2024 Rosterbation

[LHG]

Since his Perfecto-bid…

10 IP, 9 ER, 14 H.

I wonder if anyone predicted this fall?

I can't think of anyone.

 

[calsnowskier]

For the record, I am still in favor of picking up his option. It is “only” 10M and I heard a timeline stating that he should be ready to go in 6 months (that is early April, so he could only miss the first few weeks of the regular season).

 

[LHG]

For the record, I am still in favor of picking up his option. It is “only” 10M and I heard a timeline stating that he should be ready to go in 6 months (that is early April, so he could only miss the first few weeks of the regular season).

And the cost is really "only" 8M since they would have to pay him 2M regardless. Six months from surgery is the end of April. I would assume, if all goes well, he'll be ready for his 1st 2024 big league appearance in early to mid May.

 

[tzill]

Bowdens predictions for 2023 FAs:

1. Ohtani 10/477
2. Yamamoto 7/211
3. Montgomery 5/127
4. Nola 5/125
5. Snell 5/122
6. Bellinger 6/144
7. Chapman 6/127
8. Hader 3/67
9. Kershaw 1/22
10. Gray 3/64
11. Rodriguez 5/90
12. Wacha 2/32
13. Giolito 2/24 with an opt out
14. Stroman 1/21 (opts in)
15. Lugo 2/20
16. Martinez 1/12
17. Gurriel 3/36
18. Hernandez 1/20.5
19. Soler 2/32
20. Merrifield 2/16
21. Hoskins 1/12
22. Imanaga TBD
23. Chapman 2/12 plus incentives
24. Garver 2/16
25. Santana 1/7.5


others: Maeda 1/10, Conforto 1/18 (opts in),

 

[calsnowskier]

at those numbers, I would be AOK with Yamamoto and Snell. That would give us a solid top 3 with the potential of the best 5-man in the bigs (with Cobb and Harry)

 

[LHG]

at those numbers, I would be AOK with Yamamoto and Snell. That would give us a solid top 3 with the potential of the best 5-man in the bigs (with Cobb and Harry)

Might be some good signings there, as long as Snell's first year doesn't look like 2019 all over again. Not horrible numbers that year but not ace status.

 

[calsnowskier]

Might be some good signings there, as long as Snell's first year doesn't look like 2019 all over again. Not horrible numbers that year but not ace status.

His main “fault” is that he is only a 5 IP pitcher. But in today’s game, that qualifies as studdly. And we already have Webb as a horse, and if we were to get Yamamoto, that would be 2 horses at the top of the rotation. Having Snell as a #3 would be crazy.

 

[calsnowskier]

I have said it before, and I think it bears repeating…

Ohtani aint coming here. And I am AOK with that. As a fan, of course I would love to “win the press conference” by signing him. But the $$ it would take to land him would leave next to zero room for it to be a positive contract in the Giants favor. We would be paying him on the come for his best possible production. If he falters, even just a little, the Giants would be big losers in the value game.

 

[sf1giantfan]

If we sign Yamamoto and Snell would we have any money for hitters ? How about Yamamoto and Bellinger instead?

I hope Conforto opts out so we have room to sign another outfielder or let a rookie take his spot.

 

[tzill]

Tim Britton's projections for FA pitchers from The Athletic:

Yamamoto 7/203 (inclues 32M posting)
Nola 6/180
Montgomery 5/105
Snell 5/135
Gray 3/72
Hader 4/80
Rodriguez 5/80
Morton 1/16
Kershaw 1/15
Giolito 4/70
Flaherty 3/45
Wacha 3/36
Imanaga 4/52
Mahle 2/20
Montas 1/13
Lugo 2/26
Stephenson 3/30
Hicks 4/36
Clevinger 2/22
Kimbrel 1/16
Lynn 1/10
Maeda 1/10
Ryu 1/11
Heaney 1/12.5
Gibson 1/10
Lorenzen 1/11

 

[msgkings322]

at those numbers, I would be AOK with Yamamoto and Snell. That would give us a solid top 3 with the potential of the best 5-man in the bigs (with Cobb and Harry)

Need a pitcher but need a bat as well, I'd rather they go Yamamoto/Bellinger

Sucks how few bats are available this FA period. Bellinger gonna get way overpaid

 

[msgkings322]

And might as well put this here, congrats to Bochy and the Rangers

Nice to see a new team win, and Bochy too

 

[calsnowskier]

Need a pitcher but need a bat as well, I'd rather they go Yamamoto/Bellinger

Sucks how few bats are available this FA period. Bellinger gonna get way overpaid

That’s kinda why I placed my focus on Yamamoto and Snell. I am still not sold on Bellinger. His last few years in LA were soooo bad. Are there any theories as to why he sucked so bad?

Also, we SHOULD have an easier time buying FA pitchers for the same reason we have a hard time buying FA hitters. We need to take advantage of that market strength. Thinking outside the box, sign Yamamoto and Snell, then trade Webb or Harry for a stud bat.

 

[msgkings322]

That’s kinda why I placed my focus on Yamamoto and Snell. I am still not sold on Bellinger. His last few years in LA were soooo bad. Are there any theories as to why he sucked so bad?

Also, we SHOULD have an easier time buying FA pitchers for the same reason we have a hard time buying FA hitters. We need to take advantage of that market strength. Thinking outside the box, sign Yamamoto and Snell, then trade Webb or Harry for a stud bat.

Harrison maybe they ain't trading Webb

 

[LHG]

That’s kinda why I placed my focus on Yamamoto and Snell. I am still not sold on Bellinger. His last few years in LA were soooo bad. Are there any theories as to why he sucked so bad?

Also, we SHOULD have an easier time buying FA pitchers for the same reason we have a hard time buying FA hitters. We need to take advantage of that market strength. Thinking outside the box, sign Yamamoto and Snell, then trade Webb or Harry for a stud bat.

About to hit the target emoji, then saw the last sentence and feel this is more appropriate:

 

[LHG]

And might as well put this here, congrats to Bochy and the Rangers

Nice to see a new team win, and Bochy too

Yup, was rooting for the Rangers to pull it off. Even went over to the Rangers' board to congratulate them. Seems they have a community there similar to ours.

 

[tzill]

Need a pitcher but need a bat as well, I'd rather they go Yamamoto/Bellinger

Sucks how few bats are available this FA period. Bellinger gonna get way overpaid

That would be the perfect scenario.

Unless they get Ohtani.

 

[LHG]

I'm with cal on Bellinger. Those last couple of years with the Dodgers were so horrible offensively. He clearly has MVP level talent. He also clearly has complete washout possibilities. And yes, I know all free agents have risks but some risks are higher than others. The fact that Bellinger looked like a prime candidate for indy ball for a couple of years is concerning.

 

[LHG]

Important offseason dates (per MLBTR):
Here are the key dates to keep in mind for the winter ahead…


NOVEMBER 2: Free agency begins for eligible players. This means they are removed from the roster of the club they finished 2023 with. As mentioned up top, they are able to re-sign with that club but can’t sign with a new team for five days. Trades of players on the 40-man roster are now permitted again for the first time since the trade deadline.


NOVEMBER 5: Gold Glove winners announced.


NOVEMBER 6: After the five-day waiting period, free agents will be eligible to sign with any club. This is also the deadline for decisions on club options, player options, opt-outs and mutual options. It is also the deadline for clubs to decide whether or not to issue qualifying offers to eligible players, with that deadline at 4:00 pm Central specifically.


NOVEMBER 7-9: General managers meeting in Scottsdale, Arizona.


NOVEMBER 13-16: BBWAA Awards week. The Rookie of the Year winners will be announced on the first date of this stretch, followed by Manager of the Year winners, Cy Young Award winners and Most Valuable Player winners. Under the current collective bargaining agreement, the results of the voting can potentially impact the service time of a young player or award draft picks to certain teams.


NOVEMBER 14: Players who received a qualifying offer have until this date at 3:00 pm Central to assess the market before deciding whether or not to accept it. The QO changes annually since it is an average of the top 125 contracts in the league. This year’s QO is expected to land around $20.5MM. A player is only eligible to receive a QO if they spent the entire 2023 season with just one club and have not received one before. Teams that sign a player who rejected a qualifying offer will be subject to draft pick forfeiture and perhaps a loss of international bonus pool money, while the player’s previous club receives draft pick compensation.


NOVEMBER 14: Rule 5 protection deadline. Teams have until this date to add players to their 40-man roster in order to protect them from being selected in the Rule 5 draft.


NOVEMBER 14-16: Owners meetings in Arlington, Texas. The owners are set to vote on the Athletics’ planned move from Oakland to Las Vegas at this year’s meetings.


NOVEMBER 17: The non-tender deadline. By this date, teams have to decide whether or not to tender a contract to arbitration-eligible players. They don’t have to agree to a salary, merely whether to keep the player on the roster or not. Players that are non-tendered become free agents without being exposed to waivers.


DECEMBER 3-6: Winter Meetings in Nashville, Tennessee. This is often a key period in the offseason, with many marquee free agent signings and notable trades happening in or around the meetings.


DECEMBER 5: Amateur draft lottery. To discourage tanking, the new CBA introduced a lottery system to determine the order of the amateur draft. Last year, the first lottery resulted in the Pirates securing the first overall pick, which they later used on right-hander Paul Skenes in July.


DECEMBER 6: The Rule 5 draft. Teams with open 40-man roster spots are able to select eligible players from other clubs. A selected player cannot be optioned to the minors by the new club and needs to stay on the roster all year long or else be offered back to the original club.


DECEMBER 15: International signing period closes.


JANUARY 12: Deadline for teams and arbitration-eligible players to submit salary figures for 2024. Arbitration hearings will begin to take place at the end of January, though teams and players can agree to a salary at any point before a hearing takes place. However, many teams adopt the “file and trial” tactic, meaning that they’ll automatically opt to go to a hearing with any player who doesn’t agree to a salary by this date, with no further discussion about an arbitration-avoiding deal.


JANUARY 15: New international signing period opens. Most of the top international prospects will sign right away, often having made handshake deals years prior.


FEBRUARY 13: Voluntary Spring Training reporting date for pitchers, catchers and injured players.


FEBRUARY 18: Voluntary Spring Training reporting date for other players.


MARCH 20-21: Dodgers and Padres begin regular season with two games in Seoul, South Korea.


MARCH 28: Opening Day for all other teams. Active rosters reduced to 26 players.

 

[msgkings322]

I'm with cal on Bellinger. Those last couple of years with the Dodgers were so horrible offensively. He clearly has MVP level talent. He also clearly has complete washout possibilities. And yes, I know all free agents have risks but some risks are higher than others. The fact that Bellinger looked like a prime candidate for indy ball for a couple of years is concerning.

There's literally no other potential impact bats available though. Because we're not getting Ohtani.

So, roll out that same 'offense' next year? Might as well go full rebuild then. They need some dudes and they don't have really any. Is Flores a reliable 'dude'?