Mariners 2023 - 2024 offseason thread

[NWinAZ]

@NWinAZ if you want another example of my dislike for Ty and Dane now, go listen to the podcast they released today. They were a fun listen until Jerry came on their show now it is just a hate listen

I listened to one of theirs today and I can't even remember what it was about...lol. I will have to look that one up. Thanks.

 

[NWinAZ]

I listened to one of theirs today and I can't even remember what it was about...lol. I will have to look that one up. Thanks.

I listened to Monday's Mailbag or whatever they call it. Still looking for the other one you mentioned.

 

[ulmax]

IFWE DONT..take examples from other teams we wont know how the mariners should proceed..
so
miami as the biggest example ...
miami in rebuild...till this.year...verry simular..to the mariners..and what they are going through..
baltimore..no...
sandiego..yes..and useing...thoughs 3 as the examples..we can..see..what the mariners need to do...


miami buit on pitching.as well
baltimore..on hitting.....

sandiego..as the bad example..was suppse to be built..on pitching..and..they were...until...they traded it all..away..
and know..see where they..are...

miami.being in a long rebuild..with .almost no money...and other issues as well....

baltimore..no...they..are..draft...collage guys..mostly...for a speedy return...whitch they are gitting....


but...tere pitching..is a bit...short...and they are still..trying..to...add..pitchers...that do not cost..a lot...

but mariners being like...san diego.....would shoot themselves in the foot...
ifthey were to...trade there pitching......if you dont have pitching...you have nothing

fans dont care......yeah i know...they just want a winner....

know to go to the playoffs...and succed there...seattle..needs ..hitting....

and this is were..the problem...is...

seattle..has built good pitching.....ws..pitching...if..they can add the hitters at this point...

with....

1crawford...ss
2julio...cf
3...
4...
5raliegh...catch
6...
7kelenic...lf
8...
..9...Rojas .3b

bench...
10...
11
12 canzone...
13...

ya need about 7 guys here
this is were...san..diego..failed...just at this point..and just about this..time when they added moldiado...in free agets..
but that..was not..the problem....they traded...there pitching away....that was the problem.....

know...with...7 guys to.go..and the minors finnally about to touch.....
everyone..is saying...trade me...your good pitching........

just exactlly why should i do that...so you can go to the ws....and not the mariners..
artical continued..in a bit...ill get on my phone..

 

[ulmax]

Cont article..
Ok..so..
The #3..and..#4..spots.are the most important..
And an every day 2b..
Then...3 backup. guys
Including .1b..
Cuz ya need to trade .France..

Murphy..is free agent..and I'm ok .if they bring..him back .he is one of the best.hitting.
catchers in the game....and for a back..up..
ok..but he is injured..a lot..
but mariners..have .Torrens .and i.think.
Will try .to keep..murphy...with ford.comming.
It seems good .
If not there is carantini..

3 years..5mil.a year..ok sounds ok..
At the end.of which..Ford should be ready
And raliegh will be needing a huge..
Contract...but ok.
Cont .

 

[ulmax]

Down to 6 guys..mariners...need to move on..
From .Moore..I know he can hit. but just.
Not good enough...
Ss..utility..
At the same time.mariners need. an every.day..2b..moving Rojas..to..3b..
Were he better...

Amed Rosario .could fill..that.role..
And hitting..left handers better ..
But Rosario..defence..at 2b..is good..
His hitting..took a dive...when .went to dodgers..
Witch..means..in a contract.year..
Rosario..is going to..be cheap..but
You will.get.good.defence..
Roario...
Is capable.of filling.both..ss.utility..
And every day..2b...
He will .hit better .when platooned...
And .in a stable. situation
Being risp .20..for Cleveland...

So..call.him..every..day..2b..
But he is really .utility..as..well..
And can..LF..

And really..is..what Seattle..is looking for..
But the need to .platoon him...at times not
All. the time...makes it possable...
To..
Add a guy .like garcia..who.hits..270..
And..is left handed hitter..2b..
But needs .to add .some..pop..to.his hitting.
And he can.and has the power .
He just.needs to put both.together

While.he is .prob..future..3b./1b..
Right know .he is .2b./ss...but it's ok..
He is 23 yo..with 4 years.of.mlb..experience..

So..Rosario .and garcia.fill..utility..and every day..2b...
For me.....know down to..5.guys needed..
With..
Murphy..likely 3 years 5mil.a.year..free agent.
Rosario .likely..3 years..10 mil a year..free agent
Garcia..750.a year.trade..

Cont.

 

[ulmax]

In the same trade with natbats..
I attempt.to solve.outfield as well..
With..
Lane..Thomas..rf .R/R.hitter...who. Is.
A good rf..
Signed till..2026..
Arb.eligable..
So down.to..
4 guys .needed

 

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I.take care of.1b.problems..in this way..
A trade .with dodgers .
Sending.france..who dodgers.woukd get..
A rosario..type..hitter .witch.is better..
Than..and more of.. what.the dodgers..
Wanted..with Rosario..with playoff experience..France is a guy who dodgers.
Can use .to platoon...with.freeman.
And dh..
Witch..France is well.suited.for...
That .said .my trade..
Is...
France..for Vargas .
Topa .for stone..
And some fill ins....

Santana..as..a free.agent..
Lolololl.
He is master..Sargent..Santana..mariners must win him.in free agent..
3 years..7mil a year should do..
No excuses here...no matter the cost..(well.almost).
So..
That..is.1b...now down..
To..dh..
I choose a trade.with.white..sox.for Jimenez.
But..get who you will..on this one..

Garcia..has.the experience..to.#3.hitter.
So there is really no one else needed.
But you could.add a naylor..but don't expect.
Cleveland.to trade him..they are looking.
For hitting. .
So that..idea is out .

Close.enough.dont expect..pitching.
Trades .that's why..I trade.some one else's.
Pitching..

As the baseball..turns.

 

[ulmax]

Know..this all..fits..with minor.league stuff.
Bliss
And cabellero.could.not.fit.better.
While..
Locklear..
Windash.
And young..all fit .
Where I put free.agents..
Big happy.face..
The cost is not..exceive..
While trading.gonzoles..and suarez.
Witch..is the price.of..
Snell..ohh look..he is..a LHP..
And..no.matter..he is connected.to.the community....and weather.he comes here.
Or not...
He does fit Seattle...pitching
.cuz robbie..ray..is your.innings.eater..
I don't.want.pitchers.that are the same.

Ohh look.i saw that guy yesterday .
He is the same..as other.guy..

Not on my team..ya.dont.

 

[ulmax]

My team...
1 Crawford..ss.L.rosario.
2julio..cf..kelenic
3garcia...2b.L.rosario Vargas
4.jimenez..dh.canzone.
5 raliegh .catch sw/ left.murphy.torrens.
6.thomas..rf..canzone
7.santana..L.vargas..R
8rojas...3b.L..rosario..
9.kelenic..LF...L..canzone

Bench .
Murphy..
Rosario..
Canzone..
Vargas../white..fingers crossed..

Tac..
Cat torrens
1b white..
2b cabellero..
Ss bliss..
3b trade Tampa for bull pen guy of coarse.
Austin Shenton,
Dh Ford..

Spence.packard..lf.
Cade Marlowe .cf.
Alberto Rodriguez..rf.

Arkansas.
Cat Ford.
1b.locklear..
2b.windash..
Ss cole young
3b polkavich..

LF.whitecsox trade .
Cf johnaton clase..
Rf.charles Perez jr..rf.

 

[ulmax]

My rot.in.nation,
1.castillo.
2.Kerby.
3 Snell..LHP.
4 gilbert
5.Robbie ray .left.( miller)

6.miller..
7hancock..
8 dollard.
And I'm stop.
Cuz there.are really..no more..

 

[ulmax]

Bull.pen..with.more guys will.be added.of.
Coarse...
Woo.
Campbell.
Benitez L/L..
Bazardo,.

Speier..L/L.
Brash..

Seawald..replace..
Munoz ..
.....................
Adcock..
Jensen..
Kuhn..
Saddler,.
More.for sure will be added..

All other..teams .want.maribers pitching..
I'm not giving..
It up and go on to loose .
Bull .grinning .Baltimore .

 

[ulmax]

Right continue..to live..in fear.of Seattle's.
Pitching..
Baltimore..
See ya next..year ..

As the baseball turns..

 

[ulmax]

Good bad and ugly..mariners..continue.
There search

.not unlike Miami..
But maybe .better..after this off-season..

Baseball..turning and burning..

 

[ulmax]

I remember..the pitt..steelers.
The year before they went to there 1st.
Super bowl...
Terry hanrady..qb..terry Bradshaw the back.
Up..
Not the next year .and added Lynn swan.
And the defence was monster..
De line and libackers...

Seattle mariners..will be in the playoff.next.year..

They just needed that 6 months..to.
Eval what
They actually had...
And know guys like.thomas..And garcia are.avalable..yeah Vargas as well...where last year they were not.

 

[wazzu31]

I listened to one of theirs today and I can't even remember what it was about...lol. I will have to look that one up. Thanks.

My bad, I meant only the 2nd half. It was just a ball washing of Jerry. Then they attacked the fans for being toxic cause the 54% memes and questioning Jerry’s process. The big one that pissed me off is he said he would make the Graveman trade. Say what you want about the deal but with hindsight I can’t take someone seriously that they care about winning if they would still do it.

I understand Woody’s process in getting Healthcliff Slocumb and have always say well to be fair. But I can admit it was wrong with hindsight. I just dont get how someone could say they would still do the Graveman trade.

 

[NWinAZ]

Tim Dierkes

@mlbtrmariners
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Mets Claim Penn Murfee From Mariners

 

[ulmax]

Jerry is not the best interview..every time..
Sometimes.he is fairly good..
Even.though. in team meetings ..he has to know .54 pct..and a lot more ..
It's his business .to know..that .stuff..
And.without a full explanation...well...
but .yeah .I get .the..
Fans ..they.want.to.win..
And don't want to go back.to..
20 years .of..hell..under .japanees rule .
Taking..
Profits ..at all costs .and the cost .of your baseball..team...
Makes .it hell...for..the fans ....
When owners..don't.really..care...and getting.
Money from them..is hard as well..

Fanhell ..Expedia .says. See .mariners.

Lololoollo

 

[NWinAZ]

My bad, I meant only the 2nd half. It was just a ball washing of Jerry. Then they attacked the fans for being toxic cause the 54% memes and questioning Jerry’s process. The big one that pissed me off is he said he would make the Graveman trade. Say what you want about the deal but with hindsight I can’t take someone seriously that they care about winning if they would still do it.

I understand Woody’s process in getting Healthcliff Slocumb and have always say well to be fair. But I can admit it was wrong with hindsight. I just dont get how someone could say they would still do the Graveman trade.

Yes! Yes! Yes! I said the exact same thing while listening to it and was ready to punch him through the computer. What a joke. Blaming fans for what dumb shit Jerry said.

Me too on the Graveman BS. Yes I would take that trade back in hindsight. I took it back live and it never worked out. It was bad for baseball and karma reasons...lol.

I still can't agree with you on the Slocumb deal. That was way too high a price for a mediocre closer. And yes I know the Dan Wilson argument, but that doesn't mean you give them away for a bum.

Twenty years later, after helping one of those teams get over the hump, the Mariners are still waiting for their first pennant. And while there are a lot of reasons for that, here’s hoping you’ll take a moment to remember them making one of the worst trades in baseball history. It didn’t make that much sense at the time, and it doesn’t make that much sense now, even if you spend a thousand words or so trying to make sense of it. Did you know that Slocumb had allowed 95 baserunners in 46 ⅔ innings before the trade?

 

[ulmax]

I also. dont want to.see..gonzales..not traded
It's time to move on..
At verry.least..the Rockies..well..take.him.
And his 12.mil...
Then.suarez..and his 11..mil..
Traded..will get .the mariners..Snell..
Yes. Marko ..can be from here .in.the offseason..we still.like..and.love.our..
Northwest..athletes...

And he has done a lot for the mariners..
But know. its time to move on...

 

[ulmax]

Just ask .bob melvin. when its time..
To move on..it's time to move.on..