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calsnowskier
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I doubt we get Montgomery. I haven't heard us linked to him. Though there were no rumors around rodon or cueto either
That’s the spot they put themselves in by telling everyone that they would be leading off the off season with a grand slam.I believe Borass is the agent to Chapman, Bellinger and Snell, so we would pay top dollar for any of them.
I think the front office will get someone just to appease some Giants fans even if it isn’t a great fit.
Seems fitting as the Giants seem to have trouble hitting with RISP. Amirite, @Stokes1931 ?That’s the spot they put themselves in by telling everyone that they would be leading off the off season a with grand slam.
It is extreme; so is a tear down or passing on all FAs.That is pretty extreme. Giants' fans have shown that they come out when a winning team is built. Putting mediocre teams, like the last few seasons, hasn't helped attendance. Why continue to build mediocre teams? That lengthens out the time to an inevitable rebuild and still loses fans.
IMHO, losing a generation of fans over a 3 to 5 year rebuild seems much more extreme than passing on all FAs and a tear down. I think that the Field of Dreams mantra fits here - "If you build it, they will come". Sure, it may be a couple of lean years in attendance but if the fans are that fickle, they'll come back when the team starts winning again.It is extreme; so is a tear down or passing on all FAs.
that was my point
I spelled out my plan during Bum’s final season. And if THAT plan were followed, we would be IN the “next era” of Giants baseball already instead of floundering in sub-mediocrity AGAIN. But ownership wanted to milk Bums final few starts for the extra 5k asses in seats per instead of making the smart baseball move and smarter investment move by trading him. Remember, Bum was sour towards the org at that time. He hinted to it at his DBack presser and was going to talk about it further before the world shut down. The Giants had to know his tenure in SF was over. All the fans knew it.IMHO, losing a generation of fans over a 3 to 5 year rebuild seems much more extreme than passing on all FAs and a tear down. I think that the Field of Dreams mantra fits here - "If you build it, they will come". Sure, it may be a couple of lean years in attendance but if the fans are that fickle, they'll come back when the team starts winning again.
My memory is fuzzy, (so take this with a boulder like grain of salt), but I thought it was more that Zaidi was trying to do both…satisfy the fans and do Bochy a solid in his final year and try and get some lottery tickets too. I’m sure $ factored in a ton, but I think if Gabe Lackeekler was already under the helm they’d have done the full sell. Plus, again, iirc, I don’t think selling Bum would have netted that much at the time to make it compelling. But alas, I don’t always trust my memory much anymore.I spelled out my plan during Bum’s final season. And if THAT plan were followed, we would be IN the “next era” of Giants baseball already instead of floundering in sub-mediocrity AGAIN. But ownership wanted to milk Bums final few starts for the extra 5k asses in seats per instead of making the smart baseball move and smarter investment move by trading him. Remember, Bum was sour towards the org at that time. He hinted to it at his DBack presser and was going to talk about it further before the world shut down. The Giants had to know his tenure in SF was over. All the fans knew it.
I don’t tend to agree with this take, because they sat on Rodon as well, when he made it abundantly clear he hated Gabe and wasn’t coming back.My memory is fuzzy, (so take this with a boulder like grain of salt), but I thought it was more that Zaidi was trying to do both…satisfy the fans and do Bochy a solid in his final year and try and get some lottery tickets too. I’m sure $ factored in a ton, but I think if Gabe Lackeekler was already under the helm they’d have done the full sell. Plus, again, iirc, I don’t think selling Bum would have netted that much at the time to make it compelling. But alas, I don’t always trust my memory much anymore.
The standard line I've seen on situations like this were that the team looked into it but the return wasn't great because guys in their walk years wouldn't get a good return. Plus, the team always seemed to play its best around the trade deadline, which made the PR aspect more difficult to ship off a player like that. FZ, as filo mentioned, seemed to try the wire walk of staying "competitive" while also reloading. The results are, not surprising, mediocre.I don’t tend to agree with this take, because they sat on Rodon as well, when he made it abundantly clear he hated Gabe and wasn’t coming back.
It depends on the length of the deal. Yes, he has a high ceiling. He also has a low floor. I wouldn't want to be stuck with him for 5 or more seasons. He isn't consistent enough and he is getting older for a pitcher. He won't be good the entire time of the deal. But maybe, if he can just churn out one Cy Young season, it would possibly be worth a 3 or 4 year deal.I would rather just kick the tires on Snell.
I think someone will offer him at least a 5 year (minimum deal) and borass will demand it. I’m just hoping the FO doesn’t go for that to make some fans happy.It depends on the length of the deal. Yes, he has a high ceiling. He also has a low floor. I wouldn't want to be stuck with him for 5 or more seasons. He isn't consistent enough and he is getting older for a pitcher. He won't be good the entire time of the deal. But maybe, if he can just churn out one Cy Young season, it would possibly be worth a 3 or 4 year deal.
Keep forgetting that he is represented by Boras. That means Snell is likely to last through to February and will get way overpaid or take a pillow contract. I'd be okay with a pillow contract.I think someone will offer him at least a 5 year (minimum deal) and borass will demand it. I’m just hoping the FO doesn’t go for that to make some fans happy.
Seems fitting as the Giants seem to have trouble hitting with RISP. Amirite, @Stokes1931 ?