Penn State or Michigan? Which team is more likely to end Ohio State's Big Ten East dominance?

[Wamu]

Let's be honest though, it's not like PSU has been crushing OSU the last decade. They have two wins to our single win. If your metric is simply "closer" losses, then OK. Michigan also has more talent on paper than PSU. Particularly important with this super class OSU is pulling in.

But given all of that, I think the next decade will produce similar results. A couple wins (maybe) for either team.

Let's be honest though. I was only talking about the last 5 years (you know since Yer Boy got to ann arbor). If you would have read my comment on the first page you would have figured that out. You mentioned meeeechegan having more talent. I can agree with that. But Harbs has proven himself to be the most overrated and overhyped coach currently in CFB. It's only you and trustme that thinks he's accomplished anything on the CFB level.

 

[Wamu]

You know how Penn State was able to win the division? Because a ref decided to spot the ball wrong in the 2016 Michigan Ohio State game.

Still crying about that game I see. Good.

 

[Voltaire26]

I'm going with "None of the above" for $1000 Alex

I hate you!!! I wouldn't hate you so much if you were wrong

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Let's be honest though. I was only talking about the last 5 years (you know since Yer Boy got to ann arbor). If you would have read my comment on the first page you would have figured that out. You mentioned meeeechegan having more talent. I can agree with that. But Harbs has proven himself to be the most overrated and overhyped coach currently in CFB. It's only you and trustme that thinks he's accomplished anything on the CFB level.

Then it's still just 1-0. I think it's going to depend on which team finds an elite QB or RB next. That's the only reason PSU got the win in 2016.

 

[Across The Field]

Has more to do with what I'm projecting PSU to lose off the 2020 team. And the 2021 is at Michigan. Not that that means a whole lot, but if I'm giving Michigan a 5% chance to beat OSU, that raised the odds a little. They just aren't winning at the Shoe anytime soon now.

Don't you think michigan will lose just as much? I know PSU has some studs that will leave, but it's not like they haven't recruited well recently. I know michigan doesn't have 1st round studs like Parsons or Friermeuth, but they're still likely to lose several offensive linemen, and potentially their top two WRs after 2020, not to mention a pretty big amount of defensive starters, especially at DL and DB. It's also not like they've been recruiting much better than Penn State the last couple years.

 

[Wamu]

Then it's still just 1-0. I think it's going to depend on which team finds an elite QB or RB next. That's the only reason PSU got the win in 2016.

You've had nothing but excuses ever since Harbs returned to ann arbor. If you didn't have you custom homer goggles superglued to your head you'd be able to be unbiased and see JH's tenure so far for what it really is- it's been nothing but hype.

 

[Across The Field]

You've had nothing but excuses ever since Harbs returned to ann arbor. If you didn't have you custom homer goggles superglued to your head you'd be able to be unbiased and see JH's tenure so far for what it really is- it's been nothing but hype.

Can't help but laugh at the "ref got the call wrong" bullshit when there's nothing to back it up.

 

[Wamu]

Can't help but laugh at the "ref got the call wrong" bullshit when there's nothing to back it up.

It's hilarious he still gots the issues about that game.

 

[Deep Creek]

Has anyone come into the thread to LOL @ the Big Ten?

If not, does anyone object to me doing that now?

 

[Deep Creek]

I guess, Michigan. A lot has got to change for them though. Ohio State is so far ahead of the rest of the B1G in recruiting it ain't fair. They could drop a game here or there to either of these teams, but to actually accomplish taking Ohio States spot for more than a year maybe something drastic will have to happen

 

[Deep Creek]

I mean, the BIG added that sleeping giant for a reason did they not??

Yes they did...but that reason WAS NOT football....or basketballl, or...................

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Can't help but laugh at the "ref got the call wrong" bullshit when there's nothing to back it up.

Other than, you know, the video of him never crossing the line.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You've had nothing but excuses ever since Harbs returned to ann arbor. If you didn't have you custom homer goggles superglued to your head you'd be able to be unbiased and see JH's tenure so far for what it really is- it's been nothing but hype.

He hasn't beaten OSU, and because of that hasn't won a B10 title. He's accomplished about everything he can without beating OSU.

 

[Wamu]

He hasn't beaten OSU, and because of that hasn't won a B10 title. He's accomplished about everything he can without beating OSU.

Don't start this shit again. You know what his record is vs. all ranked opponents. His record vs. just the top 10. His record as an underdog on the road vs. ranked teams. His bowl record.

You're acting like a win over Ohio State fixes all the other problems Harbaugh has had. The numbers don't lie.



Then there's last years losses to ranked Ohio State (2), Penn State (7), Wisconsin (13) and Bama (9). Now they did beat a ranked N.D. (8) and Iowa (14) team last year. You do the math. His record vs. top 10 teams & his record vs. all ranked teams is terrible. You call that success? No reason to mention his record setting failures against Ohio State. I'll gladly post them if you'd like though.

How can you say he's accomplished just about everything else? Stop that nonsense you homer. No divison title, no conference crown, losing bowl record, no playoff appearances. So I'll ask you again. What exactly has Harbaugh accomplsihed?

 

[Thiefery]

Don't start this shit again. You know what his record is vs. all ranked opponents. His record vs. just the top 10. His record as an underdog on the road vs. ranked teams. His bowl record.

You're acting like a win over Ohio State fixes all the other problems Harbaugh has had. The numbers don't lie.

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Then there's last years losses to ranked Ohio State (2), Penn State (7), Wisconsin (13) and Bama (9). Now they did beat a ranked N.D. (8) and Iowa (14) team last year. You do the math. His record vs. top 10 teams & his record vs. all ranked teams is terrible. You call that success? No reason to mention his record setting failures against Ohio State. I'll gladly post them if you'd like though.

How can you say he's accomplished just about everything else? Stop that nonsense you homer. No divison title, no conference crown, losing bowl record, no playoff appearances. So I'll ask you again. What exactly has Harbaugh accomplsihed?

He went to a superbowl

 

[Innermind]

What exactly has Harbaugh accomplsihed?

Cheering

Measuring stuff

More cheering

Milk

Hillary & Obama political stuff

Imaginary football stuff

Tom!

Climbing

 

[The Derski]

Wisconsin

 

[Wamu]

Cheering

Measuring stuff

More cheering

Milk

Hillary & Obama political stuff

Imaginary football stuff

Tom!

Climbing

He also beat Forrest Gump in a race.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Don't start this shit again. You know what his record is vs. all ranked opponents. His record vs. just the top 10. His record as an underdog on the road vs. ranked teams. His bowl record.

You're acting like a win over Ohio State fixes all the other problems Harbaugh has had. The numbers don't lie.

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Then there's last years losses to ranked Ohio State (2), Penn State (7), Wisconsin (13) and Bama (9). Now they did beat a ranked N.D. (8) and Iowa (14) team last year. You do the math. His record vs. top 10 teams & his record vs. all ranked teams is terrible. You call that success? No reason to mention his record setting failures against Ohio State. I'll gladly post them if you'd like though.

How can you say he's accomplished just about everything else? Stop that nonsense you homer. No divison title, no conference crown, losing bowl record, no playoff appearances. So I'll ask you again. What exactly has Harbaugh accomplsihed?

But I've already shown you how this list is BS. Penn State was ranked top 10 in 2016; the same year they won the B10. We dominated them. Last year ND was ranked top 10, we dominated them.

 

[Wamu]

But I've already shown you how this list is BS. Penn State was ranked top 10 in 2016; the same year they won the B10. We dominated them. Last year ND was ranked top 10, we dominated them.

That's right. I forgot in your world those losses to ranked teams don't count. And as usual you've ignored all the other issues Harbs has had since he returned. But keep telling yourself the only problem is not being able to beat Ohio State. His overall record vs. ranked teams is lousy. But you choose to ignore anything negative about him.

Although I have to say it's funny you refuse to answer the quesrion what exactly has JH accomplished. I wonder why that is? Could it be because the answer is nothing?