2019 Opening Day 25

[filosofy29]

He bats right-handed, has some power, plays CF, is out of options. Only 37 ML PA's

Sounds like the next Trout.

 

[SFGRTB]

Sounds like the next Trout.

I was trying to temper expectations, but yeah basically.

 

[LHG]

I was trying to temper expectations, but yeah basically.

Trout only wishes he could be the next Michael Reed.

 

[calsnowskier]

Jeez. I am updating this thing multiple times a day at this point......

Locks (bubbles)

SP (5/5): Bum, Sammy, Dutch, DRod, PomPom
Bully (5/8): Smith, Watson, Moronta, Dyson, Vincent (MM, Bergen, Gott, Stratton, Blach, Suarez)
C (1/2): Posey (Garcia, Vogt)
Inf (5/6): Belt, Panik, Craw, Longo, Solarte (Hanson, Sandoval, Joe)
OF (3/4): Dugger, Mac, Parra (Joe, Reed, Gerber, Ramos)

Vincent, Parra, Vogt and Solarte need spots. Hanson, Sandoval and MM are the likely casualties in this scenario. Maybe Gerber is the 4th now that Okert is gone. Or maybe they go with Garcia over Vogt since Vogt has apparently already agreed to start in Sacto.

 

[MarcoPolo]

(Color me confused...)

Why do you keep Vogt in the list for opening day? Didn't the Giants announce a couple of days ago that Vogt agreed to open the season in Sacramento, because he isn't 100% yet?

 

[calsnowskier]

(Color me confused...)

Why do you keep Vogt in the list for opening day? Didn't the Giants announce a couple of days ago that Vogt agreed to open the season in Sacramento, because he isn't 100% yet?

I think he to do it if needed. I did not read that as he WOULD start in Sacto. Just that he was willing to.

But the roster crunch is putting me more in the Garcia camp.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Giants release Cameron Maybin

Veteran Rene Rivera and rookie Aramis Garcia continue to compete for the backup catcher job, but Bochy said Stephen Vogt has agreed to open the season at Triple-A Sacramento. Vogt is coming off shoulder surgery and he has not yet caught in a Cactus League game.

 

[LHG]

I think he to do it if needed. I did not read that as he WOULD start in Sacto. Just that he was willing to.

But the roster crunch is putting me more in the Garcia camp.

But consider that Bochy said that Vogt has not even caught a spring training game yet. No way he gets on the OP roster for SF.

 

[SFGRTB]

The Giants' media has been EXTREMELY pro Sandoval today. Seems like Pablo's agent is working some overtime.

 

[LHG]

My latest guess on the OP roster:
Pitchers (13): Bergen (25), Moronta (26), Rodriguez (26), Stratton (28), Bumgarner (29), Simth (29), Dyson (30), Pomeranz (30), Holland (32), Vincent (32), Watson (33), Melancon (34), Samardzija (34)
Catchers (2): Garcia (26), Posey (32)
Infielders (6): Joe (26), Panik (28), Belt (30), Solarte (31), Crawford (32), Longoria (33)
Outfielders (4): Duggar (25), Reed (26), Williamson (28), Parra (31)

Only 12 players will be under 30 on Opening Day. No one will be under 25. The youngest 5 players would be Bergen, Duggar, Garcia, Moronta and Reed. If Gott makes the team over Bergen, then it would be Duggar, Garcia, Moronta, Reed and Rodriguez.

 

[SFGRTB]

My latest guess on the OP roster:
Infielders (6): Joe (26), Panik (28)

Heh

 

[filosofy29]

I’m not for or against it, but I legit have no idea what the FO is doing.

Giants acquire Kratz from Brewers.

 

[SFGRTB]

I’m not for or against it, but I legit have no idea what the FO is doing.

Giants acquire Kratz from Brewers.

Looking at it purely from a player-to-player comparison, the bats are about equal (utter shit), but defensively Kratz is top-tier, whereas Rivera is upper-middle.

In the grand scheme of things, though, this feels extremely marginal and pointless. We'll see I guess. I'm willing to give FZ a couple years to work his plan.

 

[filosofy29]

Looking at it purely from a player-to-player comparison, the bats are about equal (utter shit), but defensively Kratz is top-tier, whereas Rivera is upper-middle.

In the grand scheme of things, though, this feels extremely marginal and pointless. We'll see I guess. I'm willing to give FZ a couple years to work his plan.

Same, I know he’s been laid a daunting task at his feet. No judgement here, more just confusion. I’m willing to give him a long leash.

 

[LHG]

Looking at it purely from a player-to-player comparison, the bats are about equal (utter shit), but defensively Kratz is top-tier, whereas Rivera is upper-middle.

In the grand scheme of things, though, this feels extremely marginal and pointless. We'll see I guess. I'm willing to give FZ a couple years to work his plan.

Its a real head scratcher. Don't just compare the two but also look at who the Giants lose in this - Hinojosa and possibly Jose Lopez. What is the point?

 

[LHG]

Same, I know he’s been laid a daunting task at his feet. No judgement here, more just confusion. I’m willing to give him a long leash.

And it feels like, from my perspective, that he's just doing transactions for the sake of being active, because there isn't much he really can do right now. Its like the card player who just keeps shuffling the deck excessively because he can. Sometimes these moves marginally improve the roster, sometimes they marginally make the roster worse. Most of them do nothing but trade out names.

 

[SFGRTB]

And it feels like, from my perspective, that he's just doing transactions for the sake of being active, because there isn't much he really can do right now. Its like the card player who just keeps shuffling the deck excessively because he can. Sometimes these moves marginally improve the roster, sometimes they marginally make the roster worse. Most of them do nothing but trade out names.

*places tinfoil hat on head*

Maybe he's just bracing fans to get use to this type of activity and player movement for a franchise that has long held onto players past their expiration date.

 

[SFGRTB]

Same, I know he’s been laid a daunting task at his feet. No judgement here, more just confusion. I’m willing to give him a long leash.

This one is extra confusing. I mean Kratz is a great backup, but for this team it seems odd.

 

[LHG]

Updated guess on OP roster:
Pitchers (13): Bergen (25), Moronta (26), Rodriguez (26), Stratton (28), Bumgarner (29), Simth (29), Dyson (30), Pomeranz (30), Holland (32), Vincent (32), Watson (33), Melancon (34), Samardzija (34)
Catchers (2): Posey (32), Kratz (38)
Infielders (6): Joe (26), Panik (28), Belt (30), Solarte (31), Crawford (32), Longoria (33)
Outfielders (4): Duggar (25), Reed (26), Williamson (28), Parra (31)

Now only 11 players will be under 30 on Opening Day. No one will be under 25. The youngest 5 players would be Bergen, Duggar, Moronta, Reed and Rodriguez. If Gott makes the team over Bergen, then it would be Duggar, Garcia, Moronta, Reed, Rodriguez and Gott.

Newest addition Kratz is the oldest player on the roster and has no options left, but he still has two years of control.

 

[LHG]

This one is extra confusing. I mean Kratz is a great backup, but for this team it seems odd.

I don't understand why Garcia gets the boot. He played well last September and this spring. He's young, he's got options, he is somewhat versatile. Why give up a marginal middle infield prospect (Hinojosa) and risk losing starting pitching depth (Lopez), two areas that are thin in this system, for an old, out of options catcher who is very slightly better than the guy that was just jettisoned from camp?