Bad call Vs Packers cleared up

[Rvnight18]

I find it hilarious that Mathews said they focused on the RO from day one. Maybe they should have watched more film. We hardly ran it last year. They should have focused on learning how to cover a WR.

 

[tallglassofwater007]

Is he lying or was he just wrong..

And have you actually read what he said before the game? It was NOTHING. When he said the word "hit" he literally was just talking about the new rule. Harbaugh, with his usual big mouth and overreaction, made it a bigger deal than it was.

Here is the only thing that matters...the 49ers won the game. Keep crying about it and check back in a couple days and the results will be the same.

All the Packer fans were up in arms when the announcers said that they got hosed on the call. Then it comes out that the Niners were the ones who got the short end and you all cry that it wasn't an illegal hit and a bunch of other crap. Harbaugh was smart. You call it opening his big mouth, but what he did was bring attention to what Clay Matthews was doing. It worked. You talk about seeing the game in slow motion doesn't mean you know how to play the game..well, if you are such an expert you should know that is what Harbaugh was doing. And you can pretend Matthews wasn't talking about hurting Kap all you want, but look what he tried to do when he got his chance. Like Kap said, if your gameplan is to intimidate him, get a new one.

 

[Vitamike]

Report: NFL downgrades Packers-49ers official Bill Leavy - CBSSports.com

Interesting. Sounds like the league was none too pleased with the Ref's performance in the Niner game.

Geez this link basically makes my point I made here on page 2 of this thread.

The Ref was downgraded because he improperly enforced the rules on the flags that were thrown AND for the poor judgment on throwing the offsetting flag.

That said, I doubt this dude gets downgraded if he just enforced the flags that were thrown resulting in a 4th and 2 situation AND I doubt the league makes a statement on the unsportsmanlike conduct flag much to the same regard. IMO it was the incorrect enforcement of the flags thrown causing controversy and was the impetus of the leagues reaction/statement.

JH can say all he wants that he would have gone for it in that situation however as many I'm not sold. For anyone who thinks this play absolutely didn't have an effect on the outcome of this game may not watch a lot of football. We've all seen the gimmie FG's get blocked and 4th and 2 plays go awry, 3rd and 6 is a much easier play to convert TD or not. Play calling, on both sides, are made by game situations and given a total different situation most likely results in a total different outcome.

Also I think the ref may have called the wrong number on the SF player unsportsmanlike penalty, which happens from time to time (specially in melees of this sort). I speculate this because in this link he refers to the offsetting penalty as 'a subsequent hit by a San Francisco player'

I think the league could have gone one step further and said that no unsportsmanlike penalty should have been called on any San Francisco players but they didn't. Sometimes what you don't say speaks loader than what you say.

 

[Rvnight18]

Geez this link basically makes my point I made here on page 2 of this thread.

The Ref was downgraded because he improperly enforced the rules on the flags that were thrown AND for the poor judgment on throwing the offsetting flag.

That said, I doubt this dude gets downgraded if he just enforced the flags that were thrown resulting in a 4th and 2 situation AND I doubt the league makes a statement on the unsportsmanlike conduct flag much to the same regard. IMO it was the incorrect enforcement of the flags thrown causing controversy and was the impetus of the leagues reaction/statement.

JH can say all he wants that he would have gone for it in that situation however as many I'm not sold. For anyone who thinks this play absolutely didn't have an effect on the outcome of this game may not watch a lot of football. We've all seen the gimmie FG's get blocked and 4th and 2 plays go awry, 3rd and 6 is a much easier play to convert TD or not. Play calling, on both sides, are made by game situations and given a total different situation most likely results in a total different outcome.

Also I think the ref may have called the wrong number on the SF player unsportsmanlike penalty, which happens from time to time (specially in melees of this sort). I speculate this because in this link he refers to the offsetting penalty as 'a subsequent hit by a San Francisco player'

I think the league could have gone one step further and said that no unsportsmanlike penalty should have been called on any San Francisco players but they didn't. Sometimes what you don't say speaks loader than what you say.

no but if the niners only kick a FG or it gets blocked or they go for it and fail to get it, it changes hwo the game is called. You have no idea what would happen if that one play is changed. If you think the game would play out exactly the same, then you don't watch a lot of football.

 

[Rvnight18]

Here is the only thing that matters...the 49ers won the game. Keep crying about it and check back in a couple days and the results will be the same.

All the Packer fans were up in arms when the announcers said that they got hosed on the call. Then it comes out that the Niners were the ones who got the short end and you all cry that it wasn't an illegal hit and a bunch of other crap. Harbaugh was smart. You call it opening his big mouth, but what he did was bring attention to what Clay Matthews was doing. It worked. You talk about seeing the game in slow motion doesn't mean you know how to play the game..well, if you are such an expert you should know that is what Harbaugh was doing. And you can pretend Matthews wasn't talking about hurting Kap all you want, but look what he tried to do when he got his chance. Like Kap said, if your gameplan is to intimidate him, get a new one.

So what you are saying is

 

[darken65]

Geez this link basically makes my point I made here on page 2 of this thread.

The Ref was downgraded because he improperly enforced the rules on the flags that were thrown AND for the poor judgment on throwing the offsetting flag.

That said, I doubt this dude gets downgraded if he just enforced the flags that were thrown resulting in a 4th and 2 situation AND I doubt the league makes a statement on the unsportsmanlike conduct flag much to the same regard. IMO it was the incorrect enforcement of the flags thrown causing controversy and was the impetus of the leagues reaction/statement.

JH can say all he wants that he would have gone for it in that situation however as many I'm not sold. For anyone who thinks this play absolutely didn't have an effect on the outcome of this game may not watch a lot of football. We've all seen the gimmie FG's get blocked and 4th and 2 plays go awry, 3rd and 6 is a much easier play to convert TD or not. Play calling, on both sides, are made by game situations and given a total different situation most likely results in a total different outcome.

Also I think the ref may have called the wrong number on the SF player unsportsmanlike penalty, which happens from time to time (specially in melees of this sort). I speculate this because in this link he refers to the offsetting penalty as 'a subsequent hit by a San Francisco player'

I think the league could have gone one step further and said that no unsportsmanlike penalty should have been called on any San Francisco players but they didn't. Sometimes what you don't say speaks loader than what you say.

One thing that occurs can surely change the outcome .It is called 'The Butterfly Effect' and it happens in everyday life as well as football. the "what ifs" don't really matter at this point. The Refs made some bad calls but to suggest how the outcome has been altered is just guessing.

 

[-AC-]

Geez this link basically makes my point I made here on page 2 of this thread.

The Ref was downgraded because he improperly enforced the rules on the flags that were thrown AND for the poor judgment on throwing the offsetting flag.

That said, I doubt this dude gets downgraded if he just enforced the flags that were thrown resulting in a 4th and 2 situation AND I doubt the league makes a statement on the unsportsmanlike conduct flag much to the same regard. IMO it was the incorrect enforcement of the flags thrown causing controversy and was the impetus of the leagues reaction/statement.

JH can say all he wants that he would have gone for it in that situation however as many I'm not sold. For anyone who thinks this play absolutely didn't have an effect on the outcome of this game may not watch a lot of football. We've all seen the gimmie FG's get blocked and 4th and 2 plays go awry, 3rd and 6 is a much easier play to convert TD or not. Play calling, on both sides, are made by game situations and given a total different situation most likely results in a total different outcome.

Also I think the ref may have called the wrong number on the SF player unsportsmanlike penalty, which happens from time to time (specially in melees of this sort). I speculate this because in this link he refers to the offsetting penalty as 'a subsequent hit by a San Francisco player'

I think the league could have gone one step further and said that no unsportsmanlike penalty should have been called on any San Francisco players but they didn't. Sometimes what you don't say speaks loader than what you say.

wow, a speculative response wrapped around a conspiracy theory...

You should write a letter to your congressman...

 

[Kinzu]

Just watch the replay. Kaep's foot is touching down out of bounds as Clay is leaving his feet. Clay makes contact as Kaep is putting down his 2nd foot out of bounds. He was a good 4-5ft out of bounds by the time the tackle happened. All Clay had to do was either not jump, or when did not grab Kaep. When he wrapped his arms around Kaep and dragged him down backwards it gave off the appearance he was trying to purposely hurt him. Their was really no other reason to make that tackle.

 

[TobyTyler]

One thing that occurs can surely change the outcome .It is called 'The Butterfly Effect' and it happens in everyday life as well as football. the "what ifs" don't really matter at this point. The Refs made some bad calls but to suggest how the outcome has been altered is just guessing.

I wish I could get some of our people to see that about the Super Bowl last year. All the wouldda, shouldda, couldda about that on this board is depressing.

 

[I_am_1z]

Just watch the replay. Kaep's foot is touching down out of bounds as Clay is leaving his feet. Clay makes contact as Kaep is putting down his 2nd foot out of bounds. He was a good 4-5ft out of bounds by the time the tackle happened. All Clay had to do was either not jump, or when did not grab Kaep. When he wrapped his arms around Kaep and dragged him down backwards it gave off the appearance he was trying to purposely hurt him. Their was really no other reason to make that tackle.

Really is anyone here arguing Matthews didn't deserve the flag? I thought it was a tremendous display of athleticism, reminded me of the Wolverine (aka Brian Dawkins).

 

[deep9er]

Really is anyone here arguing Matthews didn't deserve the flag? I thought it was a tremendous display of athleticism, reminded me of the Wolverine (aka Brian Dawkins).

just your standard fan of the losing team looking for "reasons".

 

[Kinzu]

just your standard fan of the losing team looking for "reasons".

Yeah
You know Kaep is pretty amazing, but I don't think he defies the laws of gravity. He wasn't going to suddenly change direction midflight and come back in bounds to keep going for a touchdown. They day a player starts doing stuff like that is the day the game football probably ends along with life as we know it.

 

[Breaker99]

Geez this link basically makes my point I made here on page 2 of this thread.

The Ref was downgraded because he improperly enforced the rules on the flags that were thrown AND for the poor judgment on throwing the offsetting flag.

That said, I doubt this dude gets downgraded if he just enforced the flags that were thrown resulting in a 4th and 2 situation AND I doubt the league makes a statement on the unsportsmanlike conduct flag much to the same regard. IMO it was the incorrect enforcement of the flags thrown causing controversy and was the impetus of the leagues reaction/statement.

JH can say all he wants that he would have gone for it in that situation however as many I'm not sold. For anyone who thinks this play absolutely didn't have an effect on the outcome of this game may not watch a lot of football. We've all seen the gimmie FG's get blocked and 4th and 2 plays go awry, 3rd and 6 is a much easier play to convert TD or not. Play calling, on both sides, are made by game situations and given a total different situation most likely results in a total different outcome.

Also I think the ref may have called the wrong number on the SF player unsportsmanlike penalty, which happens from time to time (specially in melees of this sort). I speculate this because in this link he refers to the offsetting penalty as 'a subsequent hit by a San Francisco player'

I think the league could have gone one step further and said that no unsportsmanlike penalty should have been called on any San Francisco players but they didn't. Sometimes what you don't say speaks loader than what you say.

that is bull.

Here is the way their choices are ranked based on how bad of a fuck up it is from Worst to best.

1. They call mathews correctly for his hit out of bounds and incorrectly call staley and then they make it 4th and 2 for the 49ers. This is the worst scenario considering we know the correct call would have given the niners the ball on the three yard line with a first down.

2. The second worst is what happened.... and that was to correctly call a penalty on mathews, incorrectly make a call on Staley and then fuck the ball placement and down and make the niners play the down over. This is not as bad as the first option, because they don't completely screw the niners who would have had a first down on the 3 yard line had they called it correctly and at least have another try for a TD.

3. The best scenario would have been the correct call, which would have penalized mathews and given us the ball on the 3 yard line with a first down.


there is no way you can say that if they had called it as I pointed out in #1 the refs would not have been downgraded. That call would have penalized the wrong team the worst and given the team that committed the actual penalty the best case scenario.... a 4th down.

You just couldn't be more wrong.

 

[joshuar56]

Why the shit is this thread still around? It's just a breeding ground for trolls. One of the mods please lock it.

 

[Breaker99]

Is he lying or was he just wrong..

And have you actually read what he said before the game? It was NOTHING. When he said the word "hit" he literally was just talking about the new rule. Harbaugh, with his usual big mouth and overreaction, made it a bigger deal than it was.

As a packer fan you are just willing to give Mathews never ending benefit of the doubt. Good luck with that going forward. Mathews showed his colors taking a cheap shot, slapping staley, and talking in the media before it all about hitting kaep. If you want to give him the GB homer pass, then go ahead. This is the niner board, and I don't think many of us agree. Had this been Aldon Smith talking in the media about hitting rogers as much as possible in the media before the game and then he did that to rodgers you would be going berserk.

 

[I_am_1z]

just your standard fan of the losing team looking for "reasons".

Just not a homer fan of the 49ers, but they're still my favorite team.

 

[Vitamike]

no but if the niners only kick a FG or it gets blocked or they go for it and fail to get it, it changes hwo the game is called. You have no idea what would happen if that one play is changed. If you think the game would play out exactly the same, then you don't watch a lot of football.

Exactly, no one has any idea what would have happened, it appears to me we are saying the same exact thing.

One thing that occurs can surely change the outcome .It is called 'The Butterfly Effect' and it happens in everyday life as well as football. the "what ifs" don't really matter at this point. The Refs made some bad calls but to suggest how the outcome has been altered is just guessing.

First you say 'One thing that occurs can surely change the outcome and then go on to say suggesting the outcome has been altered is just guessing' do you see the conflict here?

Look, what happened, happened and nothing any of us state will change the facts of what occurred and that's for sure, if this is what you are saying then I guess we agree with this too.

wow, a speculative response wrapped around a conspiracy theory...

You should write a letter to your congressman...

No conspiracy theory on my part. I think everything that happened was legit, just the ref made mistakes and got downgraded due to them and the only speculative response was about who the ref was actually calling the penalty on however it is not based without precedent. We have all watched enough football to know the refs call out guys numbers who aren't even on the field or clearly not involved in the penalty and the penalty still gets upheld because there was a foul, they just got the number wrong.

I'm not saying that is the case rather it may have occurred, there was no apparent penalty on Staley yet he still was called for the foul. In the link I quoted, the ref uses a name on the first foul for the dead ball late hit, however only refers to the offsetting penalty as a San Francisco player. Interesting way to put at the very least, why not just say Staley or who he fouled like he did with the first flag?

I honestly like football, a lot. I've been on your boards many times to talk football with you guys and some of you may know me from SeeBS so I'm not here to talk down the 9ers. I like the fact that our Division is the best in football and that you guys are doing well these days. No one wants to be top of their Division and the middle of the League, right?

I said it before and I'll say it again, I don't like Clay Matthews and think he is a bit of cheap shot and a punk to say the least. I don't think this play was cheap, however clearly a penalty and I don't blame Staley for getting in the mix, that's what he should do however it still runs the risk of getting that offsetting penalty, right or wrong.

My problem with the whole play was the enforcement of the penalties that were called. Had they got that right there would be none of this. Furthermore, the knucklehead in all of this is Mike McCarthy. He clearly should have declined the penalty on the previous play and the first 3rd and 6 never happens, also he clearly (In hindsight) should have challenged the spot of the ball (Since the ball was suppose to be spotted four yards closer to the goal) and the down would have been straightened out as well.

By the way, just so y'all know, and maybe you agree, I think my comments are more damning for the Pack then for the 9ers.

As a matter of fact, I don't see a single thing the 9ers did wrong. IMO they did everything they were suppose to do.

I'll get off this thread as I really don't want to stir shit and for some it must be coming across that way. So until we have another interesting topic at hand.

Cheers!

~ Vita