that trade. Berrios is a good pitcher, but not an ace. IMO the Blue Jays gave the equivalent of an ace for Berrios.

 

[wazzu31]

That's fair. I just don't really see what the Mariners could've offered that would've come close to what the Blue Jays gave up without giving up at least Kirby or Hancock. Apparently the two teams weren't close to a deal because the Twins were insisting on the package include either Hancock or Kirby. For what it's worth, I think the Twins absolutely won that trade. Berrios is a good pitcher, but not an ace. IMO the Blue Jays gave the equivalent of an ace for Berrios.

I may be way off of the price it would’ve taken for Berrios. But the Castillo trade alone makes me think that other organizations love the Mariners farm system. Shenton was sky rocketing up the rankings and no one in Seattle even really knew he was until he got traded. Kirby and Hancock are guys who everyone wants but Marco, Flexen, Dunn and Sheffield (Kukuchi probably can’t be dealt) should all be on the table if the Mariners have two untouchable pitching prospects. Let alone no idea if Williamson is an untouchable but the way it reads online he is pushing himself into that category.

So I guess we can just boil down to my rants are Jerry does not have enough room on the pitching staff or outfield for all of the top prospects they have that will be MLB ready next year. And it is a lot tougher to deal lesser prospects in the off-season when there aren’t surprise team that are in it or teams who look great on paper tank.

 

[Destroydacre]

Say what you want about it being unprofessional or whatever, but it's pretty clear to me after tonight's game that a lot of players on this team have quit after the Graveman trade.

 

[SeattleCoug]

Say what you want about it being unprofessional or whatever, but it's pretty clear to me after tonight's game that a lot of players on this team have quit after the Graveman trade.

Well then they can go at the end of the year. This lineup rolls out multiple sub .700 OPS guys nightly and if they arent giving it there all they dont deserve roster spots period.

Im not gonna say they have quit. You look at Haniger who had two great ABs early and then two awful ABs late, I wont say he wasnt trying all game. He just needs to get his head out of his ass there. Plus the starting rotation has still been very good.


I've been consistent regarding the Graveman trade so ill touch on it one more time. People mad/upset/annoyed at the move aren't actually mad/upset/annoyed at the move itself. They are mad/upset/annoyed at the franchise in general. They are using 20 to 40 plus years of frustration and taking it out on the latest thing that can be used as a reason for poor on the field performance. You can't ride through a 162 game season based solely on team chemistry. When you are a bottom 5 hitting team relying on bullpen that was bound to regress its simply not sustainable.
Again Ill be hard on this team when necessary but this isnt a reason. This was never a good enough team, they made that decision in the winter (this part i'm annoyed at). Period

 

[ulmax]

well im looking at the next step..and who the mariners actually need to add..and i thought..that it was taylor..but
now..the way..sd is using frazier...seems bad....for frazier...and it seems to me..that he could fit seattle much better..he is not a free agent until
2023..which means seattle..would have to trade..for him...yeah..he is high profile..and the guys i want to trade ..for him ...are not

but it works..you will see

frazier..for

moore..and shed long..and a AAA..or AA bull pen guy...

why...??
frazier..is under used..in..san diego..they need moore.....but..they need long LH bat as well..and a pr./ph.long would seem a good one..which is what the NL
use as a DH..but that is a diff story

frazier gives seattle a LH bat off the bench...anytime toro..is at 3b..auto..frazier to 2b..frazier just fits..off the bench..for seattle..going forward
or toro would bench..it would not matter

torrens..catch/1B..also fits
frazier..2b...L/L..toro
fraley..or kelenic...L/L
prob is..ya need a back up SS/2B...frazier ..is not that...so then ya would have to go get a back up ss

also..cuz im starting to think..the dodgers will re- sign taylor..but..who knows..anyway..that is 2 options

but ,.maybe it is just meandering...lol

 

[ulmax]

with..fraley,..kelenic..lewis..and likely..julio rod...soon..the mariners may not need....... moore..or long..in the outfield..

which...to me..would put....Sam Haggerty 0 IL-60....

front and center..a backup every thing..except pitcher

 

[ulmax]

whhaaa.....wwhhhaaa...??
those guys don't really fit...???....no....
ok..fine then...

sooo.. what..they really need..is a backup SS/2B..who can hit....??...yes..
ok then
well..uhh
taylor..can do that.....??.....whaa..a diff..guy..??...more...OPTIONs...??...maybe younger options...??...uh

uhh..OK

WE will try to find....SOME

i yi yi...tryed to make it simple...but ..nooo..noo...lololololol

 

[ulmax]

i smell abe san (abe japanese..last name..in this case..a chief engineer..lol)..around here ...some where..giving me ..too..much work...aahhh...lolololol

 

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[ulmax]

mariners theme song...
ok maybe does not totally...apply...but its a good song

 

[ulmax]

been..86ed..

............. theme...lol...yeah

 

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Thairo Estrada #39​

San Francisco Giants..............................................xxxxxxxxxx

• SS
• B/T: R/R
• 5' 10"/185
• Age: 25

SummaryStatsNewsAwards

• Thairo Jose Estrada
• Status: Active
• Born: 2/22/1996 in Bejuma, Venezuela
• MLB Debut: 4/21/2019
• Follow:

pcl..SS stats..........hitting 385...350 is good enough for....mlb

PLAYER	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
1 DomingoLeyba SS	RNO	8	35	9	16	2	1	4	14	2	4	0	0	.457	.486	.914	1.401
2 ThairoEstrada SS	SAC	37	156	32	60	12	1	7	33	16	25	5	3	.385

 

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Mauricio Dubón #26...............san francisco..giants​

Sacramento River Cats
Triple-A Affiliate

• SS
• B/T: R/R
• 6' 0"/173
• Age: 27

SummaryStatsNewsAwards

• Mauricio Andre Dubón
• Status: Active
• Born: 7/19/1994 in San Pedro Sula, Honduras
• Draft: 2013, Boston Red Sox, Round: 26, Overall Pick: 773
• High School: Capital Christian, Sacramento, CA
• MLB Debut: 7/07/2019

3 GavinCecchini SS	SL	28	96	8	35	10	0	0	10	7	16	3	0	.365	.408	.469	.876
4 MauricioDubon SS	SAC	33	126	21	45	6	1	3	17	18	25	8	1	.357	.442	.492	.934

dubon..is the 4th slot..at ss........pcl

 

[ulmax]

I THINK ESTRADA,,,is prob best...AAA..guy ..you could trade for...at ss

2B

Michael Stefanic #5​

Salt Lake Bees........................Angels
Triple-A Affiliate

• 2B
• B/T: R/R
• 5' 10"/180
• Age: 25
• Michael Stefanic
• Status: Active
• Born: 2/24/1996 in Boise, ID
• College: Westmont, Westmont, CA

Year	AB	R	H	HR	RBI	SB	AVG	OBP	OPS
2021 MiLB Stats	313	53	105	12	45	2	.335	.406	.902
MiLB Career Stats	726	105	224	15	97	11	.309	.382	.805

Year
2021 MiLB Stats
MiLB Career Stats

• Next SL Game: 8-12 vs SAC

im not hot on any of these guys..except ..estrada...

 

[ulmax]

and this guy..which..trevor story..is going so..Rockies prob wont trade this guy

Alan Trejo #15​

Albuquerque Isotopes
Triple-A Affiliate

• 2B
• B/T: R/R
• 6' 2"/205
• Age: 25

SummaryStatsNewsAwards

• Alan Ray Trejo
• Status: Active
• Born: 5/30/1996 in Los Angeles, CA
• Draft: 2017, Colorado Rockies, Round: 16, Overall Pick: 476
• College: San Diego State

 

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Andy Burns #29​

• 3B
• B/T: R/R
• 6' 2"/205

SummaryStatsNewsAwardsSHOP

• Andrew David Burns
• Born: 8/07/1990 in Greenville, SC
• Draft: 2011, Toronto Blue Jays, Round: 11, Overall Pick: 349
• College: Arizona
• Debut: 5/09/2016

free agent..the mariners could give a shot.....maybe a spring training guy...idk

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