Bad call Vs Packers cleared up

[Crimsoncrew]

I'd like to see a rule change based on this. No way a hit like that should be considered a dead ball penalty. Does the same logic apply when the QB slides? That's just silly. You're penalizing a guy for continuing to play after the whistle. It should count as a live penalty.

 

[JDM]

Actually, they coach offensive linemen to do what he did. He did what he is supposed to do, and thats lock up a player that takes a cheap shot.

He turned a late hit into a fight. He deserves to be penalized for doing so.

 

[Kinzu]

I'd like to see a rule change based on this. No way a hit like that should be considered a dead ball penalty. Does the same logic apply when the QB slides? That's just silly. You're penalizing a guy for continuing to play after the whistle. It should count as a live penalty.

I agree.
To me that hit out of bounds was a continuation of the play. It's an unnecessary roughness type hit more than an after the play penalty.

 

[Rathman44]

He turned a late hit into a fight. He deserves to be penalized for doing so.

Except that he didn't fight. It was Matthews who threw the punches. Staley just ran over to give his QB some space after Matthews gave him a late cheap-shot. It's pretty obvious who was in the wrong here and I thought the Niners handled it perfectly. The league has come out and agreed with me on this after reviewing the play. I would like to know how Staley could've handled it any better. He's a bad teammate if he does nothing.

I've always thought highly of Matthews but with his cheap shots and taunting I now think of him as a dirty player. This game really swayed it for me...he could have seriously injured Kap and taken years off his career with a cheap hit like that. What a dirty player

 

[Jikkle]

He turned a late hit into a fight. He deserves to be penalized for doing so.

It wasn't a fight and he didn't do anything that you don't see guys on special teams do to each other when it gets chippy 1,000 times over the course of the season that doesn't get flagged.

Now if Staley gave him a good shove or threw him to the ground that would be different but the refs should've held their flags broke up the fight and it should've been 1st and goal.

 

[dreday]

Dirty play by Clay. No other way about it. But I'm not crying about the play. But the damn media saying the Pack got screwed.

 

[-AC-]

It was clear that Mathews was out of control during that play. The hit was so bad it warranted a player(s) to come to the aid of the hit player. Staley was absolutely in the right to come in and put himself in between the out of control Mathews and his QB Kaepernick. And further proof of that was the way Mathews responded, still out of control and damn near swinging punches...

 

[tallglassofwater007]

 

[sjballer03]

The NFL league office disagrees with you.

His stance would be much different if this had happened to Brady and Vollmer came to his aid.

 

[JDM]

His stance would be much different if this had happened to Brady and Vollmer came to his aid.

No, it wouldn't. And Volmer would suffer for it in practice the next week.

 

[Vitamike]

Actually, they coach offensive linemen to do what he did. He did what he is supposed to do, and thats lock up a player that takes a cheap shot.

I think this is a JH stretch. Yes that's what he said he teaches them but I would believe it's when 'THEY' are involved. It was obvious to anybody with eyeballs that Joe Staley went over to confront Matthews and the brawl ensued. That is why he was flagged whether the League wants to agree with it or not, that had to be what was going on in the mind of the ref when he thew the PF on Staley.

The NFL league office disagrees with you.

I said this on another thread here and I'll post it here just because the point hasn't been made in this thread.

No they're just covering their ass.

Bad calls (Flags) are made all the time and whether you want to argue the offsetting PF's or not, it is irrelevant to the fact those were the calls that were made. Neither the Head Coach of either team can throw the red flag on a bad call so the issue here was it was incorrectly enforced.

It should have been 4th down and 2.

I'd like to note Mike McCarthy had the ability to throw the red flag at that point and challenge the spot of the ball which would have in turn corrected the down as well.

Here's the story...

Referee admits mistake, 49ers capitalize with TD | CSN Bay Area

 

[Rathman44]

No, it wouldn't. And Volmer would suffer for it in practice the next week.

haha what a joke

 

[Suhsyourdaddy]

If not Staley, then Boldin should have been flagged. There is no way the entire scrum was just Packers putting the Niners over their knee and the Niners not doing anything about it. The penalties should have been offset, 4th and 5. No matter how many flags were thrown against the Packers you could only accept one. A possible ejection of Mathews is feasible, but with hindsight I'm sure the Packers would trade a 4 or an unlikely 7 (Missed FG) point swing for Mathews getting ejected.

Clay Matthews Hits Colin Kaepernick Late out of Bounds, Fight Breaks out | Bleacher Report

Players are always going to defend their own, this is especially true of QB's. Boldin ran in and was shoved in the back before he did anything. Not exactly sure what you saw from him that would justify him being flagged???

 

[SY8goat]

NFL rule book states:

Article 6: Unnecessary Roughness. There shall be no unnecessary roughness. This shall include, but will not be limited
to:
(a) Using the foot or any part of the leg to strike an opponent with a whipping motion;
(b) contacting a runner when he is out of bounds;
Note: Defensive players must make an effort to avoid contact. Players on defense are responsible for knowing when a runner has crossed the boundary line, except in doubtful cases where he might step on a boundary line and continue parallel with it.
(c) a player of the receiving team who has gone out of bounds contacting a kicking team player out of bounds. If this occurs on a kick from scrimmage, post-possession rules will apply if appropriate (9-5-1);
(d) running, diving into, or throwing the body against or on a runner who has fallen or slipped to the ground untouched and has made no attempt to advance, either before or after the ball is dead, or throwing the runner to the ground after
the ball is dead;
(e) unnecessarily running, diving into, cutting, or throwing the body against or on a player who (i) is out of the play or (ii)
should not have reasonably anticipated such contact by an opponent, before or after the ball is dead;
(f) if an offensive player’s block (legal or illegal) is followed by the blocker rolling up on the back of the leg(s) of a
defender, including in close-line play.
(g) a kicker/punter, who is standing still or fading backwards after the ball has been kicked, is out of the play and must
not be unnecessarily contacted by the receiving team through the end of the play or until he assumes a distinctly
defensive position;
(h) using any part of a player’s helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear,
or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily;
(i) grabbing a helmet opening of an opponent and forcibly twisting, turning, or pulling his head;
(j) illegally contacting the knee of the snapper with the helmet during a Field Goal Attempt or Try Kick;

Article 1: Prohibited Acts. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include, among others:
(a) Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent, even though no contact is made.
(b) Using abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures to opponents, teammates, officials, or representatives
of the League.
(c) Using baiting or taunting acts or words that engender ill will between teams.
(d) Prolonged or excessive celebrations or demonstrations by an individual player. Players are prohibited from engaging
in any celebrations or demonstrations while on the ground. A celebration or demonstration shall be deemed
excessive or prolonged if a player continues to celebrate or demonstrate after a warning from an official.
(e) Two or more players engaging in prolonged, excessive, premeditated, or choreographed celebrations or
demonstrations.
(f) Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object(s) that are not part of the uniform during the game on the field or
the sideline, or using the ball as a prop.
(g) Unnecessary physical contact with a game official.
(h) Removal of his helmet by a player in the field of play during a celebration or demonstration, or during a confrontation
with a game official or any other player.

Did Staley violate any of the rules?

NFL said NO.

 

[Destroydacre]

What's funny about this to me is that it all could have been avoided if McCarthy wasn't a bonehead and didn't accept the illegal formation penalty on third down after GB had the 9ers stopped. It would have been 4th down, SF would have kicked a field goal and none of this would have happened.

Everyone jumped on the "mistaken call" because Mike Periera indicated so, however, it seems Periera gets as many calls wrong as he claims the officials do. Its a complete waste of time for Fox to even employ him. Jeez that guy just bugs me.

I mute the TV as soon as I hear that guy's name. Not joking.

 

[joshuar56]

Staley should have absolutely been flagged.

If Staley should have been flagged, then Mathewes should have been flagged twice, and probably ejected. Either way the refs for that game were horrible and rightfully downgraded. Luckily their awfulness did not prevent the better team from winning.

 

[MHSL82]

What's funny about this to me is that it all could have been avoided if McCarthy wasn't a bonehead and didn't accept the illegal formation penalty on third down after GB had the 9ers stopped. It would have been 4th down, SF would have kicked a field goal and none of this would have happened.



I mute the TV as soon as I hear that guy's name. Not joking.

I was wondering why he accepted the penalty. I assumed there was a rule stating that he couldn't decline that penalty. Much the same way I wondered why the other Harbaugh didn't challenge the dirted ball in the Ravens-Broncos game. Some things are judgment calls; these didn't seem like one.

 

[joshuar56]

If not Staley, then Boldin should have been flagged. There is no way the entire scrum was just Packers putting the Niners over their knee and the Niners not doing anything about it. The penalties should have been offset, 4th and 5. No matter how many flags were thrown against the Packers you could only accept one. A possible ejection of Mathews is feasible, but with hindsight I'm sure the Packers would trade a 4 or an unlikely 7 (Missed FG) point swing for Mathews getting ejected.

What fucking game were you watching? Shut up and stop talking about something you're obviously clueless about. I'm really stick of stupid people dumbing down this board.

 

[tallglassofwater007]

He turned a late hit into a fight. He deserves to be penalized for doing so.

Not true at all. He grabbed Matthews. That is not a reason for a flag. Matthews started the fight by the late hit.

 

[deep9er]

What's funny about this to me is that it all could have been avoided if McCarthy wasn't a bonehead and didn't accept the illegal formation penalty on third down after GB had the 9ers stopped. It would have been 4th down, SF would have kicked a field goal and none of this would have happened.


good point, why give the 49ers another down? there were clearly in FG range even with the penalty right?