2024 Rosterbation

[tzill]

Sure. He is a marketing unicorn. His salary should go into many different ledgers.

But they should treat signing him as gravy. Don’t let it get in the way of looking elsewhere. They were so super-focused on Judge last year that they were caught completely flat-footed when he (completely foreseeably) re-upped with the Spanks.

Great theory, could be true.

It rests on the idea that FZ can't pursue multiple players at the same time.

 

[LHG]

Great theory, could be true.

It rests on the idea that FZ can't pursue multiple players at the same time.

So who else does the FO pursue if they can/hope to land Ohtani? And how far over the tax threshold will ownership be willing to go?

Edit: Keep in mind that Ohtani may well sit most or out of 2024 while in recovery from whatever surgery he gets.

 

[calsnowskier]

I think the plan would be to get Ohtani and continue to build around him, Webb, Harry, Bailey, Tyro, Schmitt, Ramos, Matos, Whisenhunt, etc. A lot of that is hopium that the kids are worth building around but I think that's the best path forward. And, Ohtani would put butts in the seats. Once you have him, getting other big FAs becomes a lot easier.

If I had any faith in this FO, I would cosign this plan.

But our FO is headed up by FZ. And there is zero chance Ohtani signs with us when the Doggies are already built and ready to receive him.

Ohtani is a pipe dream and he ain’t coming here.

 

[calsnowskier]

Great theory, could be true.

It rests on the idea that FZ can't pursue multiple players at the same time.

Last year, he clearly couldnt. They were left without a plan once Judge went elsewhere. They were the laughingstock of the league in that whole Correa fiasco.

Props to them, though, for realizing in time that they were acting irrationally and allowed cooler heads to prevail. I will give them that.

 

[stanford the manford]

did we seriously consider Bellinger when he left the Dogs?

 

[calsnowskier]

did we seriously consider Bellinger when he left the Dogs?

The fanbase did. I don’t ever remember anything that attributed the FO to those desires, though.

 

[LHG]

did we seriously consider Bellinger when he left the Dogs?

The fanbase did. I don’t ever remember anything that attributed the FO to those desires, though.

It seems that the talk at the time of the signing is that the Cubs spent a lot of money in hopes that he would bounce back. They gambled correctly. I was interested, but not at that cost. I didn't expect him to have the season he's had.

 

[calsnowskier]

It seems that the talk at the time of the signing is that the Cubs spent a lot of money in hopes that he would bounce back. They gambled correctly. I was interested, but not at that cost. I didn't expect him to have the season he's had.

Yes. At the time, I also thought the cubs overpaid. I was wrong at the time. But I am just a dumb fan with 2% of the available information. I spout off emotionally with no positive or negative consequences to the team because of my opinions. FZ theoretically has access to 100%of the available information, and he fails AT LEAST as often as I do.

If you or I are used as the bar FZ must clear to retain his job, we are more fucked than I feared.

 

[LHG]

Yes. At the time, I also thought the cubs overpaid. I was wrong at the time. But I am just a dumb fan with 2% of the available information. I spout off emotionally with no positive or negative consequences to the team because of my opinions. FZ theoretically has access to 100%of the available information, and he fails AT LEAST as often as I do.

If you or I are used as the bar FZ must clear to retain his job, we are more fucked than I feared.

Hey, maybe we could pitch ourselves as a VP collective. We'd be cheap compared to FZ, I'm sure. What does the Giants' org have lose by making that switch?

 

[LHG]

We've already discussed possible 40 man roster adds from the org (there are not many serious candidates). How about possible dfa candidates?
Consider this:

Free agents (9) - Scott Alexander, John Brebbia, Alex Cobb (2024 option likely exercised), Brandon Crawford, Paul DeJong (2024 option, hopefully not exercised), Jakob Junis, Joc Pederson, Roberto Perez, Alex Wood.

Assume that Cobb's option is exercised and the Giants re-sign Brebbia before he walks, that puts the 40 man roster at 33.
60 day IL players (5) - Anthony DeSclafani, Mark Mathias, Roberto Perez, Thomas Szapucki, Cole Waites

Adding these players back to the 40 man roster puts the total number of players at 37 (because Perez will be a free agent). As the outset of the offseason, it would appear that the Giants don't need to dfa anyone. In fact, they could protect 3 players and still not dfa anyone. But then comes free agents. So here are the players I think are most likely to get dfa'd this offseason:
Thomas Szapucki, Joey Bart, Mark Mathias, Randy Rodriguez, Cole Waites, Brett Wisely, David Villar

The Giants won't need to dfa half these guys but they seem like the most obvious candidates. Of course, if FZ gets back on the waiver wire carousel, that will be a whole different conversation on this subject.

 

[calsnowskier]

We've already discussed possible 40 man roster adds from the org (there are not many serious candidates). How about possible dfa candidates?
Consider this:

Free agents (9) - Scott Alexander, John Brebbia, Alex Cobb (2024 option likely exercised), Brandon Crawford, Paul DeJong (2024 option, hopefully not exercised), Jakob Junis, Joc Pederson, Roberto Perez, Alex Wood.

Assume that Cobb's option is exercised and the Giants re-sign Brebbia before he walks, that puts the 40 man roster at 33.
60 day IL players (5) - Anthony DeSclafani, Mark Mathias, Roberto Perez, Thomas Szapucki, Cole Waites

Adding these players back to the 40 man roster puts the total number of players at 37 (because Perez will be a free agent). As the outset of the offseason, it would appear that the Giants don't need to dfa anyone. In fact, they could protect 3 players and still not dfa anyone. But then comes free agents. So here are the players I think are most likely to get dfa'd this offseason:
Thomas Szapucki, Joey Bart, Mark Mathias, Randy Rodriguez, Cole Waites, Brett Wisely, David Villar

The Giants won't need to dfa half these guys but they seem like the most obvious candidates. Of course, if FZ gets back on the waiver wire carousel, that will be a whole different conversation on this subject.

I would be surprised to see Bart, Waites or Szapucki DFA’d. I think of the players you listed, those 3 are lower on the potential list than Mathias or Rodriguez.

Just going off your list, I would rank them (in order of getting DFA’d)…

Mathias
Rodriguez
Villar
Wisely
Szapucki
Waites
Bart

But as you stated, there are no OBVIOUS Rule V players who need protection so we don’t have any pressure to boot anyone. I think there are too many other variables at play before we ever get to a DFA concern, and those could change this priority list quite drastically.

 

[stanford the manford]

Hey, maybe we could pitch ourselves as a VP collective. We'd be cheap compared to FZ, I'm sure. What does the Giants' org have lose by making that switch?

I like it, crowdsourcing is hip.

 

[Stokes1931]

I like it, crowdsourcing is hip.

Only if the Giants pick up our dues to filo.

 

[LHG]

Only if the Giants pick up our dues to filo.

We may need to keep filo out of this. He may raise our dues dramatically if we get hired.

 

[LHG]

I like it, crowdsourcing is hip.

Time to give the lunatic fringe their day!

 

[tzill]

Last year, he clearly couldnt. They were left without a plan once Judge went elsewhere. They were the laughingstock of the league in that whole Correa fiasco.

Props to them, though, for realizing in time that they were acting irrationally and allowed cooler heads to prevail. I will give them that.

I'm not sure that's true.

 

[tzill]

Luis Matos has had some ups and some downs but looks like he has found a groove lately. Below are his numbers since August 1 (66 PA)
.279 average
.323 OBP
.443 slugging %
110 wRC+
6.1% BB rate
19.7% K rate
.164 ISO
.329 wOBA

It’s a super small sample. Matos has shown a good understanding of the strike zone even when the hits aren’t falling. Similar to Casey Schmitt, it helps if Matos finishes the year on a strong note.

 

[calsnowskier]

Luis Matos has had some ups and some downs but looks like he has found a groove lately. Below are his numbers since August 1 (66 PA)
.279 average
.323 OBP
.443 slugging %
110 wRC+
6.1% BB rate
19.7% K rate
.164 ISO
.329 wOBA

It’s a super small sample. Matos has shown a good understanding of the strike zone even when the hits aren’t falling. Similar to Casey Schmitt, it helps if Matos finishes the year on a strong note.

Matos is super young. And as I said a few weeks ago, his struggles have not looked like “deer in the headlights” struggles (like Schmitt’s).

While I still think Schmitt may have a higher ceiling, Matos has a MUCH higher floor. And both are still LEGIT assets.

 

[tzill]

Matos is super young. And as I said a few weeks ago, his struggles have not looked like “deer in the headlights” struggles (like Schmitt’s).

While I still think Schmitt may have a higher ceiling, Matos has a MUCH higher floor. And both are still LEGIT assets.

Agreed. I expect both to be key parts of the core for years to come. Along with Ramos, Estrada, Webb, Harry, Whisenhunt, Winn....

 

[tzill]

Idea stolen from Baggs article today:

Both Forto and Manea are likely to opt out this winter.

For Forto, the lack of good FAs is going to inflate his market and he'll likely be cut slack for this year since he missed all of 2022. The thinking is that he'll get some team to bite on a multiyear contract. At 31, this will be his last chance to get one.

For Manaea, he'll likely want a clear shot at the starting rotation. He won't get that in SF, nor should he.

This makes me happy.