Mariners trade deadline thread

[seahawksfan234]

Trumbo? Ackley? Trumbo & Ackley? Gausman hasn't lived up to hype so far, but for a team like M's he is worth the risk and if they would take either or both of these guys we lost nothing.

Only 24 years old, had a 3.57 ERA in 20 starts last year. Formerly considered a top prospect. Ranked #10 by BaseballProspectus. Not doing too hot this year as you mentioned, but the Mariners seem to have good luck with pitchers so I don't see why not.

Sure as hell better than Ackley and or Trumbo.

 

[NWinAZ]

Imagine how much worse we would be without them. Our #1 and #2 hitters. I know we've had the discussion on mediocre vs. terrible, but I think that really pushes us into the terrible range without them.

The fact that Cruz hit so many solo shots is more reflective on the inability of the rest of the lineup to get on base, primarily those who were hitting in front of him (yes, I'm looking at you Cruz).

Or it could be the fact that he just hits better with no pressure. Men on and he locks up.

And even with him are we not at a lower run pace last year w/o him? Again, not complaining about him because it was a big get but it is all about timing. Last year you would expect he would have gotten us into the playoffs (playing game to see if we make the playoffs) instead we sign him now and he has to make up for Can-not and his issues putting us right back where we were. I don't differentiate between mediocre and terrible. I look at making playoffs or being at the bottom. Being in the middle in sports is always the worst place to be. Afraid to trade at deadline, get worse pick in draft, afraid to take on players at deadline, and having the misguided belief you are actually close. Bad, bad, bad.

 

[NWinAZ]

Trumbo? Ackley? Trumbo & Ackley? Gausman hasn't lived up to hype so far, but for a team like M's he is worth the risk and if they would take either or both of these guys we lost nothing.

If this is the market price, then no way we get him for Trumbo and Ackley.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Or it could be the fact that he just hits better with no pressure. Men on and he locks up.

And even with him are we not at a lower run pace last year w/o him? Again, not complaining about him because it was a big get but it is all about timing. Last year you would expect he would have gotten us into the playoffs (playing game to see if we make the playoffs) instead we sign him now and he has to make up for Can-not and his issues putting us right back where we were. I don't differentiate between mediocre and terrible. I look at making playoffs or being at the bottom. Being in the middle in sports is always the worst place to be. Afraid to trade at deadline, get worse pick in draft, afraid to take on players at deadline, and having the misguided belief you are actually close. Bad, bad, bad.

Not including tonight,

Cruz is hitting .300 on the year. .305/.354/.571 with nobody on and .314/.394/.554 with RISP.

The deviation is not much by situation. His HR rate is 0.074 with nobody on (44 over 600 ABs) and 0.065 with RISP (39 over 600 ABs). So I doubt it's a pressure thing. His HR rate is a tick higher with nobody on, but it's still pretty similar with RISP.

Cruz has actually been extremely valuable in close situations, hitting .347 when the team is within 1 run, and .368 in tie games.

We are at a lower pace than last year without him. But that is because we have regressed so significantly at other positions that Cruz and Smith's additions don't offset them.

2014: C: 162 G 23 HR 73 RBI .206/.254/.378
2015: C: 94 G 9 HR 25 RBI .152/.205/.263

2014: 1B: 162 G 17 HR 73 RBI .252/.314/.399
2015: 1B: 94 G 12 HR 35 RBI .233/.306/.376

2014: 2B: 162 G 12 HR 83 RBI .315/.379/.448
2015: 2B: 94 G 9 HR 36 RBI .253/.296/.388

2014: SS: 162 G 11 HR 49 RBI .242/.303/.352
2015: SS: 94 G 5 HR 25 RBI .226/.285/.334

2014: LF: 162 G 16 HR 69 RBI .241/.284/.383
2015: LF: 94 G 11 HR 28 RBI .225/.288/.375

These 5 positions have regressed significantly offensively.

3B remains pretty much the same. Mild improvement from CF, significant improvement from RF (Cruz + Smith), and significant improvement at DH (Cruz + Smith).

The only positions the Mariners have improved at are DH and RF. The rest of the lineup remains relatively unchanged (CF, 3B), or has regressed (C, 1B, 2B, SS, LF).

 

[seahawksfan234]

If this is the market price, then no way we get him for Trumbo and Ackley.

Was just going to say that. I'd like to land Gausman but I didn't get the impression he had Paxton or Walker value.

Tyson Ross and Justin Upton are both good players. Upton is obviously a rental, but Tyson Ross is under team control until 2018 and has a 3.02 ERA over his last 51 starts. He's a good pitcher.

I would not make that deal if I were the Padres. Gausman seems like a nice reclamation project, but I wouldn't trade Upton and Ross for him. Either Upton for Gausman or Ross for Gausman straight up seems like too much from the Padres perspective.

J.A. Happ and say Dustin Ackley or Trump sounds more appropriate.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Didn't mean to say Trump, meant to say Trumbo lol. Too much time on the political forum.

 

[NWinAZ]

Cruz is hitting .300 on the year. .305/.354/.571 with nobody on and .314/.394/.554 with RISP.

But with runners on, he is hitting .292/.374/.479. Those are the numbers we are comparing.

 

[NWinAZ]

Was just going to say that. I'd like to land Gausman but I didn't get the impression he had Paxton or Walker value.

Tyson Ross and Justin Upton are both good players. Upton is obviously a rental, but Tyson Ross is under team control until 2018 and has a 3.02 ERA over his last 51 starts. He's a good pitcher.

I would not make that deal if I were the Padres. Gausman seems like a nice reclamation project, but I wouldn't trade Upton and Ross for him. Either Upton for Gausman or Ross for Gausman straight up seems like too much from the Padres perspective.

J.A. Happ and say Dustin Ackley or Trump sounds more appropriate.

I wouldn't either and I would love to get Ross for us. Always liked the guy.

Good point throwing in Happ and one of them. That would work as well for me. I think we should trade every upcoming free agent to be and get what we can for them. Lookout Landing said we should wait for a win deal for Kuma because he is more likely to re-sign. I say why do we want him and his $8-$10M he will ask for? Plus, if he really wants back here so badly, then re-sign him after the season even if traded.

 

[cezero]

please just trade kuma while he has some perceived value. please, please, please.

it's a no-brainer. he'll jump at a chance to sign with seattle this offseason if jack z or whoever is in charge thinks they need him.

 

[unlvmariners]

please just trade kuma while he has some perceived value. please, please, please.

it's a no-brainer. he'll jump at a chance to sign with seattle this offseason if jack z or whoever is in charge thinks they need him.

I have convinced myself that trading Kuma needs to happen. I think he has some value, not much, to the teams that need starting pitching but don't want to pay the price it takes to get the top tier guys. Kuma should be had very cheap. But I think if the Mariners get any interest at all then they need to pull the trigger.

 

[SeattleCoug]

Not watching the game but looking at Kuma's line it seems to be good. Hopefully a trade happens before the next start.

 

[NWinAZ]

Not watching the game but looking at Kuma's line it seems to be good. Hopefully a trade happens before the next start.

Ya he couldn't get an out in the first it seemed and then shut them down the next 6 innings w/o any problems. If this doesn't increase his value, nothing will. With Kazmir traded today, things should start moving.

 

[SeattleCoug]

At the end of the day the Mariners will be the Mariners

 

[unlvmariners]

At the end of the day the Mariners will be the Mariners

Mariners = Dumb

 

[NWinAZ]

At the end of the day the Mariners will be the Mariners

AL West Notes: Iwakuma, Samardzija, Astros, Angels
By Steve Adams [July 23, 2015 at 6:16pm CDT]
With a string of three consecutive strong starts under his belt, Hisashi Iwakuma would make for an interesting trade candidate, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. However, as Sherman reports, the Mariners remain hesitant to undergo any sort of sale of veteran pieces as the trade deadline nears. Iwakuma, who’s earning just $7MM this season ($2.86MM remaining), has now allowed just four runs over his past 20 2/3 innings, striking out 18 hitters against four walks in that time.

 

[seahawksfan234]

But with runners on, he is hitting .292/.374/.479. Those are the numbers we are comparing.

Wouldn't you say RISP is more important? Either way, the numbers are still not that far off.

 

[seahawksfan234]

I wouldn't either and I would love to get Ross for us. Always liked the guy.

Good point throwing in Happ and one of them. That would work as well for me. I think we should trade every upcoming free agent to be and get what we can for them. Lookout Landing said we should wait for a win deal for Kuma because he is more likely to re-sign. I say why do we want him and his $8-$10M he will ask for? Plus, if he really wants back here so badly, then re-sign him after the season even if traded.

Kuma is a really risky player, difficult to determine what to do with him.

I could see him being traded and going back to his 2.66 ERA form, but I could also see us holding on to him and he struggles with injuries. Honestly there is a lot that can go right by holding on to him, and a lot that can go wrong.

Holding on to him is a high risk, high reward situation. But I do know that if we hold on to him and he struggles with injuries going forward, or is not the pitcher he used to be, we will be kicking ourselves. On the other hand though, will we even get anything worth a damn for him?

 

[NWinAZ]

Wouldn't you say RISP is more important? Either way, the numbers are still not that far off.

We were talking about how 68% of his homers were solo homers so RISP doesn't come into play.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Neither of the prospects that the Athletics landed for Kazmir were in the top 20 in the Astros organization.

Is that really what we want for Kuma, lol?

 

[seahawksfan234]

We were talking about how 68% of his homers were solo homers so RISP doesn't come into play.

I was responding to how you said you thought he "locks up" with men on base. That stat line doesn't look like locking up to me. Sure, it's a few ticks down from his cumulative line, but it's still good.