Why are many so quick to assume that Boogie is gone from Golden State after the season?

[shopson67]

Turner is owed $72 million over the next four years. Even if we wanted Boogie (which we don't), we would have to find a taker for that contract.

You would have no problem.

 

[shopson67]

His PER is still better than Turner's coming off an Achilles playing on a team with four all stars . He will find a suitor and I can only assume you're being purposefully obtuse at this point.

PER doesn't measure defense, which is Boogie's Achilles heal (ba-dum-pum)

 

[shopson67]

THey can't afford him unless KD leaves.

If you were him would you take 15-20 million or 5 -7 million to stay with the Warriors?

I know what I'd do.

Any cap space generated by KD leaving will be absorbed into Klay's new contract. Golden State can re-sign him regardless of cap, but only for a limited amount due to not having his bird rights.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Any cap space generated by KD leaving will be absorbed into Klay's new contract. Golden State can re-sign him regardless of cap, but only for a limited amount due to not having his bird rights.

Good point.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

PER doesn't measure defense, which is Boogie's Achilles heal (ba-dum-pum)

I get that but the point is even sharing the rock with four other guys of that caliber and coming off a major injury he still has a better PER. And that's despite not hitting threes well.

And for the record his stats don't really show he's nearly as bad defensively as one thinks. In fact he has a higher WAR on defense than offense. He's not great rim protector I will say that.

 

[msgkings322]

Yep. I am sure that players would give up a few $$ to win a championship but not tens of millions of dollars over an extended time. People always seem to forget that this is not just a game but the overall life for these guys & a way of building a future for their families.

Not to mention his specific situation. He had a career threatening injury. He has never had a huge contract. He will get one if he can
Might not even be a contender, he has been a mixed blessing at best for the Ws. I'm still not sure he's helping the team overall

 

[msgkings322]

I get that but the point is even sharing the rock with four other guys of that caliber and coming off a major injury he still has a better PER. And that's despite not hitting threes well.

And for the record his stats don't really show he's nearly as bad defensively as one thinks. In fact he has a higher WAR on defense than offense. He's not great rim protector I will say that.

I don't care what the numbers say his defense is shit. He cannot guard the pick and roll so teams just hammer him there and he is usually a liability overall, especially when only hitting 25% on 3s. Add his attitude and I will not miss him one little bit.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Not to mention his specific situation. He had a career threatening injury. He has never had a huge contract. He will get one if he can
Might not even be a contender, he has been a mixed blessing at best for the Ws. I'm still not sure he's helping the team overall

He has to hit threes at his career rate imo otherwise the Dubs have enough offense and really just need a guy to set screens and protect the rim it feels like. Like Bogut lol. But not old Bogut.

 

[shopson67]

I get that but the point is even sharing the rock with four other guys of that caliber and coming off a major injury he still has a better PER. And that's despite not hitting threes well.

And for the record his stats don't really show he's nearly as bad defensively as one thinks. In fact he has a higher WAR on defense than offense. He's not great rim protector I will say that.

Re-watch that Celtics-Warriors game and see who the Celtics were feasting on, match-up and pick/roll wise.

 

[shopson67]

I don't care what the numbers say his defense is shit. He cannot guard the pick and roll so teams just hammer him there and he is usually a liability overall, especially when only hitting 25% on 3s. Add his attitude and I will not miss him one little bit.

All reasons why I didn't (and still don't) want the Lakers chasing him. I was a little shocked when he signed for basically nothing with the Warriors, but he was going to miss a lot of time too.

 

[CitySushi]

Just looked it up and it is 120%, meaning Cousins could only make $6.4 million next season if he re-signed. Still possible if no other team is legitimately interested in throwing him big bucks.

Yeah that's why I said the biggest threats to him leaving would be a team that views him as a cap filler. Second biggest threat is if the Warriors themselves don't want him back. I think we'll really have to see how he plays in the playoffs and his demeanor in certain game situations that will be the telling factor.

 

[CitySushi]

Re-watch that Celtics-Warriors game and see who the Celtics were feasting on, match-up and pick/roll wise.

That's pretty much the only reason they went after Bogut. Looney is a great perimeter defender for a big, but he can't handle any of the legitimate post players in the NBA because he's just not big enough. Jordan Bell has been hit or miss. They really needed another big as a defender and that at very minimum is what Bogut brings to the table.

It'll be interesting to see how Boogie reacts if he gets benched defensively for Looney, Bogut or Iguodala to go small. Boogie's offense in truth is really just a bonus to this team.

 

[msgkings322]

All reasons why I didn't (and still don't) want the Lakers chasing him. I was a little shocked when he signed for basically nothing with the Warriors, but he was going to miss a lot of time too.

In hindsight the Ws were the best fit for him, no one else could take a chance on waiting half the year for him, and he could get a ring
I also understand why the Ws would make the move but now that we see his actual effect on the team I am calling it a failed experiment. Probably not enough to derail another championship but if they fall short he will be one of the reasons why

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Y'all are crazy. This is still the same league Alan Crabbe makes like 17 million in. Cousins gets a minimum of 12

 

[Montalban]

Who is realistically going to make a big offer from him to lure him away from the Warriors? To me, his track record is too sketchy for that to happen. Brooklyn? Good young team, but is he really the guy you want to surround your young talent with? The Lakers...Would they really give up any chances to sign AD outright for Boogie???

I just don't see any realistic scenarios here.

I see Klay getting his max, and Boogie signing another relatively cheap one-year deal to remain in GS. Durant could go to the Knicks if he gets another star to go with him (Kyrie or Kemba). Otherwise, I see him ending up in Brooklyn. No chance he goes to that craphole franchise without another max player...

Then in a year when Iggy's deal comes off the books, the Warriors will have more wiggle room in free agency and will once again look like winners even if they lose Durant. I still get a kick out of their sappy fans constantly playing the "victim" card due to their team having so many "haters", though.

Because he does nothing to improve the team. They don't need a 7 foot three-point specialist who won't rebound or provide inside scoring defense.

 

[Montalban]

In hindsight the Ws were the best fit for him, no one else could take a chance on waiting half the year for him, and he could get a ring
I also understand why the Ws would make the move but now that we see his actual effect on the team I am calling it a failed experiment. Probably not enough to derail another championship but if they fall short he will be one of the reasons why

Yep.

 

[CitySushi]

In hindsight the Ws were the best fit for him, no one else could take a chance on waiting half the year for him, and he could get a ring
I also understand why the Ws would make the move but now that we see his actual effect on the team I am calling it a failed experiment. Probably not enough to derail another championship but if they fall short he will be one of the reasons why

This is probably a huge overreaction, but at the root there is probably some truth.

Boogie was always looked at like a luxury. They should treat him as such and not be concerned about making him a focal point of the team like they have tried to do. Cousins has his strengths and he has his weaknesses. Those strengths should be highlighted when needed and if his weaknesses are exposed he should sit. It's pretty simple.

This is partly on the coaching staff. They're viewing Cousins as another "all-star" addition to the team when in actuality for this seasons purposes he should be viewed as a role player. He's a high output offense guy, with minimal defense.

The overreaction is crazy. Boogie's not the problem persay, it's his usage. Instead of plugging him in as their starting center he should role with the 2nd unit almost exclusively for buckets. He should get more run against teams with great bigs like OKC, Philly, Toronto, etc, but sit in games against the Rockets, Celtics, etc.

 

[msgkings322]

This is probably a huge overreaction, but at the root there is probably some truth.

Boogie was always looked at like a luxury. They should treat him as such and not be concerned about making him a focal point of the team like they have tried to do. Cousins has his strengths and he has his weaknesses. Those strengths should be highlighted when needed and if his weaknesses are exposed he should sit. It's pretty simple.

This is partly on the coaching staff. They're viewing Cousins as another "all-star" addition to the team when in actuality for this seasons purposes he should be viewed as a role player. He's a high output offense guy, with minimal defense.

The overreaction is crazy. Boogie's not the problem persay, it's his usage. Instead of plugging him in as their starting center he should role with the 2nd unit almost exclusively for buckets. He should get more run against teams with great bigs like OKC, Philly, Toronto, etc, but sit in games against the Rockets, Celtics, etc.

All true but unless and until the coaches figure that out he's part of the problem. Not the whole problem of course but a factor.

 

[CitySushi]

All true but unless and until the coaches figure that out he's part of the problem. Not the whole problem of course but a factor.

Yeah, but then that's a coaching problem and not a Boogie problem. Your premise is kind of eerily similar to another panic poster on here who said Boogie needs to play more defense because that's what the Warriors need. That's not how it works. The team needs to figure out how to use him and play to his strengths. Until then Boogie's gonna do what he does best on offense and his weakness are still going to be exposed.

 

[CitySushi]

He's literally one of the best rebounders in the league

Don't argue with this guy. Basically he's Randy Quaid's character from Major League. Seriously, he has his own thread here to bitch about the Warriors. Do not engage, lol.