Mariners trade deadline/rumors thread

[wazzu31]

I think I'm with you on this. From an organizational standpoint, our outfield is loaded. As much as I love Julio as a prospect, I would consider him expendable for the right deal. Shit, I think they could probably get more for Julio than just Turner and Scherzer.

With the way Toro has been hitting, an infield of France at first, Turner at 2nd, Crawford at SS, and Toro at 3rd would look pretty nice. My only long-term concern with Turner is that a lot of his game is based on speed, which doesn't age well.

This is the offseason where the Mariners need to go all in. Even after Kelenic, Raleigh and Gilbert graduated to the big leagues, we still have the number one farm system in baseball and the money to spend. Our opening day payroll in 2017 was $154m. Assuming that we move on from Seager, we should have well over $130m in payroll space. There's no way to justify not going all in.

I am not saying give Julio, Kelenic, Hancock of Kirby up for nothing. But if they can get a great AS back then that is a good deal. If Julio turns into Trout so be it. The goal is to win a World Series not minor league championships and fact is the Mariners have too many guys in the OF. It is nice that Kelenic is getting extended playing time but Lewis will eventually come back and they can’t keep all of their top guys in the minors or rotate them in and out of the lineup. Plus with one of those guys DHing and White coming back that means on paper the infield is Toro, Crawford, France then White with Raleigh and Torrens catching.

Eh, I think Turner will still be an all star by the time, hopefully, any of the Mariners prospects make one. And a thing with next year, Toro has worked out fine at 2B, so unless they grab a guy like Bryant of a Story is it really an upgrade from Seager at 3B and Toro at 2nd?

With the Mariners it isn’t like they need to spend $100 million plus in the off-season. They have capital to go get a few guys and make some trades to go get what they need. Problem I really have is they have a legitimate argument not to spend. Including Gilbert, they have 3 top 25 pitching prospects that will be vying for the staff next year along with the plus the 5 they have and need a spot for Julio. There is a legitimate argument that Jerry can make that the only thing he needs to spend on this off-season is one scrub bullpen arm because they have Giles and Munoz coming off of injury and even they have like 5 guys who are vying for the rotation that may take that spot.

 

[ulmax]

a guy i hope..the mariners will be getting for the ...ace...and trevor story

Kevin Gausman 34

L/R

6' 2"

190

01/06/1991

Trevor Story 27

R/R

6' 2"

213

11/15/1992

both UFA..in 2022...that is my wish list..so far

they could add ...

Noah Syndergaard 34

as well...and it would not hurt ..my /
..feelings....i ..just dont think....they will...add 2 guys..to the rotation

 

[seattlefan75]

I conceded the 2015 Royals, then from there you have to define “core”. You could argue the Astros had “core” position players but not the pitching staff. I guess depending on the definition of core then sure, but the Mariners won’t have a full season of their core until opening day 2024. The Mariners have much more wealth and a similar farm system that the Padres had in 2017. Difference is they made trades and big free agent signing leading into where they infused their top prospects instead of having to have them be the team like the Mariners will have. The reason the Toro trade IMO bugged people is because the Padres have made several similar trades but it made their big club better and no offense to France or Trammell but traded prospects who had zero path to the big leagues with the Mariners have a boat load right now of guys who on paper have zero path to the everyday lineup or rotation unless the other top prospects fail in which the rebuild failed.

The Padres are a good analogy on how the Mariners should do it but they spent when the team wasn’t ready and didn’t invite a bad clubhouse culture for the young guys the way Jerry did. Having club control is swell but if no free agents want to come to Seattle because the GM is a douchebag then they have to hit on every prospect which is highly unlikely.

By core I am speaking generally that a championship team has a strong base of organic players before making moves on acquire other talent.

2019 Nationals: Trea Turner, Juan Soto, Ryan Zimmerman, Anthony Rendon, Victor Robles, Stephen Strausberg

2018 Red Sox: Mookie Betts, Xander Boegarts, Rafel Devers, Andrew Benintendi, Eduardo Rodriguez

2016 Cubs: Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Kyle Hendricks, Javier Baez

2012 and 2014 Giants: Madison Bumgarner, Buster Posey, Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Sergio Romero, Brandon Crawfod, Pablo Sandoval

Most of the names are either organic from the farm or traded on a cheap price and given a chance on the team. Once these players reached the majors then most of these teams used their cap space to acquire other talent to build on top of them.

 

[seattlefan75]

I think I'm with you on this. From an organizational standpoint, our outfield is loaded. As much as I love Julio as a prospect, I would consider him expendable for the right deal. Shit, I think they could probably get more for Julio than just Turner and Scherzer.

With the way Toro has been hitting, an infield of France at first, Turner at 2nd, Crawford at SS, and Toro at 3rd would look pretty nice. My only long-term concern with Turner is that a lot of his game is based on speed, which doesn't age well.

This is the offseason where the Mariners need to go all in. Even after Kelenic, Raleigh and Gilbert graduated to the big leagues, we still have the number one farm system in baseball and the money to spend. Our opening day payroll in 2017 was $154m. Assuming that we move on from Seager, we should have well over $130m in payroll space. There's no way to justify not going all in.

absolutely not as far as trading julio rodriguez I feel he is the best thing in the entire mariners organization. There are good players in the league then there are the future faces like Vlad guerrero jr, fernando tatis, juan soto, and Ronald Acuna and I really believe julio will be in that kind of category.

 

[wazzu31]

By core I am speaking generally that a championship team has a strong base of organic players before making moves on acquire other talent.

2019 Nationals: Trea Turner, Juan Soto, Ryan Zimmerman, Anthony Rendon, Victor Robles, Stephen Strausberg

2018 Red Sox: Mookie Betts, Xander Boegarts, Rafel Devers, Andrew Benintendi, Eduardo Rodriguez

2016 Cubs: Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Kyle Hendricks, Javier Baez

2012 and 2014 Giants: Madison Bumgarner, Buster Posey, Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, Sergio Romero, Brandon Crawfod, Pablo Sandoval

Most of the names are either organic from the farm or traded on a cheap price and given a chance on the team. Once these players reached the majors then most of these teams used their cap space to acquire other talent to build on top of them.

I get what you are saying why I asked for what you define as core. Even using your list the most that is on their 6 and outside of the Giants, the best overall player (can make an argument Betts wasn’t) came via trade or free agency. So let’s use your analogy of core, then 2024 is the earliest we are looking at for the Mariners to compete for a World Series championship and that doesn’t do it for me.

 

[ulmax]

Ranking the 10 Most Unlikely World Series Runs in MLB History​

1. If baseball has taught us anything over the years, it's that reaching the World Series isn't necessarily about having the most talented roster or the highest payroll in the game. It's about great clubhouse chemistry, paying attention to the fundamentals and, perhaps above all else, a team playing its best baseball when it counts the most.
   Case in point: the 2014 Kansas City Royals.
   While more than a few pundits predicted the Royals would win the AL Central heading into the season, nobody—nobody—saw a World Series appearance in the team's immediate future. To say it was unlikely that the team would play meaningful baseball in late October is be a gross understatement.
   Yet here we are, and the Royals sit three wins away from the team's first World Series crown since 1985.
   Unlikely indeed

 

[ulmax]

Ranking the 10 Most Unlikely World Series Runs in MLB History​

https://bleacherreport.com › MLB

 

[ulmax]

some help from...within...bull pen guys

tacoma
Joey Gerber 59...would be 1st on the list...buuut..Injured 7-Day........ouch
next is
Brian Schlitter 33...yep..he is pitching well..and call up..this 35 year old guy...no prob

LV	AAA W	AAA	1	0	9.00	5	0	0	0	1	0	1	7.0	11	7	7	1	143	0	3	0	8	.344	2.00	3.33
2021	TAC	AAA W	AAA	1	0	2.70	24	4	0	0	3	2	3	30.0	29	9	9	3	503	1	12	0	23	.250	1.37	1.50

next

Ryan Weber 14..everyone has tryed weber..as a starter....i think..it is time to try him..out of the bull pen....but he starts at tacoma...

NAS	AAA E	AAA	0	1	6.75	2	2	0	0	0	0	0	8.0	13	6	6	1	132	0	1	0	10	.371	1.75	5.00
2021	TAC	AAA W	AAA	2	0	0.52	3	3	0	0	0	0	0	17.1	12	1	1	1	216	0	0	0	17	.188	0.69	0.94
2021	WOR	AAA E	AAA	2	2	4.63	7	6	0	0	0	0	0	35.0	35	22	18	5	546	3	10	0	33	.265	1.29	1.64

Jimmy Yacabonis 21..with these numbers...if they ..are going to give him a try...soon would be good

021

TAC

AAA W

AAA

2

0

1.63

21

1

0

0

2

4

5

27.2

19

5

5

2

458

2

9

0

25

.190

1.01

0.87

July 19, 2021

Tacoma Rainiers activated RHP Jimmy Yacabonis from the 7-day injured list.

i dont know what was up with that..but missed most of july..but he is back now

Justus Sheffield 10..its only a matter..of when he is ready.........

Rehab Assignment

called up from AA..
Moises Gomez 30...may not be in line to go to mlb..this year...but his numbers are good ...so far

ARK	AA C	AA	2	1	1.23	23	0	0	0	11	0	0	29.1	22	7	4	2	430	6	7	0	25	.216	0.99	0.76
2021	TAC	AAA W	AAA	0	0	3.00	2	0	0	0	1	0	0	3.0	3	1	1	0	47	0	0	0	4	.250	1.00	4.00

Penn Murfee 37..pitching better at tacoma than he was at..ark

ARK	AA C	AA	5	2	4.13	10	10	1	1	0	0	0	52.1	50	27	24	9	893	5	20	0	62	.250	1.34	1.04
2021	TAC	AAA W	AAA	1	1	3.86	7	3	0	0	0	0	0	16.1	13	7	7	0	307	1	11	0	20	.220	1.47	0.93

not ready for prime time...

Darin Gillies 15..called up to tacoma..but he is not ready..yet

ARK	AA C	AA	2	0	1.93	22	0	0	0	1	10	10	23.1	14	6	5	2	385	1	12	0	30	.175	1.11	0.95
2021	TAC	AAA W	AAA	1	0	8.53	6	0	0	0	1	0	0	6.1	7	6	6	2	125	0	3	0	8	.259	1.58	0.20

Aaron Fletcher 25..throwing around a 5.00
Yohan Ramirez 53...throwing around ..a..4.00

that is your basic ...pool...for now.....but there is more on the ..way..and sooner....rather than later

 

[ulmax]

guys at arkansas...that may...be called to tacoma..short list

CollinKober P	ARK	3	0	1.93	23	0	0	0	1	2	28.0	23	6	6	2	5	12	38	1.25	.219

with fletcher not cutting it..yet...moyers would be good...maybe even at MLb...that is what i would like to know...before it gets to late

9 StevenMoyers P	ARK	3	2	2.29	15	3	0	0	0	0	35.1	23	9	9	2	1	11	28	0.96	.189

kind of a due dil·i·gence...ya have to find out...........before these guys are gone.

 

[ulmax]

and...in there case...show me......TALKS........and just as ever.....BS..walks.....lol

well..that is how we did in the sand...lot........ anyway...lol

 

[ulmax]

projected..2022..pitching...with Juan Then 43 MINORS...but on 40 man......joe smith off..he will be a free agent
Keynan Middleton 99..........idk on ..him cuz he...has a high era......and..is about the worst pitcher in the pen...right now.same for...Robert Dugger 30 MINORS
Nick Margevicius 52 IL-60..could be traded...waived..or..just sent to tacoma...idk


Kevin Gausman 34.......i had...the dream.....that the mariners had an ace........lolololol

Yusei Kikuchi 18.L/L
Chris Flexen 77
Marco Gonzales 7....L/L
Logan Gilbert 36
James Paxton 44......L/L...if pax comes back..he could be here...or ...he could be bull pen.........either way......he is good
Justin Dunn 35

Ken Giles 58
Diego Castillo 63

2024

30

ARB 3

Drew Steckenrider 16
Anthony Misiewicz 38......L/L
Paul Sewald 37
Casey Sadler 65
Justus Sheffield 33......L/L.......Spot start...long re.....
Erik Swanson 50


tacoma
Darren McCaughan 45.....................40....man...y
Penn Murfee 37
Ian McKinney 19......L/L
Ljay Newsome 74..........................40.man.......y
Matt Brash 8.............just a guess

the pen
Andrés Muñoz 54 ..........40.....y
Joey Gerber 59........40 ..........y
Aaron Fletcher 25......L/L.........40..........y
Yohan Ramirez...........40.....y
Wyatt Mills 40..........40......y
Moises Gomez 30
Darin Gillies 15
idk...on these guys
Jimmy Yacabonis 21
Ryan Weber 14
Collin Kober 13
Steven Moyers 20.........L/L

that is it for 40 man and pitchers ...projected...for 2022...down to tacoma.....

 

[seattlefan75]

I get what you are saying why I asked for what you define as core. Even using your list the most that is on their 6 and outside of the Giants, the best overall player (can make an argument Betts wasn’t) came via trade or free agency. So let’s use your analogy of core, then 2024 is the earliest we are looking at for the Mariners to compete for a World Series championship and that doesn’t do it for me.

I am fine with 2024 because right now the Mariners look like an awesome team to watch even without Rodriguez and Hancock. We are sitting 10 games over .500, all young players trying to make a name for themselves. Next year the mariners will be good and the year after. I am thinking long term we are set to have awesome seasons for the next 10 years depending on how much ownership wants to pay to keep players.

The Astros are on year 7 of playing well and they do not look like they are slowing down anytime soon or until we see who they decide to let walk in free agency. I think the days of the mariners sitting on the bottom of the division tanking is behind us. We have nothing but looking upward every year and I dont feel comfortable selling everything for other teams "all stars" because there have been teams that have done that and it didnt work out.

 

[seahawksfan234]

absolutely not as far as trading julio rodriguez I feel he is the best thing in the entire mariners organization. There are good players in the league then there are the future faces like Vlad guerrero jr, fernando tatis, juan soto, and Ronald Acuna and I really believe julio will be in that kind of category.

I hope you're right.

I felt the same way about Kelenic and I'm not going to become concerned yet, but the results have not been very promising.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I am not saying give Julio, Kelenic, Hancock of Kirby up for nothing. But if they can get a great AS back then that is a good deal. If Julio turns into Trout so be it. The goal is to win a World Series not minor league championships and fact is the Mariners have too many guys in the OF. It is nice that Kelenic is getting extended playing time but Lewis will eventually come back and they can’t keep all of their top guys in the minors or rotate them in and out of the lineup. Plus with one of those guys DHing and White coming back that means on paper the infield is Toro, Crawford, France then White with Raleigh and Torrens catching.

Eh, I think Turner will still be an all star by the time, hopefully, any of the Mariners prospects make one. And a thing with next year, Toro has worked out fine at 2B, so unless they grab a guy like Bryant of a Story is it really an upgrade from Seager at 3B and Toro at 2nd?

With the Mariners it isn’t like they need to spend $100 million plus in the off-season. They have capital to go get a few guys and make some trades to go get what they need. Problem I really have is they have a legitimate argument not to spend. Including Gilbert, they have 3 top 25 pitching prospects that will be vying for the staff next year along with the plus the 5 they have and need a spot for Julio. There is a legitimate argument that Jerry can make that the only thing he needs to spend on this off-season is one scrub bullpen arm because they have Giles and Munoz coming off of injury and even they have like 5 guys who are vying for the rotation that may take that spot.

I agree regarding the outfield.

Right now we have Mitch Haniger, Kyle Lewis, Jarrod Kelenic, Julio Rodriguez, Jake Fraley and Taylor Trammel all of which are either currently/former highly rated prospects or have justified playing time and I really do think Dipoto should try to utilize the depth we have in the outfield to improve other positions.

 

[wazzu31]

I agree regarding the outfield.

Right now we have Mitch Haniger, Kyle Lewis, Jarrod Kelenic, Julio Rodriguez, Jake Fraley and Taylor Trammel all of which are either currently/former highly rated prospects or have justified playing time and I really do think Dipoto should try to utilize the depth we have in the outfield to improve other positions.

Plus a guy I think no one is taking about in Marmo. Sure it is AAA but his offense right now is better than anyone who has come through Tacoma (excluding the couple of weeks Seager came through) in decades. Bauer does not deserve a spot on the roster. Torrens at least came to Tacoma and earned his way back, which Marmo has earned in spades.

 

[NWinAZ]

Plus a guy I think no one is taking about in Marmo. Sure it is AAA but his offense right now is better than anyone who has come through Tacoma (excluding the couple of weeks Seager came through) in decades. Bauer does not deserve a spot on the roster. Torrens at least came to Tacoma and earned his way back, which Marmo has earned in spades.

Problem with Marco for now is he isn't on the 40 man. They could shift SLong to 60 day to open a spot.

 

[wazzu31]

Problem with Marco for now is he isn't on the 40 man. They could shift SLong to 60 day to open a spot.

Then bye Bauer IMO. Provides nothing to the team that Marmo wouldn’t. Literally nothing for him to prove down there. But truthfully I did miss when they DFA’d him.

 

[NWinAZ]

Then bye Bauer IMO. Provides nothing to the team that Marmo wouldn’t. Literally nothing for him to prove down there. But truthfully I did miss when they DFA’d him.

True.

 

[seattlefan75]

I agree regarding the outfield.

Right now we have Mitch Haniger, Kyle Lewis, Jarrod Kelenic, Julio Rodriguez, Jake Fraley and Taylor Trammel all of which are either currently/former highly rated prospects or have justified playing time and I really do think Dipoto should try to utilize the depth we have in the outfield to improve other positions.

I am not really a fan of Fraley I think he really made a name for himself tearing it in double A and from that there he really hasnt done much and I think the same will be for Trammell who is a strikeout machine neither one of those guys seem to not be better than a 4th option in the OF.

 

[SeattleCoug]

a guy i hope..the mariners will be getting for the ...ace...and trevor story

Kevin Gausman 34

L/R

6' 2"

190

01/06/1991

Trevor Story 27

R/R

6' 2"

213

11/15/1992

both UFA..in 2022...that is my wish list..so far

they could add ...

Noah Syndergaard 34

as well...and it would not hurt ..my /
..feelings....i ..just dont think....they will...add 2 guys..to the rotation

Gausman is a guy I would like to add but he is also going to get paid good money this offseason. Robbie Ray is another one that I would love but is probably pitching himself out of our range.

Assuming the Mariners are probably limited to one big contract because you know Mariners, I'd prefer they spend it on an INF bat.

For me Semien is the guy I want to add along with starter. Maybe Rodon or Eduardo Rodriguez are more realistic options