Mariners trade deadline/rumors thread

[ulmax]

mariners sign ..11th round draft pick..now they only ..lost 1..to cal irvin

08/08/21

Seattle Mariners signed RHP William Fleming.

38WILLIAM FLEMING​

• HEIGHT 6-6
• WEIGHT 220
• CLASS Junior
• HOMETOWN Asheville, N.C.
• HIGHSCHOOL Christ School

nice....hope to see him at modesto...soon

im missing
that
10
294
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Jackson, Jordan
Georgia Southern (GA)
P
R/R
4YR JR
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6' 6" 204lbs
DOB:10/14/98
$25.00k
gota go see where he went.....

 

[ulmax]

If you guys really wanted to win so bad why dont we just trade julio rodriguez for Max scherzer and Trea Turner or Kelenic/Marte for barrios and just go all in? Lets forget what the next 10 years could look like and just go all in with all our chips and put it on red or black. We spent the last 5 years under Dipoto acquiring all these prospects I want to see how they pan out in the big leagues god damn it

No none wants Jake Bauers. He's a -.8 WAR player this year and a -1.3 WAR player for his career.

if you are going to go all in...baseball is the wrong game....you should be playing this one...and going home...soon

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ulmax is a slow play...minimum risk....for the most part..but i know pot odds..and deal with it...
50/50..a bit up or down..till its..my day to winn...when ..people be,..runnin..out the game..like they hair on fire

 

[wazzu31]

If you guys really wanted to win so bad why dont we just trade julio rodriguez for Max scherzer and Trea Turner or Kelenic/Marte for barrios and just go all in? Lets forget what the next 10 years could look like and just go all in with all our chips and put it on red or black. We spent the last 5 years under Dipoto acquiring all these prospects I want to see how they pan out in the big leagues god damn it

Scherzer and Turner for Julio straight up? Hell yes make that deal. Graveman is still on the team in that scenario because there isn’t a world in which Toro is playing if SS and 2B had Turner and

Post Graveman trade, no way on Kelenic and Marte. But since Toro is on the team, Marte is now tradable going into the off-season. But the biggest decision from the current players are whether can trade Evan White and what to do with Kyle Lewis.

 

[Podunkparte]

if you are going to go all in...baseball is the wrong game....you should be playing this one...and going home...soon

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ulmax is a slow play...minimum risk....for the most part..but i know pot odds..and deal with it...
50/50..a bit up or down..till its..my day to winn...when ..people be,..runnin..out the game..like they hair on fire

Jake Bauers is 8-3 off and you're 3 betting to a board of K-A-J

 

[seattlefan75]

Scherzer and Turner for Julio straight up? Hell yes make that deal. Graveman is still on the team in that scenario because there isn’t a world in which Toro is playing if SS and 2B had Turner and

Post Graveman trade, no way on Kelenic and Marte. But since Toro is on the team, Marte is now tradable going into the off-season. But the biggest decision from the current players are whether can trade Evan White and what to do with Kyle Lewis.

you crrraaaaazzzzyyyyy my guy you would trade the #3 overall top prospect of all of baseball with 6 years control over him for a 37 year old pitcher that is set to test free agency unless we over pay him and a pretty good 2nd baseman with 2 years left before he tests free agency?

Maybe our fan philosophy on building a team is different I think you are more in acquiring quality players through trade and free agency and I am more about building through the farm. Both are fine ways to go about it. I would be more on board of trading away top prospects if our MLB team was already good. I am still sour from that adam jones trade for erik bedard which is why I am not usually on board with doing things like this.

 

[wazzu31]

you crrraaaaazzzzyyyyy my guy you would trade the #3 overall top prospect of all of baseball with 6 years control over him for a 37 year old pitcher that is set to test free agency unless we over pay him and a pretty good 2nd baseman with 2 years left before he tests free agency?

Maybe our fan philosophy on building a team is different I think you are more in acquiring quality players through trade and free agency and I am more about building through the farm. Both are fine ways to go about it. I would be more on board of trading away top prospects if our MLB team was already good. I am still sour from that adam jones trade for erik bedard which is why I am not usually on board with doing things like this.

It isn’t about getting Scherzer. Turner is a sure fire all star every year. 6 years of control vs two years IMO isn’t a valid argument. Seattle isn’t Oakland or Tampa, they have money to spend. Eventually it needs to be about winning, because what is the point of having 6 years of control when the culture you build is they need to be traded by the 5th year? The Bedard/Jones trade IMO isn’t anywhere in the stratosphere of Julio for Turner.

Building through the farm system is fine but it is rare you can be a World Series team if you build strictly through the farm system, the Royals are the only team I can think of and they had to implode it after two years. You could argue the Astros but the Astros had like 6 first overall picks in a row and made a couple of big splash trades and never had a season where they were suppose to “compete” when their roster is full of rookies or really 2nd full year guys like the Mariners will next season.

 

[ulmax]

cool.lol...ok guys check this...

 

[ulmax]

It isn’t about getting Scherzer. Turner is a sure fire all star every year. 6 years of control vs two years IMO isn’t a valid argument. Seattle isn’t Oakland or Tampa, they have money to spend. Eventually it needs to be about winning, because what is the point of having 6 years of control when the culture you build is they need to be traded by the 5th year? The Bedard/Jones trade IMO isn’t anywhere in the stratosphere of Julio for Turner.

Building through the farm system is fine but it is rare you can be a World Series team if you build strictly through the farm system, the Royals are the only team I can think of and they had to implode it after two years. You could argue the Astros but the Astros had like 6 first overall picks in a row and made a couple of big splash trades and never had a season where they were suppose to “compete” when their roster is full of rookies or really 2nd full year guys like the Mariners will next season.

if...the mariners do not build a playoff...rotation this offseason..or by..the next trade deadline...then...i will turn coat...to your attitude...
but as long as they are moving forward.....i will stay...on the ...mariners.....journey...to the playoffs..and world series...

 

[ulmax]

if...the mariners do not build a playoff...rotation this offseason..or by..the next trade deadline...then...i will turn coat...to your attitude...
but as long as they are moving forward.....i will stay...on the ...mariners.....journey...to the playoffs..and world series...

im not that much..of a negative person...and i did..hear the mariners ..(when they where owned by the japanees...)say they would..not win..and have not
when there is a new owner..there is usually..a personnel..turn..over..to me all along..that started..with depoto
did he try..to gp..to the playoffs...yes...
did hernandez...shoulder inj..end his career...yes...and that..was the one thing...depoto needed...cuz when he made that statement...he knew..hernandez...would be back..and we all thought he would as well...he never ..really..did..come back..to the old felix

 

[ulmax]

and now..we are almost...full circle.....soo...we will see..if he will take them to the playoffs.....i..will..bet..all..but one.....in..

 

[seattlefan75]

It isn’t about getting Scherzer. Turner is a sure fire all star every year. 6 years of control vs two years IMO isn’t a valid argument. Seattle isn’t Oakland or Tampa, they have money to spend. Eventually it needs to be about winning, because what is the point of having 6 years of control when the culture you build is they need to be traded by the 5th year? The Bedard/Jones trade IMO isn’t anywhere in the stratosphere of Julio for Turner.

Building through the farm system is fine but it is rare you can be a World Series team if you build strictly through the farm system, the Royals are the only team I can think of and they had to implode it after two years. You could argue the Astros but the Astros had like 6 first overall picks in a row and made a couple of big splash trades and never had a season where they were suppose to “compete” when their roster is full of rookies or really 2nd full year guys like the Mariners will next season.

I think pretty much all the world series winners in the last 10 years were built through the draft the only team that is spending absurd amounts of money trying to win are the Dodgers with a payroll of almost 300 million. But all the other teams their core players were all drafted and brought up and the team would spend money on free agents built around those players which is what I think the mariners are intending to do.

I think once Kyle Seagers contract is off the books and the club could option on kikuchi we would have a massive cap space number to play with. So the team will have Rodriguez, kelenic, hancock, Lewis, Gilbert, etc AND quality free agents signed to the team go along with the young prospects. This is very similar to what the Padres have done it just sucks for them in that they are in a very tough top heavy division.

 

[Destroydacre]

It isn’t about getting Scherzer. Turner is a sure fire all star every year. 6 years of control vs two years IMO isn’t a valid argument. Seattle isn’t Oakland or Tampa, they have money to spend. Eventually it needs to be about winning, because what is the point of having 6 years of control when the culture you build is they need to be traded by the 5th year? The Bedard/Jones trade IMO isn’t anywhere in the stratosphere of Julio for Turner.

Building through the farm system is fine but it is rare you can be a World Series team if you build strictly through the farm system, the Royals are the only team I can think of and they had to implode it after two years. You could argue the Astros but the Astros had like 6 first overall picks in a row and made a couple of big splash trades and never had a season where they were suppose to “compete” when their roster is full of rookies or really 2nd full year guys like the Mariners will next season.

In theory they have money to spend, but it doesn't matter if they don't actually spend it. Oakland's payroll is larger than Seattle's this year. This ownership regime might somehow be cheaper than the last.

 

[wazzu31]

In theory they have money to spend, but it doesn't matter if they don't actually spend it. Oakland's payroll is larger than Seattle's this year. This ownership regime might somehow be cheaper than the last.

Well yeah, but that is the X factor in fans getting upset. They have the money and seem to only have a big budget when they suck then use that as an excuse to sell fans on why they lower the budget.

 

[wazzu31]

I think pretty much all the world series winners in the last 10 years were built through the draft the only team that is spending absurd amounts of money trying to win are the Dodgers with a payroll of almost 300 million. But all the other teams their core players were all drafted and brought up and the team would spend money on free agents built around those players which is what I think the mariners are intending to do.

I think once Kyle Seagers contract is off the books and the club could option on kikuchi we would have a massive cap space number to play with. So the team will have Rodriguez, kelenic, hancock, Lewis, Gilbert, etc AND quality free agents signed to the team go along with the young prospects. This is very similar to what the Padres have done it just sucks for them in that they are in a very tough top heavy division.

I conceded the 2015 Royals, then from there you have to define “core”. You could argue the Astros had “core” position players but not the pitching staff. I guess depending on the definition of core then sure, but the Mariners won’t have a full season of their core until opening day 2024. The Mariners have much more wealth and a similar farm system that the Padres had in 2017. Difference is they made trades and big free agent signing leading into where they infused their top prospects instead of having to have them be the team like the Mariners will have. The reason the Toro trade IMO bugged people is because the Padres have made several similar trades but it made their big club better and no offense to France or Trammell but traded prospects who had zero path to the big leagues with the Mariners have a boat load right now of guys who on paper have zero path to the everyday lineup or rotation unless the other top prospects fail in which the rebuild failed.

The Padres are a good analogy on how the Mariners should do it but they spent when the team wasn’t ready and didn’t invite a bad clubhouse culture for the young guys the way Jerry did. Having club control is swell but if no free agents want to come to Seattle because the GM is a douchebag then they have to hit on every prospect which is highly unlikely.

 

[ulmax]

any question....why..they are not...going to trade haniger...


Standard
Expanded
Statcast

PLAYER	TEAM	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	SO	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
1 JoeyGallo LF	NYY	113	375	70	80	10	1	29	63	89	157	6	0	.213	.370	.477	.847
2 AdamDuvall LF	ATL	106	373	52	84	12	1	27	81	28	124	5	0	.225	.281	.480	.761
3 AdolisGarcia CF	TEX	107	412	55	101	16	2	26	70	22	135	8	4	.245	.289	.483	.772
3 MitchHaniger RF	SEA	114	452	79	117	19	2	26	66	33	119	1	0	.259	.314	.482	.796
3 AaronJudge RF	NYY	105	392	63	112	16	0	26	63	55	116	3	0	.286	.375	.526	.901

finnally rocking..the house...former..mariner..

15 TylerO'Neill LF	STL	94	324	52	88	19	0	20	43	26	115	9	4	.272	.341	.515	.856

 

[ulmax]

never ..lose..the dream............

 

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[ulmax]

"that will be the..day"{john Wayne}
...when we see..the mariners..come out ..of the ..corn.........

 

[seahawksfan234]

It isn’t about getting Scherzer. Turner is a sure fire all star every year. 6 years of control vs two years IMO isn’t a valid argument. Seattle isn’t Oakland or Tampa, they have money to spend. Eventually it needs to be about winning, because what is the point of having 6 years of control when the culture you build is they need to be traded by the 5th year? The Bedard/Jones trade IMO isn’t anywhere in the stratosphere of Julio for Turner.

Building through the farm system is fine but it is rare you can be a World Series team if you build strictly through the farm system, the Royals are the only team I can think of and they had to implode it after two years. You could argue the Astros but the Astros had like 6 first overall picks in a row and made a couple of big splash trades and never had a season where they were suppose to “compete” when their roster is full of rookies or really 2nd full year guys like the Mariners will next season.

I think I'm with you on this. From an organizational standpoint, our outfield is loaded. As much as I love Julio as a prospect, I would consider him expendable for the right deal. Shit, I think they could probably get more for Julio than just Turner and Scherzer.

With the way Toro has been hitting, an infield of France at first, Turner at 2nd, Crawford at SS, and Toro at 3rd would look pretty nice. My only long-term concern with Turner is that a lot of his game is based on speed, which doesn't age well.

This is the offseason where the Mariners need to go all in. Even after Kelenic, Raleigh and Gilbert graduated to the big leagues, we still have the number one farm system in baseball and the money to spend. Our opening day payroll in 2017 was $154m. Assuming that we move on from Seager, we should have well over $130m in payroll space. There's no way to justify not going all in.