2024 Rosterbation

[stanford the manford]

If we were to get Yamamoto and Snell, then just dumpster dives for everything else, I would call that and EXTREMELY successful off-season.

Makes sense. If we can't land free agents we'll go dumpster diving anyway, might as well snag a few that haven't been fish wrapped

 

[sf1giantfan]

If we were to get Yamamoto and Snell, then just dumpster dives for everything else, I would call that an EXTREMELY successful off-season.

I’m hoping Snell had a good relationship with our new manager and his crew. We might get a discount

 

[calsnowskier]

I’m hoping Snell had a good relationship with our new manager and his crew. We might get a discount

I don’t expect any real discount. But it might increase his desire. As long as he doesn’t rule us out at the start, that’s all I ask.

 

[tzill]

I am expecting us to win Yamamoto. And I hope we lose out on Ohtani.

I want both, but I get the risk with Ohtani.

 

[tzill]

If we were to get Yamamoto and Snell, then just dumpster dives for everything else, I would call that an EXTREMELY successful off-season.

I don't see them signing two top end SP. Not with our pitching depth. We need a bat much much more than a second SP..

 

[calsnowskier]

I don't see them signing two top end SP. Not with our pitching depth. We need a bat much much more than a second SP..

We had TWO SP last season. And that killed fan engagement. And I don’t really blame the org (post roster construction) for going with only 2 SPs, because that’s all they had. Right now, we have 2 (Webb and Harry) with another MAYBE coming soon after the start of the season (Cobb). I don’t trust Stripp. I don’t trust Disco.

I trust (based on nothing I can defend) that with a REAL manager, our offense will improve (note I didn’t say “be good”) this year. Maybe Conforto will improve (he certainly cant get much worse). Ditto for Haniger. Yaz will be a decent treading water-type. Estrada is a nice, better-than-average player. Wade will be inconsistent. Hopefully Schmidt and Lucy take what they learned last year, and become AT LEAST average MLB starters this year. Catcher will continue to be an offensive black hole, but that is par for the course in the MLB.

I see the rotation as a huge spot for potential improvement. It may require the org eating some salary, and that is alway tough to do. But if we can get Yamamoto and Snell (don’t think I don’t realize that is a TALL hope), that would give us 3 Ace-level SPs with another due to join a few months into the season. Then we can spot fill the #5 slot with Disco, Stripp, Winn, Hjelle, Teng, Whisenhunt, whomever throughout the year. That would likely be the strongest rotation in the Majors.

 

[tzill]

We had TWO SP last season. And that killed fan engagement. And I don’t really blame the org (post roster construction) for going with only 2 SPs, because that’s all they had. Right now, we have 2 (Webb and Harry) with another MAYBE coming soon after the start of the season (Cobb). I don’t trust Stripp. I don’t trust Disco.

I trust (based on nothing I can defend) that with a REAL manager, our offense will improve (note I didn’t say “be good”) this year. Maybe Conforto will improve (he certainly cant get much worse). Ditto for Haniger. Yaz will be a decent treading water-type. Estrada is a nice, better-than-average player. Wade will be inconsistent. Hopefully Schmidt and Lucy take what they learned last year, and become AT LEAST average MLB starters this year. Catcher will continue to be an offensive black hole, but that is par for the course in the MLB.

I see the rotation as a huge spot for potential improvement. It may require the org eating some salary, and that is alway tough to do. But if we can get Yamamoto and Snell (don’t think I don’t realize that is a TALL hope), that would give us 3 Ace-level SPs with another due to join a few months into the season. Then we can spot fill the #5 slot with Disco, Stripp, Winn, Hjelle, Teng, Whisenhunt, whomever throughout the year. That would likely be the strongest rotation in the Majors.

For SP, on the 40, right now:
Webb
Harrison
Cobb
Stripling
DeSclafani
Beck
Hjelle
Teng
Winn

Say we add Yamamoto...that's 10 guys for 5 slots. Not exactly an area of great need (assuming we get Yamamoto). You'd have to think between Strip and Disco that one becomes a decent back end starter. Among Beck, Hjelle, Teng, and Winn you'd have to assume one decent back end starter. And that's getting nothing from Cobb, who I think will slot in as a 2/3 if healthy. We can disagree but I just don't see us needing Snell AND Yamamoto. We need a bat. I want Ohtani.

 

[sf1giantfan]

Getting Yamamoto and Snell would be insane, but I’m all for it. I’m thinking though, a lot of players would be enticed knowing they can contribute with a team that has a good chance of making it to the playoffs. Getting their money I get is the biggest factor, but it seems everyone is after Yamamoto so besides paying him tons of money and living on the west coast, what do we have to offer? Me thinks signing another big free agent might just do it

Lifetime supply of garlic fries?

 

[calsnowskier]

Getting Yamamoto and Snell would be insane, but I’m all for it. I’m thinking though, a lot of players would be enticed knowing they can contribute with a team that has a good chance of making it to the playoffs. Getting their money I get is the biggest factor, but it seems everyone is after Yamamoto so besides paying him tons of money and living on the west coast, what do we have to offer? Me thinks signing another big free agent might just do it

Lifetime supply of garlic fries?

Pitching at the Cove would be an enticement. If HITTING at the cove is a disincentive, logic SHOULD dictate that PITCHING there should play in our favor.

 

[calsnowskier]

For SP, on the 40, right now:
Webb
Harrison
Cobb
Stripling
DeSclafani
Beck
Hjelle
Teng
Winn

Say we add Yamamoto...that's 10 guys for 5 slots. Not exactly an area of great need (assuming we get Yamamoto). You'd have to think between Strip and Disco that one becomes a decent back end starter. Among Beck, Hjelle, Teng, and Winn you'd have to assume one decent back end starter. And that's getting nothing from Cobb, who I think will slot in as a 2/3 if healthy. We can disagree but I just don't see us needing Snell AND Yamamoto. We need a bat. I want Ohtani.

I don’t think we need to count Winn, Teng, Hjelle or Beck in the rotation corps. Webb, Harry, Cobb, Strip and Disco, sure. But of those, only Webb is a sure thing. I am confident with Harry and somewhat OK with Cobb. Disco and Strip are negative assets.

 

[tzill]

I don’t think we need to count Winn, Teng, Hjelle or Beck in the rotation corps. Webb, Harry, Cobb, Strip and Disco, sure. But of those, only Webb is a sure thing. I am confident with Harry and somewhat OK with Cobb. Disco and Strip are negative assets.

We can disagree. I am not discounting any of those four as potential rotation pieces. I think Winn and Beck have shown pretty good potential. I also don't think BOTH Disco and Strip will be awful.

 

[Hangman]

i cant see them getting anyone. Not until they get a better ballpark which players want to play at. And not until the cost of living and tax rate of SF are lowered. IF two contracts were similar I would avoid SF just due to how much I would lose out on playing there. The contract would have to be enough to cover those deductions.

 

[calsnowskier]

i cant see them getting anyone. Not until they get a better ballpark which players want to play at. And not until the cost of living and tax rate of SF are lowered. IF two contracts were similar I would avoid SF just due to how much I would lose out on playing there. The contract would have to be enough to cover those deductions.

The dogs, Angels and Padres are able to attract FAs, so while I agree that SHOULD be a factor, it doesn’t appear to be.

The SF condition may be a factor. Though I don’t live in the area, so I can’t speak from first hand knowledge how accurate the reports are of how nasty the area has become.

Stating that the ballpark is a major detriment just doesn’t feel right. For hitters? Maybe (though I actually think that is overblown). For pitchers, I can’t even imagine the argument for that.

 

[tzill]

Brandon Woodruff was non tendered by the Brewers.

Upside down world. Dude is really, really good. FZ should be on the phone to his agent right now...

what the hell are the Brewers doing?

 

[calsnowskier]

Brandon Woodruff was non tendered by the Brewers.

Upside down world. Dude is really, really good. FZ should be on the phone to his agent right now...

what the hell are the Brewers doing?

Woodruff is good.

But I would rather have Yamamoto and Snell.

 

[calsnowskier]

Although, if we signed Yamamoto, Snell AND Woodruff, that would give us more ability to trade Harry for a stud bat.

 

[SF11704]

Although, if we signed Yamamoto, Snell AND Woodruff, that would give us more ability to trade Harry for a stud bat.

Morning Gentlemen ... and I'm glad to see that you are all ... almost exactly as I had hoped .... true Giant fans ... good to be back!!! I did miss the daily banter. I did follow the team last year ... until the ASB collapse. That was really tough to watch ....

Anyways ... a few choice pieces of gossip ... I was living in the NY area for all of the Judge drama last year. Interesting to say the least. Almost every sports outlet in NY had Judge returning to the NYY ... every freaking one of them. They even had some leaked information indicating that he was staying. From what I read and saw in NY .... he was never going to SF .... but that brings me to my real concern .... some writer out of Chicago (I think) started talking about about something called 'fan baiting' .... the process where by a team's ownership projects a storyline that in reality .... is almost fantasy ... but it captivates the fan base. He said this is more common than you think.

I'll use Ohtani as an example .... because it's easier to see ...

Most of us here (and throughout the league) do not see him coming to SF. They see many other landing spots, but not here. I happen to agree. But SF management has stated that they are all in and will push to make it happen.

If they just happen to throw a 500M offer to the table early in the FA process it could be very problematic moving forward (sort of like with Judge). A 500M offer is in fact a financial obligation. They are actually on the hook for 500M until Ohtani decides what he wants and where he's going. According to this writer ... that move now limits what else you can do in the FA market. Can you actually still bid on Yamamoto, Snell, Bellinger and other top tier free agents? If you don't have the resources to bid ... you will most likely lose out on quite a few of the other free agents. Most likely Yamamoto, Snell and Bellinger. Your only option when eveything is actually over .... and you have you 500M back ... maybe .... dumpster diving ...

Not saying I agree with everything being implied .. but it does make me wonder.

I also question Manesca (spellling?) opting out of a 12'5 million contract. He had a very mediocre year ... at best. IMHO ... this wasn't about testing the FA market .... I don't believe he wanted to be here at all ... and that I find troubling .....

 

[calsnowskier]

I also question Manesca (spellling?) opting out of a 12'5 million contract. He had a very mediocre year ... at best. IMHO ... this wasn't about testing the FA market .... I don't believe he wanted to be here at all ... and that I find troubling .....

Manaea?

 

[calsnowskier]

Morning Gentlemen ... and I'm glad to see that you are all ... almost exactly as I had hoped .... true Giant fans ... good to be back!!! I did miss the daily banter. I did follow the team last year ... until the ASB collapse. That was really tough to watch ....

Anyways ... a few choice pieces of gossip ... I was living in the NY area for all of the Judge drama last year. Interesting to say the least. Almost every sports outlet in NY had Judge returning to the NYY ... every freaking one of them. They even had some leaked information indicating that he was staying. From what I read and saw in NY .... he was never going to SF .... but that brings me to my real concern .... some writer out of Chicago (I think) started talking about about something called 'fan baiting' .... the process where by a team's ownership projects a storyline that in reality .... is almost fantasy ... but it captivates the fan base. He said this is more common than you think.

I'll use Ohtani as an example .... because it's easier to see ...

Most of us here (and throughout the league) do not see him coming to SF. They see many other landing spots, but not here. I happen to agree. But SF management has stated that they are all in and will push to make it happen.

If they just happen to throw a 500M offer to the table early in the FA process it could be very problematic moving forward (sort of like with Judge). A 500M offer is in fact a financial obligation. They are actually on the hook for 500M until Ohtani decides what he wants and where he's going. According to this writer ... that move now limits what else you can do in the FA market. Can you actually still bid on Yamamoto, Snell, Bellinger and other top tier free agents? If you don't have the resources to bid ... you will most likely lose out on quite a few of the other free agents. Most likely Yamamoto, Snell and Bellinger. Your only option when eveything is actually over .... and you have you 500M back ... maybe .... dumpster diving ...

Not saying I agree with everything being implied .. but it does make me wonder.

I also question Manesca (spellling?) opting out of a 12'5 million contract. He had a very mediocre year ... at best. IMHO ... this wasn't about testing the FA market .... I don't believe he wanted to be here at all ... and that I find troubling .....

WB man!! GREAT to see you!

 

[calsnowskier]

Morning Gentlemen ... and I'm glad to see that you are all ... almost exactly as I had hoped .... true Giant fans ... good to be back!!! I did miss the daily banter. I did follow the team last year ... until the ASB collapse. That was really tough to watch ....

Anyways ... a few choice pieces of gossip ... I was living in the NY area for all of the Judge drama last year. Interesting to say the least. Almost every sports outlet in NY had Judge returning to the NYY ... every freaking one of them. They even had some leaked information indicating that he was staying. From what I read and saw in NY .... he was never going to SF .... but that brings me to my real concern .... some writer out of Chicago (I think) started talking about about something called 'fan baiting' .... the process where by a team's ownership projects a storyline that in reality .... is almost fantasy ... but it captivates the fan base. He said this is more common than you think.

I'll use Ohtani as an example .... because it's easier to see ...

Most of us here (and throughout the league) do not see him coming to SF. They see many other landing spots, but not here. I happen to agree. But SF management has stated that they are all in and will push to make it happen.

If they just happen to throw a 500M offer to the table early in the FA process it could be very problematic moving forward (sort of like with Judge). A 500M offer is in fact a financial obligation. They are actually on the hook for 500M until Ohtani decides what he wants and where he's going. According to this writer ... that move now limits what else you can do in the FA market. Can you actually still bid on Yamamoto, Snell, Bellinger and other top tier free agents? If you don't have the resources to bid ... you will most likely lose out on quite a few of the other free agents. Most likely Yamamoto, Snell and Bellinger. Your only option when eveything is actually over .... and you have you 500M back ... maybe .... dumpster diving ...

Not saying I agree with everything being implied .. but it does make me wonder.

I also question Manesca (spellling?) opting out of a 12'5 million contract. He had a very mediocre year ... at best. IMHO ... this wasn't about testing the FA market .... I don't believe he wanted to be here at all ... and that I find troubling .....

As to the overall message of your post…

That is pretty much exactally as I called it last year. Judge and the Spanks used the Giants to negotiate Judge’s contract. I was floored when it leaked that we signed him because I never really thought that was a possibility.

And the Giants were caught with their pants down when they missed out on him. All the other targets they should have gone after were already off the table when they started scrambling to do SOMETHING. Then they jumped too fast at Correa and ended up looking even more incompetent. But at least someone sobered up in time to back out of that doomed game of Russian Roulette before the fateful trigger was actually pulled.