Rams Off-Topic Thread-All issues Welcome

[BOSS429Mustang]

These photos are for you Zeke! Nasty Pinto with a blower, taken at Maple Grove.

 

[BOSS429Mustang]

Here's some photos of the Ford Thunderbolt, with the 427 Medium Riser engine in a Falcon body. Notice the Ram Air right through the headlight ducts. I think this one was built as a copy though, not an original.

 

[Caynine29]

I like cars as much as the next guy. (I'm more of a European sports car fan, myself.) Truth be told, I wish I knew as much about their inner workings as you guys seem to.

But, what I want to know is... doesn't anyone else in this group besides me do any shooting??? Lol.

 

[BOSS429Mustang]

Better watch it Caynine. Google may frown upon this picture as well. Of course if you can repost it with a Google decal or banner somewhere on it I'm sure it would then be OK........

 

[Caynine29]

Better watch it Caynine. Google may frown upon this picture as well. Of course if you can repost it with a Google decal or banner somewhere on it I'm sure it would then be OK........

Good point.

I hope not, though... 'cause there's an entire group dedicated to guns and shooting further down the SportsHoopla main page.

 

[BOSS429Mustang]

Good point.

I hope not, though... 'cause there's an entire group dedicated to guns and shooting further down the SportsHoopla main page.

I wasn't aware of that. You'll have to forgive me. I've become so cynical in my old age that I find myself critically examining everything. Part of it comes from being constantly bombarded with political correctness and spin motivated by someone's agenda. It's extremely hard to find the truth these days. Reminds me of a quote by Iris Murdoch....."We live in a fantasy world. A world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality."

 

[Retroram52]

The picture of the gun is appropriate and it is in the proper place here on the Rams pages in the off-topic thread. Caynine has this one right. There is a gun Forum down near the other sort of off-sports forums.

 

[Caynine29]

I wasn't aware of that. You'll have to forgive me. I've become so cynical in my old age that I find myself critically examining everything. Part of it comes from being constantly bombarded with political correctness and spin motivated by someone's agenda. It's extremely hard to find the truth these days. Reminds me of a quote by Iris Murdoch....."We live in a fantasy world. A world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality."

Oh, no... I was agreeing with you, BOSS. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if SportsHoopla all of a sudden decided that guns were inappropriate and "evil", overnight, Especially considering we're now walking on eggshells, thanks to Google pulling it's backing.

It'd be tough though. I post in the "Guns and Shooting" forums pretty regularly and it's absolutely plastered with gun ****.

...and I love it!

 

[BOSS429Mustang]

I'm not really into guns Caynine. I do have one to protect the house though. But I am definitely against the govt. removing our right to possess guns. Once that happens the only people who then have guns are the criminals. But I suspect in the politically correct environment we live in today, instead of enacting real laws to protect people, the more ignorant will win out and remove the right to bear arms.

 

[shopson67]

I'm not really into guns Caynine. I do have one to protect the house though. But I am definitely against the govt. removing our right to possess guns. Once that happens the only people who then have guns are the criminals. But I suspect in the politically correct environment we live in today, instead of enacting real laws to protect people, the more ignorant will win out and remove the right to bear arms.

Nobody is trying to take guns away. Even in NY, there's backlash against the Safe Act, which basically just reinforces the need for background checks and bans assault weapons. I fail to see how background checks are a problem; if you have a record or aren't mentally fit, you shouldn't have a firearm. Unfortunately, the NRA frames every regulation attempt as "they're trying to take your guns away".

"The SAFE Act stops criminals and the dangerously mentally ill from buying a gun by requiring universal background checks on gun purchases, increases penalties for people who use illegal guns, mandates life in prison without parole for anyone who murders a first responder, and imposes the toughest assault weapons ban in the country. For hunters, sportsmen, and law abiding gun owners, this new law preserves and protects your right to buy, sell, keep or use your guns."
- Governor Andrew Cuomo

 

[BOSS429Mustang]

Don't be ignorant Shopson. There are indeed people out there that are trying to take guns out of EVERYBODY'S hands. All the laws and background checks to rule out the criminals and mentally ill are wonderful. Do you really think that is going to keep the guns out of the possession of the criminals and mentally ill? The answer is no, but that is the argument that the PC will use to take the guns out of law abiding citizen's hands as well.


I don't have a horse in this race. If they take my gun away I have other methods of self-defense. But its the point of the thing that I was pointing out. The PC crowd is destroying our morality and our rights in this country. Agree or disagree. Doesn't change the reality any.

 

[Rambunctious]

I definitely prefer to read about cars than to read about guns but you all got me going. We can never let the government restrict the ability of self protection. The police are the cleanup crew they show up after the fact. I have a conceal and carry permit and I have many guns and so do my loved ones. I don't want evil people getting guns and I don't want crazy people getting guns but it's going to happen. I joined the Marine corps at a time when everyone in uniform on base could wear their service pistol or carry their rifles openly. That changed several years ago and I remember people saying back then that we will have shootings take place on base now. I laughed at that prediction back then but I was wrong...gun free zones are kill zones so why would anyone try to make America a gun free zone?
I do however think that along with our rights comes responsibility and we're lacking that big time. Today we don't have the level of maturity nor do we have the respect for life it takes for a society to handle the freedom that the 2nd amendment offers. I don't suggest that we take guns away...I suggest we begin teaching our children the things we used to teach them. Like civility, kindness and the respect for others. Teach them that there is something greater than themselves and one day they will need to answer to that something for their actions in life.
When I grew up everyone on our block had guns. There were gun cabinets in every living room. All of us kids had guns of our own. We hunted and went target shooting all of the time. We never heard stories of mass shootings in our schools and churches. We respected life and we had better get back to that real fast.

 

[BOSS429Mustang]

I definitely prefer to read about cars than to read about guns but you all got me going. We can never let the government restrict the ability of self protection. The police are the cleanup crew they show up after the fact. I have a conceal and carry permit and I have many guns and so do my loved ones. I don't want evil people getting guns and I don't want crazy people getting guns but it's going to happen. I joined the Marine corps at a time when everyone in uniform on base could wear their service pistol or carry their rifles openly. That changed several years ago and I remember people saying back then that we will have shootings take place on base now. I laughed at that prediction back then but I was wrong...gun free zones are kill zones so why would anyone try to make America a gun free zone?
I do however think that along with our rights comes responsibility and we're lacking that big time. Today we don't have the level of maturity nor do we have the respect for life it takes for a society to handle the freedom that the 2nd amendment offers. I don't suggest that we take guns away...I suggest we begin teaching our children the things we used to teach them. Like civility, kindness and the respect for others. Teach them that there is something greater than themselves and one day they will need to answer to that something for their actions in life.
When I grew up everyone on our block had guns. There were gun cabinets in every living room. All of us kids had guns of our own. We hunted and went target shooting all of the time. We never heard stories of mass shootings in our schools and churches. We respected life and we had better get back to that real fast.

Very well said Rambunctious. Of course we live in a distinctly different world now than we did when you and I were young. Not only can't you trust everybody to act responsibly with a firearm, we can't let our children out to play without fear of them being abducted. We can't trust what people do with the internet when they're stealing your identity, etc. The list goes on ad nauseam. Because we live in a more and more liberal country, where society's morals continue to decay, kindness and civility went out the window a long time ago. This is the price we are going to pay. When Hollyweird promotes immorality and violence in even children's shows....When you can't teach about creationism (which is at the very least a plausible theory just as evolution is) in school, but it's OK to teach evolution....when you can teach "alternate lifestyles" but not mention God or lest you get expelled from school.....when people pat you on the back for being a homosexual but chastise and criticize you for being a Christian....I really believe this world is going to hell in a hand basket, and the U.S. is leading the way.

 

[ozarkram]

Not to horn in on the conversation or to try and solve all the worlds problem's. I come from a military family going back for generations. Guns have always been a part of my life. From an early age I was taught gun safety and that guns were a tool much like a knife a saw or a hammer. So dealing with guns is second nature to me. I am very lucky that the state I live in allows me to walk anywhere I please with a pistol or rifle as long as the weapon is in plain site. That's right you can walk downtown with a loaded firearm on your hip and right in to the local stores. No permit needed although we do have concealed carry and there are posted areas like schools, hospitals etc. My point is simply this the American way is not completely dead you just have to know where to find it.

 

[shopson67]

Don't be ignorant Shopson. There are indeed people out there that are trying to take guns out of EVERYBODY'S hands. All the laws and background checks to rule out the criminals and mentally ill are wonderful. Do you really think that is going to keep the guns out of the possession of the criminals and mentally ill? The answer is no, but that is the argument that the PC will use to take the guns out of law abiding citizen's hands as well.


I don't have a horse in this race. If they take my gun away I have other methods of self-defense. But its the point of the thing that I was pointing out. The PC crowd is destroying our morality and our rights in this country. Agree or disagree. Doesn't change the reality any.

The only people trying to take guns away are nowhere near being in a position of power to do so. The Republican party is deeply in bed with the NRA, and the Democrats will never condemn them either. Obama has never put forth any legislation that he hasn't already neutered in anticipation of opposition; he backs down before the fight even starts.

Just because background checks won't stop all criminals and mentally ill from getting guns doesn't mean you abandon them and not try. Besides, what does PC have to do with gun safety? Plus, PC isn't destroying morality; it's over-enforcing it if anything.

 

[shopson67]

I definitely prefer to read about cars than to read about guns but you all got me going. We can never let the government restrict the ability of self protection. The police are the cleanup crew they show up after the fact. I have a conceal and carry permit and I have many guns and so do my loved ones. I don't want evil people getting guns and I don't want crazy people getting guns but it's going to happen. I joined the Marine corps at a time when everyone in uniform on base could wear their service pistol or carry their rifles openly. That changed several years ago and I remember people saying back then that we will have shootings take place on base now. I laughed at that prediction back then but I was wrong...gun free zones are kill zones so why would anyone try to make America a gun free zone?
I do however think that along with our rights comes responsibility and we're lacking that big time. Today we don't have the level of maturity nor do we have the respect for life it takes for a society to handle the freedom that the 2nd amendment offers. I don't suggest that we take guns away...I suggest we begin teaching our children the things we used to teach them. Like civility, kindness and the respect for others. Teach them that there is something greater than themselves and one day they will need to answer to that something for their actions in life.
When I grew up everyone on our block had guns. There were gun cabinets in every living room. All of us kids had guns of our own. We hunted and went target shooting all of the time. We never heard stories of mass shootings in our schools and churches. We respected life and we had better get back to that real fast.

Isn't that completely in line with using background checks and other such regulations? Honest people with guns are not the issue; it's the ill or unstable that should be restricted. I would argue that the cabinets (or gun safes) should be locked, but other than that, legal guns owned by trustworthy people are not being challenged, maybe with the exception of owning assault rifles and the such. The 2nd amendment can't realistically be used to defend the ownership of assault rifles, in that the founding fathers had no such idea that such things would ever exist or be available to the public. Look at it this way, the 2nd amendment is just that, an adjustment to the original document of rights. No reason it can't be adjusted again (not to take guns away, just to clarify and modernize the language).

 

[shopson67]

Very well said Rambunctious. Of course we live in a distinctly different world now than we did when you and I were young. Not only can't you trust everybody to act responsibly with a firearm, we can't let our children out to play without fear of them being abducted. We can't trust what people do with the internet when they're stealing your identity, etc. The list goes on ad nauseam. Because we live in a more and more liberal country, where society's morals continue to decay, kindness and civility went out the window a long time ago. This is the price we are going to pay. When Hollyweird promotes immorality and violence in even children's shows....When you can't teach about creationism (which is at the very least a plausible theory just as evolution is) in school, but it's OK to teach evolution....when you can teach "alternate lifestyles" but not mention God or lest you get expelled from school.....when people pat you on the back for being a homosexual but chastise and criticize you for being a Christian....I really believe this world is going to hell in a hand basket, and the U.S. is leading the way.

I was with you until you started blaming. I would posit that the real problems with this country are more along the lines of greed and special interests. Big companies have more control over the laws in this country than the political parties do, since they all sell out to the lobbyists. So, you have weaker regulations, allowing for the rich to profit further off the poor and middle class, resulting in class separation we haven't seen since the great depression. Lobbyists buy votes to lighten pollution regulations, so our environment suffers. Ever-escalating costs of secondary education limits schooling to the well-off and/or willing to put your future under piles of debt. Lack of regulation for financial institutions results in predatory loans, your 401K being gambled with, and credit given where it never should be, resulting in even more crippling debt.

There is greed at the personal level as well. Everybody seems to be addicted to consumerism, need to have the brand new car, flat screens in every room, etc etc. So, now you have two income families leaving their kids to be raised by cable tv and video games. Of course, with nothing much actually being produced in America anymore (due to politicians allowing jobs to be shipped overseas to countries that don't guarantee a living wage), these over-consuming families suddenly lose an income and they're crushed.

It's not liberal/republican, black/white, gay/straight, or religious issues doing this. It's all greed, on both sides of the aisle and every ethic group or minority.

 

[BOSS429Mustang]

Touche' Shopson. Very well stated. I can see your points and I agree with them as well. But I think there is enough blame to go around, and what you say doesn't invalidate my list, it only augments it.

 

[Vitamike]

Isn't that completely in line with using background checks and other such regulations? Honest people with guns are not the issue; it's the ill or unstable that should be restricted. I would argue that the cabinets (or gun safes) should be locked, but other than that, legal guns owned by trustworthy people are not being challenged, maybe with the exception of owning assault rifles and the such. The 2nd amendment can't realistically be used to defend the ownership of assault rifles, in that the founding fathers had no such idea that such things would ever exist or be available to the public. Look at it this way, the 2nd amendment is just that, an adjustment to the original document of rights. No reason it can't be adjusted again (not to take guns away, just to clarify and modernize the language).

You know it's the 'slippery slope' theory the gun advocates are worried about.

Now, being on the wrong end of a pistol and paying a price in the process, I have insight I hope most of you never understand.

Isn't that completely in line with using background checks and other such regulations? Honest people with guns are not the issue; it's the ill or unstable that should be restricted. I would argue that the cabinets (or gun safes) should be locked, but other than that, legal guns owned by trustworthy people are not being challenged, maybe with the exception of owning assault rifles and the such. The 2nd amendment can't realistically be used to defend the ownership of assault rifles, in that the founding fathers had no such idea that such things would ever exist or be available to the public. Look at it this way, the 2nd amendment is just that, an adjustment to the original document of rights. No reason it can't be adjusted again (not to take guns away, just to clarify and modernize the language).

I disagree with this 100%!

It absolutely IS the founding fathers ideals IMO.

Our founding fathers provided this right so the people of this great nation could protect themselves from the tyranny of our government and others.

If there is not some realistic ability to do so than our founding fathers ideals could not be upheld. Remember, they were fighting with the King of England and had they not been on equal footing of some sort, they would have payed with their very lives for opposing this Tyrant.

Good thing they were able to use similar weaponry in their endeavor to establish not only the Second Amendment as they did but our very Country.

 

[Vitamike]

I was with you until you started blaming. I would posit that the real problems with this country are more along the lines of greed and special interests. Big companies have more control over the laws in this country than the political parties do, since they all sell out to the lobbyists. So, you have weaker regulations, allowing for the rich to profit further off the poor and middle class, resulting in class separation we haven't seen since the great depression. Lobbyists buy votes to lighten pollution regulations, so our environment suffers. Ever-escalating costs of secondary education limits schooling to the well-off and/or willing to put your future under piles of debt. Lack of regulation for financial institutions results in predatory loans, your 401K being gambled with, and credit given where it never should be, resulting in even more crippling debt.

There is greed at the personal level as well. Everybody seems to be addicted to consumerism, need to have the brand new car, flat screens in every room, etc etc. So, now you have two income families leaving their kids to be raised by cable tv and video games. Of course, with nothing much actually being produced in America anymore (due to politicians allowing jobs to be shipped overseas to countries that don't guarantee a living wage), these over-consuming families suddenly lose an income and they're crushed.

It's not liberal/republican, black/white, gay/straight, or religious issues doing this. It's all greed, on both sides of the aisle and every ethic group or minority.

This goes with what Boss was saying regrading the degradation of our societal values...

In all of your message here I see very little onus on personal accountability however you've clearly identified one symptom .... 'greed' ......but believe me Shopson, this is merely on symptom and is clearly not the root cause.

We have choices and sometimes when we give EVERYONE easy choices the majority will grab the free lunch. That is an unsustainable theory that will eventually collapse.

IMO those things you speak of can only be influenced by teaching along the values of our Grandparents of honor, integrity and trust so we can make effective change.

With these values we may stand a chance to establish personal accountability as the main stream...