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Toughest Conference heading into 2020 season..

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God Damn you, I was being the stupid one there thinking Colorado was north.

So the B1G west was 0-3 vs PAC North.
Their shittiest team proved to be better at home vs. the B1G West's shittiest team. Not a great indicator.

Their tied for 2nd best team proved to be better than the B1G West's distant 4th best team.

Their best team was 1 point better than the B1G West's best team in a game that Wisconsin absolutely dominated but choked away with turnovers.

B1GW had 3 ranked teams, 3 teams with 10+ wins, and four total bowl teams.

PacN had 1 ranked team, 1 team with 10+ wins, and 5 total bowl teams. They also had a 5-7 team finished tied for second in the division, which is a really bad thing when you're talking about the strength of the division.

The B1G West was also 2-0 vs. the SEC. Does that mean they're stronger than the SEC? Of course not, because more goes into it than that.
 

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Their shittiest team proved to be better at home vs. the B1G West's shittiest team. Not a great indicator.

Their tied for 2nd best team proved to be better than the B1G West's distant 4th best team.

Their best team was 1 point better than the B1G West's best team in a game that Wisconsin absolutely dominated but choked away with turnovers.

B1GW had 3 ranked teams, 3 teams with 10+ wins, and four total bowl teams.

PacN had 1 ranked team, 1 team with 10+ wins, and 5 total bowl teams. They also had a 5-7 team finished tied for second in the division, which is a really bad thing when you're talking about the strength of the division.

The B1G West was also 2-0 vs. the SEC. Does that mean they're stronger than the SEC? Of course not, because more goes into it than that.

The B1Gwest went 0-3 vs the PAC North

Both the B1G west and The PAC North had 3 teams of 7 finish with a winning record.

This is about the WHOLE DIVISION, not who was top heavy.
 

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This thread is supposed to be about the HARDEST CONFERENCE TO PREDICT WHO WILL WIN THAT CONFERENCE.

This thread is not about the toughest conference as the thread title mistakenly suggests, probably done on purpose that way.

not sure why it is so hard to predict the champion of the Big 12-4+2=10

2015 Champion OKLAHOMA

2016 Champion OKLAHOMA

2017 Champion OKLAHOMA

2018 Champion OKLAHOMA

2019 Champion OKLAHOMA

seems pretty easy to pick who is going to win the Big 12 to me.

Remember, the Big 12-4+2=10 gave themselves the motto, "One True Champion"
 

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Let’s line them up:
Wisconsin v Oregon - OREGON
Minnesota v Oregon State -MINNESOTA
Iowa v Cal - IOWA
Illinois v Washington - WASHINGTON
Purdue v Washington St - WASHINGTON STATE
Nebraska v Stanford - STANFORD

Left out northwestern for you.

I have the PAC winning 4 of those 6 games.
 

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This thread is supposed to be about the HARDEST CONFERENCE TO PREDICT WHO WILL WIN THAT CONFERENCE.

This thread is not about the toughest conference as the thread title mistakenly suggests, probably done on purpose that way.

not sure why it is so hard to predict the champion of the Big 12-4+2=10

2015 Champion OKLAHOMA

2016 Champion OKLAHOMA

2017 Champion OKLAHOMA

2018 Champion OKLAHOMA

2019 Champion OKLAHOMA

seems pretty easy to pick who is going to win the Big 12 to me.

Remember, the Big 12-4+2=10 gave themselves the motto, "One True Champion"

still tougher to predict than the B16 or ACC
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Oregon won by 1 point in a game that they were honestly outplayed. Yards and TOP were ridiculously in Wisconsin's favor, but 4 TOs will kill you. That was as close a game as you could ask for.

If you want to brag about your basement dweller beating the B1GW basement dweller, go for it. It's not really adding much. Cal was tied for 2nd in their division while Illinois was a distant 4th. That is not apples to apples. Iowa or Minnesota would've likely smoked Cal, or anyone not named Oregon in the Pac12N, and they were in 2nd and 3rd.

time of possession is a garbage stat.
Oregon won 12 games and was under in TOP in 9.
LSU won every game and was the under in TOP in 6.

yards dont win games.
you say Wisconsin choked it away i say Oregon had a top 25 defense. with a top 5 turnover margin

im not bragging about anything. but like i said arguments have been made for conference challenges where you put 1vs1 and 2vs2 and so on and we got 1v1 and last vs last and 2 teams in the middle. you say tied for second i say cal was third. thats why they are where they are in the standings on any page that lists them.

Illinois distant 4th but also beat the division winner. and only lost by 9 to 3rd.
 

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time of possession is a garbage stat.
Oregon won 12 games and was under in TOP in 9.
LSU won every game and was the under in TOP in 6.

yards dont win games.
you say Wisconsin choked it away i say Oregon had a top 25 defense. with a top 5 turnover margin

im not bragging about anything. but like i said arguments have been made for conference challenges where you put 1vs1 and 2vs2 and so on and we got 1v1 and last vs last and 2 teams in the middle. you say tied for second i say cal was third. thats why they are where they are in the standings on any page that lists them.

Illinois distant 4th but also beat the division winner. and only lost by 9 to 3rd.
Gotta agree with you on that.. TOP is a losing stat, gotta stay aggressive and keep putting points on the board.
 

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time of possession is a garbage stat.
Oregon won 12 games and was under in TOP in 9.
LSU won every game and was the under in TOP in 6.

yards dont win games.
you say Wisconsin choked it away i say Oregon had a top 25 defense. with a top 5 turnover margin

im not bragging about anything. but like i said arguments have been made for conference challenges where you put 1vs1 and 2vs2 and so on and we got 1v1 and last vs last and 2 teams in the middle. you say tied for second i say cal was third. thats why they are where they are in the standings on any page that lists them.

Illinois distant 4th but also beat the division winner. and only lost by 9 to 3rd.
There's winning TOP and there is owning it. 38 minutes to 22 is a massive disparity. No to mention the huge disparity in total yards. I watched that game from start to finish and still can't believe Wisconsin managed to blow it. It's like the Oregon-Auburn game. I think Oregon was the better team last year, but they blew it. Not to say I believe Wisconsin was better than Oregon, but that game didn't leave anyone with the idea that Oregon was unquestionably better.

Cal was literally tied for 2nd record-wise. You can't argue that. Illinois was a distant 4th, 3 games behind 1/2, and 2 games behind 3. They weren't a good team last year. From a total wins standpoint, one division had:
12-2
8-5
8-5
6-7
5-7
4-8

The other had:
11-2
10-3
10-4
6-7
5-7
4-8
3-9

Your 12-2 team beat the B1GW 10-4 team, one of your 8-5 teams beat the B1GW 6-7 team, and your 4-8 beat beat the B1GW 3-9.
 

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Gotta agree with you on that.. TOP is a losing stat, gotta stay aggressive and keep putting points on the board.
theres just no real value to it when teams can "win" top and lose games. "lose" top in half or more games and still win.

Oregon has never been a team that worries about TOP.
they never really cared about yards either. Yardage doesnt win a game
if a team gives up 80 yards a drive and holds the other team to a FG attempt while scoring when on offense i will take a 500 yards given up but only 12 points on 4 FG every time
 

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There's winning TOP and there is owning it. 38 minutes to 22 is a massive disparity. No to mention the huge disparity in total yards. I watched that game from start to finish and still can't believe Wisconsin managed to blow it. It's like the Oregon-Auburn game. I think Oregon was the better team last year, but they blew it. Not to say I believe Wisconsin was better than Oregon, but that game didn't leave anyone with the idea that Oregon was unquestionably better.

Cal was literally tied for 2nd record-wise. You can't argue that. Illinois was a distant 4th, 3 games behind 1/2, and 2 games behind 3. They weren't a good team last year. From a total wins standpoint, one division had:
12-2
8-5
8-5
6-7
5-7
4-8

The other had:
11-2
10-3
10-4
6-7
5-7
4-8
3-9

Your 12-2 team beat the B1GW 10-4 team, one of your 8-5 teams beat the B1GW 6-7 team, and your 4-8 beat beat the B1GW 3-9.
oregon state beat cal head to head therefore taking the tie BREAKER. Cal was third.
 

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There's winning TOP and there is owning it. 38 minutes to 22 is a massive disparity. No to mention the huge disparity in total yards. I watched that game from start to finish and still can't believe Wisconsin managed to blow it. It's like the Oregon-Auburn game. I think Oregon was the better team last year, but they blew it. Not to say I believe Wisconsin was better than Oregon, but that game didn't leave anyone with the idea that Oregon was unquestionably better.

Cal was literally tied for 2nd record-wise. You can't argue that. Illinois was a distant 4th, 3 games behind 1/2, and 2 games behind 3. They weren't a good team last year. From a total wins standpoint, one division had:
12-2
8-5
8-5
6-7
5-7
4-8

The other had:
11-2
10-3
10-4
6-7
5-7
4-8
3-9

Your 12-2 team beat the B1GW 10-4 team, one of your 8-5 teams beat the B1GW 6-7 team, and your 4-8 beat beat the B1GW 3-9.
1 vs 1. last vs last. middle vs middle. simple matchups
 

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time of possession is a garbage stat.
Oregon won 12 games and was under in TOP in 9.
LSU won every game and was the under in TOP in 6.

yards dont win games.
you say Wisconsin choked it away i say Oregon had a top 25 defense. with a top 5 turnover margin

im not bragging about anything. but like i said arguments have been made for conference challenges where you put 1vs1 and 2vs2 and so on and we got 1v1 and last vs last and 2 teams in the middle. you say tied for second i say cal was third. thats why they are where they are in the standings on any page that lists them.

Illinois distant 4th but also beat the division winner. and only lost by 9 to 3rd.
You sure Artie Briles hasn't hacked your account?
 

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not sure what that means
Just kidding a little. When asked about his offense scoring so rapidly and putting his defense on the field so much, Briles would say he didn't care how long his defense was on the field...he wanted to score as quickly as possible. I think he meant it more tongue in cheek but with Artie you never knew. I think it was more of a jab at some of the believers of "3 yards and a cloud of dust/anti HUNH" group.

Some think LSU's defense was down last year. I'm not one of them. I just think they were on the field a hell of a lot more.
 

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Just kidding a little. When asked about his offense scoring so rapidly and putting his defense on the field so much, Briles would say he didn't care how long his defense was on the field...he wanted to score as quickly as possible. I think he meant it more tongue in cheek but with Artie you never knew. I think it was more of a jab at some of the believers of "3 yards and a cloud of dust/anti HUNH" group.

Some think LSU's defense was down last year. I'm not one of them. I just think they were on the field a hell of a lot more.
no you have a great point.. for you to be competitive or have actual title aspirations, your defense needs to have quality depth. Baylor never did and the defense would break in the second half..similar to what happened to Taggart at FSU last season with Baby Briles as the OC.. defense would wear out without having the quality depth.
 

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no you have a great point.. for you to be competitive or have actual title aspirations, your defense needs to have quality depth. Baylor never did and the defense would break in the second half..similar to what happened to Taggart at FSU last season with Baby Briles as the OC.. defense would wear out without having the quality depth.
If you are going to have a "quick strike/HUNH" style offense, you really need to have 22 starters on the defensive side IMHO. But, even if you have great depth on defense, their stats may not look as good as they really are just because they are on the field so much.

And here is a misconception about Artie boys and other similar offenses. They really weren't as "sling it around the yard" as people perceived. They preferred to run if the defense dropped a lot in pass coverage. If they brought them up they'd chunk it. They just weren't going to run when there were 8 in the box.
 

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If you are going to have a "quick strike/HUNH" style offense, you really need to have 22 starters on the defensive side IMHO. But, even if you have great depth on defense, their stats may not look as good as they really are just because they are on the field so much.

And here is a misconception about Artie boys and other similar offenses. They really weren't as "sling it around the yard" as people perceived. They preferred to run if the defense dropped a lot in pass coverage. If they brought them up they'd chunk it. They just weren't going to run when there were 8 in the box.
problem with Art is that good defensive Coordinators figured out it was gonna be streaks, a screen or inside run, rinse, repeat lol
 
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