2024 Rosterbation

[tzill]

Woodruff is good.

But I would rather have Yamamoto and Snell.

Just read that he had shoulder surgery in October and unlikely to pitch in 2024.

That's why they non tendered him.

 

[tzill]

Grant Brisbee today:

If you’re looking for Chapman to anchor the middle of the Giants’ lineup, you will be sorely disappointed. He’s a sixth-place hitter if I’ve ever seen one. He was an MVP candidate when he was hitting .278 and launching long home runs, a real latter-day Brooks Robinson. Over the last couple of seasons, though, he’s been the Rodeo Drive version of Pedro Felíz. Which, again, helps teams win. Don’t minimize that point. But he’s not a lineup saver, and he never will be.

6/150 for a #6 hitter....hard pass

 

[calsnowskier]

The Giants beat writers are getting very slack. Not a peep about Estrada, Rogers, Wade or Davis regarding their Arb status.

I think it is fair to assume that they were all extended offers, but for not a single beat writer to expressly mention it (or question why no announcement has been made) is near malpractice.

 

[calsnowskier]

Free Agency started almost 3 weeks ago, and there has been nothing but 1 resign (Nola) and a handful of minor league deals. Am I misremembering that signings typically START much earlier than this? This just feels weird, but I am not hearing anyone talking about the fact that nothing is happening.

 

[sf1giantfan]

Free Agency started almost 3 weeks ago, and there has been nothing but 1 resign (Nola) and a handful of minor league deals. Am I misremembering that signings typically START much earlier than this? This just feels weird, but I am not hearing anyone talking about the fact that nothing is happening.

I agree, it is quiet, stinking quiet out there. But I would think with Yamamoto now open for bidding things start happening.

 

[filosofy29]

Free Agency started almost 3 weeks ago, and there has been nothing but 1 resign (Nola) and a handful of minor league deals. Am I misremembering that signings typically START much earlier than this? This just feels weird, but I am not hearing anyone talking about the fact that nothing is happening.

I always remember for like the last decade (possibly longer???) that baseball’s “hot stove” was about as hot as an ice cube.

 

[LHG]

I am expecting us to win Yamamoto. And I hope we lose out on Ohtani.

I hope we win with Yamamoto. Dude looks good.

Ohtani is a difficult call for me. Elite level talent but the cost is going to sink just about any team not named the Dodgers or Yankees (and even they are not a guarantee). The Mariners are already publicly saying that they are out of the race to get him and they had a lot going their way (besides not being the Dodgers - west coast team, Ichiro legacy, lots of money to spend). I feel like he is going to be Alex Rodriguez 2.0 (in terms of what happened to the Rangers when they landed him) if some team not named the Dodgers sign him.

 

[LHG]

With I know atm, I don’t want Belly. But if the Giants were to sign him, I would ASSUME they have dug into why he sucked in LA, and have decided that issue is behind him.

Bottom line, I would cheer if we got him, but right now, I hope we don’t.

One can only hope that your assumption is correct. Sometimes, desperate teams do stupid things to win the offseason headlines. FZ seems determined to win those headlines this offseason.

 

[LHG]

If we were to get Yamamoto and Snell, then just dumpster dives for everything else, I would call that an EXTREMELY successful off-season.

I'm not sold on Snell. Sure, he just won his 2nd Cy Young award but look at his numbers outside of those two seasons. Not that great for the contract he is going to land. He doesn't work deep into games (I know, not many pitchers do, but there are guys who still go deeper than he does), he walks a LOT of batters (and that is eventually going to come back to bite him) and he is 31 years old and is expected to get something like a 7 year, $200 million contract. I'm not sure that is a good investment.

 

[LHG]

Brandon Woodruff was non tendered by the Brewers.

Upside down world. Dude is really, really good. FZ should be on the phone to his agent right now...

what the hell are the Brewers doing?

Woodruff is good.

But I would rather have Yamamoto and Snell.

Just read that he had shoulder surgery in October and unlikely to pitch in 2024.

That's why they non tendered him.

I want Woodruff. Yes, he is a gamble but I doubt his contract is going to be more than a 2 year, prove it deal type deal. I think the Giants should invest in that. Yes, pay him a year to rehab and then see what he has in 2025. Unless he expects to get Snell type money, I think he will be worth the signing.

 

[LHG]

Morning Gentlemen ... and I'm glad to see that you are all ... almost exactly as I had hoped .... true Giant fans ... good to be back!!! I did miss the daily banter. I did follow the team last year ... until the ASB collapse. That was really tough to watch ....

Anyways ... a few choice pieces of gossip ... I was living in the NY area for all of the Judge drama last year. Interesting to say the least. Almost every sports outlet in NY had Judge returning to the NYY ... every freaking one of them. They even had some leaked information indicating that he was staying. From what I read and saw in NY .... he was never going to SF .... but that brings me to my real concern .... some writer out of Chicago (I think) started talking about about something called 'fan baiting' .... the process where by a team's ownership projects a storyline that in reality .... is almost fantasy ... but it captivates the fan base. He said this is more common than you think.

I'll use Ohtani as an example .... because it's easier to see ...

Most of us here (and throughout the league) do not see him coming to SF. They see many other landing spots, but not here. I happen to agree. But SF management has stated that they are all in and will push to make it happen.

If they just happen to throw a 500M offer to the table early in the FA process it could be very problematic moving forward (sort of like with Judge). A 500M offer is in fact a financial obligation. They are actually on the hook for 500M until Ohtani decides what he wants and where he's going. According to this writer ... that move now limits what else you can do in the FA market. Can you actually still bid on Yamamoto, Snell, Bellinger and other top tier free agents? If you don't have the resources to bid ... you will most likely lose out on quite a few of the other free agents. Most likely Yamamoto, Snell and Bellinger. Your only option when eveything is actually over .... and you have you 500M back ... maybe .... dumpster diving ...

Not saying I agree with everything being implied .. but it does make me wonder.

I also question Manesca (spellling?) opting out of a 12'5 million contract. He had a very mediocre year ... at best. IMHO ... this wasn't about testing the FA market .... I don't believe he wanted to be here at all ... and that I find troubling .....

Welcome back! Glad to see you on the board again!

Regarding Manaea, he isn't the only pitcher who grumbled about the management/FO this year. That has to give free agent pitchers pause on signing with the team. Not sure if it is enough to move the needle on signing/not signing.

 

[LHG]

One free agent hitter that the Giants are rumored to be connected with that I really hope doesn't get signed is Matt Chapman. His offense has been pretty mediocre the past three years. His OPS+ has been 100, 116 and 108 from 2021 to 2023. And while his glove has been considered elite, if you believe the dWAR posted on BBRef, it has been slipping. They reported his dWAR at 2.9 in 2018 and 3.3 in 2019. Since then, it has been 0.4, 1.3, 0.6 and 1.6. He is still good defensively but, coupled with his bat, I see a player possibly getting overpaid. I hope the Giants pass, unless it is a short term, lower value deal (pillow contract type). Even then, I'm not really excited about him being on the team.

Grant Brisbee today:

If you’re looking for Chapman to anchor the middle of the Giants’ lineup, you will be sorely disappointed. He’s a sixth-place hitter if I’ve ever seen one. He was an MVP candidate when he was hitting .278 and launching long home runs, a real latter-day Brooks Robinson. Over the last couple of seasons, though, he’s been the Rodeo Drive version of Pedro Felíz. Which, again, helps teams win. Don’t minimize that point. But he’s not a lineup saver, and he never will be.

6/150 for a #6 hitter....hard pass

I've covered my thoughts in more detail on Chapman in a previous post (see quotation above). Fangraph's UZR (Ultimate Zone Rating) seems to support BBRef's assertion that his defense is slipping. He posted an UZR of 14.8 in 2019 with Oakland. However, in the 3 full seasons since then (not counting 2020's truncated season), he has had an UZR of 8.7, 2.5 and 4.5. Maybe the last two years are a blip but if his hitting is slipping and his defense is slipping the Giants would be stupid to sign him for 6 years, $150 million.

 

[LHG]

Free Agency started almost 3 weeks ago, and there has been nothing but 1 resign (Nola) and a handful of minor league deals. Am I misremembering that signings typically START much earlier than this? This just feels weird, but I am not hearing anyone talking about the fact that nothing is happening.

Its been this quiet before. I think it was after 2018 or 2019 that is was extremely quiet until the new year. Last year seemed to be a bit more active early than the previous few hot stove seasons.

 

[LHG]

I agree, it is quiet, stinking quiet out there. But I would think with Yamamoto now open for bidding things start happening.

Teams only have until January 4th to sign him. Something will happen with him soon.

 

[filosofy29]

Morning Gentlemen ... and I'm glad to see that you are all ... almost exactly as I had hoped .... true Giant fans ... good to be back!!! I did miss the daily banter. I did follow the team last year ... until the ASB collapse. That was really tough to watch ....

Anyways ... a few choice pieces of gossip ... I was living in the NY area for all of the Judge drama last year. Interesting to say the least. Almost every sports outlet in NY had Judge returning to the NYY ... every freaking one of them. They even had some leaked information indicating that he was staying. From what I read and saw in NY .... he was never going to SF .... but that brings me to my real concern .... some writer out of Chicago (I think) started talking about about something called 'fan baiting' .... the process where by a team's ownership projects a storyline that in reality .... is almost fantasy ... but it captivates the fan base. He said this is more common than you think.

I'll use Ohtani as an example .... because it's easier to see ...

Most of us here (and throughout the league) do not see him coming to SF. They see many other landing spots, but not here. I happen to agree. But SF management has stated that they are all in and will push to make it happen.

If they just happen to throw a 500M offer to the table early in the FA process it could be very problematic moving forward (sort of like with Judge). A 500M offer is in fact a financial obligation. They are actually on the hook for 500M until Ohtani decides what he wants and where he's going. According to this writer ... that move now limits what else you can do in the FA market. Can you actually still bid on Yamamoto, Snell, Bellinger and other top tier free agents? If you don't have the resources to bid ... you will most likely lose out on quite a few of the other free agents. Most likely Yamamoto, Snell and Bellinger. Your only option when eveything is actually over .... and you have you 500M back ... maybe .... dumpster diving ...

Not saying I agree with everything being implied .. but it does make me wonder.

I also question Manesca (spellling?) opting out of a 12'5 million contract. He had a very mediocre year ... at best. IMHO ... this wasn't about testing the FA market .... I don't believe he wanted to be here at all ... and that I find troubling .....

Welcome back 11704! Hope you’ve been well.

 

[sf1giantfan]

How about offering Ohtani a big contract that he can opt out of in 2-3 years ( which he most likely would) and also sign Yamamoto so they both have someone to talk with. Leading us to capture the World Series along the way.

I wonder if signing one helps in getting the other play for us

 

[calsnowskier]

Yankees, Giants Expected To Pursue Jung Hoo Lee

South Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee is one of the more intriguing players who'll be available in this year's free agent …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

AKA: Yankees sign Yamamoto. Giants close runner up.

 

[Sandisfan]

Yankees, Giants Expected To Pursue Jung Hoo Lee

South Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee is one of the more intriguing players who'll be available in this year's free agent …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

AKA: Yankees sign Yamamoto. Giants close runner up.

Free Agency (except for Bonds but that was because of SF legacy and Mays connection) in Baseball for the Giants seems like Coal in the stocking with occasional under wear (sometimes useful players not extra special) and Over paid costume jewelry AKA Barry Zito. I think this Free Agency goes the same.

 

[LHG]

Free Agency (except for Bonds but that was because of SF legacy and Mays connection) in Baseball for the Giants seems like Coal in the stocking with occasional under wear (sometimes useful players not extra special) and Over paid costume jewelry AKA Barry Zito. I think this Free Agency goes the same.

I hope not but you could be right. There are few free agents worth pursuing (just like in most hot stove seasons) and I hate the whole "we have to get someone!" mentality. That lands more Hanigers, Confortos and Manaeas. No thank you.

 

[LHG]

Yankees, Giants Expected To Pursue Jung Hoo Lee

South Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee is one of the more intriguing players who'll be available in this year's free agent …

www.mlbtraderumors.com

AKA: Yankees sign Yamamoto. Giants close runner up.

I'm just not convinced bringing over a hitter from Korea is a good idea. I don't see him being much better than Conforto offensively.