Does the 2013 Seahawks defense deserve to be considered one of the best ever?

[HammerDown]

Utter and complete domination vs the best offense in league history. Any freaking questions!~?!?!?!?!?!?

Dude, seriously stop with all the threads.

 

[Money]

I understand your view but disagree. The rules have changed since the heavily favoring offenses and this defense became the first since 85 to lead the league in points, yards, and turnovers. Then they totally dominated the best offense in league History against one of the best qb's ever. Sorry, but I say this one over all since 85 and I see no argument that would chance my mind.

I don't want to change your mind, but saying there is no debate on the topic is completely off the mark. Now...if you said there is no debate on the topic among your fellow Seahawks fans, I would tend to agree.

 

[757Hokie83]

Seattle's defense just scored again

 

[WizardHawk]

I don't want to change your mind, but saying there is no debate on the topic is completely off the mark. Now...if you said there is no debate on the topic among your fellow Seahawks fans, I would tend to agree.

By that logic nothing is ever beyond debate as people online debate even the debateless.

I said I understand why your fans might not agree and I'm fine with it. I would say it won't be just our fans thinking that though. Lots of the so called experts are agreeing. Yes they don't matter, but it isn't entirely a Homer thing.

 

[Rather Be Fishin']

Doomsday defense was the best, if I remember correctly.

Then the 2000 Ravens.

 

[Midnightangel]

Doomsday defense was the best, if I remember correctly.

Then the 2000 Ravens.

This according to the guy that had 'inside information' to the Broncos and said he was going to win a ton of 'Chedda' betting on them.

How'd that work out for you?

 

[Money]

By that logic nothing is ever beyond debate as people online debate even the debateless.

I said I understand why your fans might not agree and I'm fine with it. I would say it won't be just our fans thinking that though. Lots of the so called experts are agreeing. Yes they don't matter, but it isn't entirely a Homer thing.

Everyone is always looking to label something the "best ever" when it happens. It was the same with TB in '02. We'll see how the perception holds up. Only time will tell.

It was certainly a great performance.

 

[CaptainStubing]

op question = yes

 

[Oldschool739]

Everyone is always looking to label something the "best ever" when it happens. It was the same with TB in '02. We'll see how the perception holds up. Only time will tell.

It was certainly a great performance.

Pretty much agree, but at this point clearly 00Ravens, 85 Bears were better, then there's the steel curtain defense was stifling also and the old Giants were known for their strong D's.....I don't know where they would be placed, but they certainly deserve to be debated after that performance...
It is important to see if it continues as dominant against teams that are ready for it next yr to get a definite bearing on them.....It looked to me like they came in hungry and the Broncos were just glad to be there....
Total beatdown.......

 

[Stymietee]

I think a few were better such as the 85 Bears, 00 Ravens, etc, but I think they are definitely a top 10 and maybe top 5 that I have seen.

Thoughts?

You're kidding right??? Top ten?? did you mean in this era only???If not there are quite a number of defenses better. To name a few....the 1976 Jack Tatum Raiders, The 1980's Ronnie lot 49ers, 1991 Washington team, 1972 The Killer Bees, 1975 Fearsome Foursome, 1962 GB Packers, 2002 TB Bucs, 1977 Doomsday, 1971 Purple people eaters,1976 Steel Curtain, 1990 LT's Giants, 1969 KC Chiefs, 2000 Ravens, 1985 Bears,

 

[WizardHawk]

Just as you have to have an * next to 'greatest offense in hisotry' for Denver this year because we are in the era of big offense and rules that limit defense, so too does defenses of this time need to have their stats appropriately adjusted to match the prior eras as doing it now is so much harder.

That number 1 offense of all time:
Pass protection that was said to be the best in the league - DESTROYED
Running game people told us was balanced and would be effective - DESTROYED
Crossing routes that were going to wreck our LB's - DE-FUCKING-STROYED (Kam should have been MVP)
Down field passing game - DESTROYED
One of the top QB's in history - LEFT FOR DEAD
Screen passing? lol - DESTROYED

That was one of the top 5 SB performances of all time and it was again Peyton freaking Manning and that top offense IN THE ERA OF DEFENSELESS PLAYER PENALTIES.

To me it is case closed. Best ever defense? No way and I doubt anyone is suggesting it. 85' bears and the steel curtain are among those you would put higher. Best in the modern era? YES. Regular season they pwned. In the post season they DESTROYED Brees (for the second time this year) who is a HOF and prior SB winning QB, then beat their most heated rivals, and end the season with a storied beat down of the supposed best offense in history.

Where is the case to not list them as best in this era? I don't see it.

 

[Money]

Just as you have to have an * next to 'greatest offense in hisotry' for Denver this year because we are in the era of big offense and rules that limit defense, so too does defenses of this time need to have their stats appropriately adjusted to match the prior eras as doing it now is so much harder.

That number 1 offense of all time:
Pass protection that was said to be the best in the league - DESTROYED
Running game people told us was balanced and would be effective - DESTROYED
Crossing routes that were going to wreck our LB's - DE-FUCKING-STROYED (Kam should have been MVP)
Down field passing game - DESTROYED
One of the top QB's in history - LEFT FOR DEAD
Screen passing? lol - DESTROYED

That was one of the top 5 SB performances of all time and it was again Peyton freaking Manning and that top offense IN THE ERA OF DEFENSELESS PLAYER PENALTIES.

To me it is case closed. Best ever defense? No way and I doubt anyone is suggesting it. 85' bears and the steel curtain are among those you would put higher. Best in the modern era? YES. Regular season they pwned. In the post season they DESTROYED Brees (for the second time this year) who is a HOF and prior SB winning QB, then beat their most heated rivals, and end the season with a storied beat down of the supposed best offense in history.

Where is the case to not list them as best in this era? I don't see it.

Good lord. Just enjoy the SB victory. Most people aren't going to put this Seahawk defense in the top 3 of all-time. There may be some talk about it now, but that will eventually fade away (just like it did with the '02 TB defense).

 

[WizardHawk]

I wasn't talking to you, nor Ravens fans in general so relax. This is a whole thread with lots of comments and a few of the more laughable lead to that. You may see things that way, but there are those who don't think that was even a top 10 defense and have said as much.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

You're kidding right??? Top ten?? did you mean in this era only???If not there are quite a number of defenses better. To name a few....the 1976 Jack Tatum Raiders, The 1980's Ronnie lot 49ers, 1991 Washington team, 1972 The Killer Bees, 1975 Fearsome Foursome, 1962 GB Packers, 2002 TB Bucs, 1977 Doomsday, 1971 Purple people eaters,1976 Steel Curtain, 1990 LT's Giants, 1969 KC Chiefs, 2000 Ravens, 1985 Bears,

Good stuff here...


Seahawks D was awesome yesterday and should be compared with others of past eras

 

[cwood]

Statistically the Hawks are middle of the pack for recent #1 defenses. Not sure where the case for best of all time is coming from. Just enjoy the Super Bowl win.

 

[WizardHawk]

Statistically the Hawks are middle of the pack for recent #1 defenses. Not sure where the case for best of all time is coming from. Just enjoy the Super Bowl win.

Who said best of all time?

 

[ram29jackson]

85 Bears won 15-1 season games


2013 Seahawks went 13-3 = not great enough

 

[SonnyCID]

Statistically the Hawks are middle of the pack for recent #1 defenses. Not sure where the case for best of all time is coming from. Just enjoy the Super Bowl win.

Oh, I'm enjoying it. But middle of the pack? Please. The Hawks had the #1 defense in 12 and the 13 defense was much better.

 

[SonnyCID]

85 Bears won 15-1 season games


2013 Seahawks went 13-3 = not great enough

Were you not calling the 13-3 Broncos the "greatest offense of all time" for the past couple weeks?

 

[WizardHawk]

85 Bears won 15-1 season games


2013 Seahawks went 13-3 = not great enough

And who exactly is saying they were better than the 85 bears? The OP asked about ONE of the best, not THE best. That means they should be listed with some of those storied defenses of yesterday, back when they could beat the shit out of offenses.