All Purpose Trade Thread

[Cbrower91]

Coho reportedly had attitude issues

 

[filosofy29]

Dude, even if we did the folks saying DW has traded away all these valuable pieces are full of shit.

But thanks for not making me be the one to point that out.

I'm not sure what they traded was super valuable (see Wishart, Ty, lol). I'm just saying that he's been impressive stats wise and in the limited youtube video I've seen. I admittedly am ignorant on Connelly and I think McGinn is what he is at this point.

I like Galiardi for the future. I htink he could round out into a nice 2nd line player. Winnik could be good for the next couple seasons too if he re-signs. I like him a lot better than Desjardins, that's for sure.

Overall, I'm just really happy that the Sharks held on to their 1st rounder, Demers and Braun. I was really nervous about that.

With Detroit, Vancouver and now Nashville and St. Louis as strong as they are this season, I would have hated to see the Sharks mortgage the future again.

 

[abaskin18]

I'm not sure what they traded was super valuable (see Wishart, Ty, lol). I'm just saying that he's been impressive stats wise and in the limited youtube video I've seen. I admittedly am ignorant on Connelly and I think McGinn is what he is at this point.

I'm not talking about you, ya ignorant Gaucho. Jury is still very much out on Coyle, Sagargbossa-ba-ba and the first that went to Minny.

 

[rares]

Overall, I'm just really happy that the Sharks held on to their 1st rounder, Demers and Braun. I was really nervous about that.

Just curious... why Demers?

I've given up on that kid. He's completely useless. He's been in the league how many years now and he still makes the biggest dumbass mistakes/turnovers in his zone/etc...

Bad news is that he's probably worthless trade-value wise because other GMs also had to have noticed what I have...

Now, Braun on the other hand... definitely shouldn't be traded.

 

[rares]

From an Avs fan over at FTF:

Winnik

The Good: Big guy. Skates well and gives lots of effort. Absolutely amazing defender and PKer, great hockey sense in his own zone. Can play RW, best on the left though. Likes to be on the puck offensively, good at shielding the puck, and strong on his skates.

The Bad: Doesn’t hit much. It’s absolutely confounding. Pretty aloof after the whistle. Hopeless in terms of offensive hockey sense, constantly does stupid things and flubs scoring chances (he got a lot of top 6 time for unknown reasons this year). Terrible passer. Pretty average shot. Rumored to have been very difficult to negotiate with (that’s how we got him, PHX traded him in exasperation after some RFA negotiations).

Overall: Really solid 3rd liner. One of the best PKers in the league. Don’t expect him to hit much, play with snarl or score.

Galiardi

The Good: Pretty good size and still growing. He put on a lot of muscle just this last offseason. Excellent skater. Works hard most of the time. Decent defender and PKer. Good vision, has a good idea of where to go offensively (especially to the front of the net) and will dig pucks out of corners well. Can be a yappy agitator and really get guys off their games, he’s really quick-witted (follow him on twitter for good times). Can play C or LW equally well.

The Bad: Terrible shot. Just awful. Makes it hard to put him on a top 6 line where he might fit in otherwise. Has puzzling lapses in concentration and effort that lead to goals against and losses of possession offensively (I would bet good money this is what got him traded). Despite his skill at it, won’t agitate enough.

Overall: Inconsistent 3rd liner with top 6 potential.

I’m sad to see them both go, but happy that we got McGinn, I think he’s better than both of them. Gali has a lot of potential though, and was in Sacco’s doghouse. With some good coaching, he could really blossom.

 

[abaskin18]

Just curious... why Demers?

I've given up on that kid. He's completely useless. He's been in the league how many years now and he still makes the biggest dumbass mistakes/turnovers in his zone/etc...

Bad news is that he's probably worthless trade-value wise because other GMs also had to have noticed what I have...

Now, Braun on the other hand... definitely shouldn't be traded.

As long as I'm answering your questions to others...

I think Demers is more valuable than you think based on his offensive decision making. It's always been my opinion that guys who don't make good decisions on O can't be taught to do so. His defensive decisions need improvement, but I actually think that is coachable or at least more coachable then offensive instincts.

 

[MrChangoT97]

who cares what a AV's fan say, its not like they never seen a STANLEY CUP winning team before.

oooo wait I forgot THEY HAVE!!!!

 

[filosofy29]

Just curious... why Demers?

I've given up on that kid. He's completely useless. He's been in the league how many years now and he still makes the biggest dumbass mistakes/turnovers in his zone/etc...

Bad news is that he's probably worthless trade-value wise because other GMs also had to have noticed what I have...

Now, Braun on the other hand... definitely shouldn't be traded.

Because he's been injured and demoted by Teh Tahd. He was absolutely money in the last 25 or so games last year and the first couple rounds of the playoffs when partnered with Vlasic. He has a physical element to his game, a good first pass and can skate well. His confidence seems to be lacking this year, but I think he can learn as he gets older about the defensive awareness. If he played in that Vancouver series last year, who knows what happens. If the Sharks take 1 of the first 2, the Canucks have had a bad choking past as well, who knows where their mental mindset is. I like what Demers brings to the table. Braun is much better in the offensive zone, walking the line and getting a quick, hard shot on net, but he's got more holes (in my humble opinion) than Demers in his overall game. Demers is also much more physical, I was actually surprised that Braun went after Seto last game, lol.

 

[abaskin18]

From an Avs fan over at FTF:

Better than I thought. Especially the comment on Winnik's PK ability. I hope this dude is knowledgable/even handed.

 

[rares]

As long as I'm answering your questions to others...

I think Demers is more valuable than you think based on his offensive decision making. It's always been my opinion that guys who don't make good decisions on O can't be taught to do so. His defensive decisions need improvement, but I actually think that is coachable or at least more coachable then offensive instincts.

Haha, np.

I see what you're saying but, to me, Demers is just a bit TOO nonchalant (read: shitty) in his own end and I'm too nervous about that. This currently causes his offensive contributions to appear largely meaningless to me, in the big picture.

If it's (defensive liability) coachable, it must mean that we have shitty coaches? Since his defense is mostly terribad out there every game with no sign of improvement?

 

[abaskin18]

Haha, np.

I see what you're saying but, to me, Demers is just a bit TOO nonchalant (read: shitty) in his own end and I'm too nervous about that. This currently causes his offensive contributions to appear largely meaningless to me, in the big picture.

If it's (defensive liability) coachable, it must mean that we have shitty coaches? Since his defense is mostly terribad out there every game with no sign of improvement?

Blame the coaching for not fixing a lower round guy in an area that I (a mere fan) think is coachable? I'll pass on that, especially since his performance in all three zones to end last year was anything but shitty.

I feel like you just need to blame someone for something, Rares. Obama/BushJr, Lebron and Tim Tebow are all available.

 

[rares]

Fair enough.

No, I don't need someone to blame.

I'm not a fan of Demers and I would never be bummed if he was traded away, is all I was trying to get across.

But yes, I also don't like our coaches right now. Way too passive, IMO. Oh, and that God awful PK. Whichever coach uhh.. coaches it, should have been fired a month or two ago.

But that's for another thread/conversation. :p

 

[sjrules99]

winnik is a great PKer??? When have I heard that one before??? Dougie threw 2.5M for an over-the-hill, 3rd line C who was supposed to fix the PK. Well, Strike One. Moore is supposed to be a good PK'er, and granted he hasnt had much of a chance yet, but he is 0 for 1 on his PK shifts and cost s 2nd rounder. Now, Winnik... maybe its not the personnel but the coaching???

Galiardi has some potential, but it's hard to see this guy as a top 6 of the future. he had a nice rookie year, but I just dont see it.

I just cant see this turning this team around today or in the future.

 

[abaskin18]

Fair enough.

No, I don't need someone to blame.

I'm not a fan of Demers and I would never be bummed if he was traded away, is all I was trying to get across.

But yes, I also don't like our coaches right now. Way too passive, IMO. Oh, and that God awful PK. Whichever coach uhh.. coaches it, should have been fired a month or two ago.

But that's for another thread/conversation. :p

I know I know. Not so much suggesting you were as I was making a more general comment. I think we, as fans, should focus our attention on the on ice products (the players). Despite our shortcomings in analyzing their play, at least we can see it when we watch the games. We don't know what the fuck is happening in the war rooms, locker rooms, and practices at all.

 

[filosofy29]

winnik is a great PKer??? When have I heard that one before??? Dougie threw 2.5M for an over-the-hill, 3rd line C who was supposed to fix the PK. Well, Strike One. Moore is supposed to be a good PK'er, and granted he hasnt had much of a chance yet, but he is 0 for 1 on his PK shifts and cost s 2nd rounder. Now, Winnik... maybe its not the personnel but the coaching???

Galiardi has some potential, but it's hard to see this guy as a top 6 of the future. he had a nice rookie year, but I just dont see it.

I just cant see this turning this team around today or in the future.

Could be the coaching, unfortunately, it's looking that way right now.

What has McGinn ever done? Galiardi had 15 goals and 39 pts his rookie year. McGinn had a nice first 35 games with the Sharks this year.

It doesn't.....but what trade would you have done? What player out there could have fixed the current mess that is the Sharks?

 

[abaskin18]

winnik is a great PKer??? When have I heard that one before??? Dougie threw 2.5M for an over-the-hill, 3rd line C who was supposed to fix the PK. Well, Strike One. Moore is supposed to be a good PK'er, and granted he hasnt had much of a chance yet, but he is 0 for 1 on his PK shifts and cost s 2nd rounder. Now, Winnik... maybe its not the personnel but the coaching???

Galiardi has some potential, but it's hard to see this guy as a top 6 of the future. he had a nice rookie year, but I just dont see it.

I just cant see this turning this team around today or in the future.

People sometimes say it when the guy is good on the PK, but these cases are rare, very rare indeed. Most of the time it's said to trick people who know better into believing a lower scoring guy can be valuable.

 

[li0lsh]

Avs just robbed SJ in trade. McGinn has 15-20 goal potential and prospect Sgarbossa is great player for Sudbury and is 2nd in OHL scoring.

-Steve Fitzsimmon

 

[sjrules99]

People sometimes say it when the guy is good on the PK, but these cases are rare, very rare indeed. Most of the time it's said to trick people who know better into believing a lower scoring guy can be valuable.

I totally agree. mitchell, moore, handzus, etc. are supposed to be "good PKers" but I think it depends far more on the system than the individual players. If there is a good system and players know their position and where they need to be, then anybody can be a good PKer. On the contrary if the system is easily beaten then no individual can kill a penalty. it's always a full four man job with a unified system. One guy off course will kill the whole thing.

the best "trade" the sharks could have made would be to sign some PK specialist coach with a great history of coaching that aspect of the game, rather than trade their 2nd best young player on the team, 2nd best scorer in the entire OHL, and one of the top scorers in worcester and gut the roster/system even further for a to-be-ufa 4th liner, and very questionably 3rd/4th liner.

 

[filosofy29]

-Steve Fitzsimmon

Sgarbosa could definitely end up hurting the Sharks in the future. Of that, there is no doubt. However, he could be a bust too. It's so hard to predict young talent save for the Crosby's and Ovechkin's of the world.

LMAO about McGinn. I like Ginner and wish him well, but only way he cracks 20 goals is if he plays on one of the top 2 lines.....if he's on your top two lines, then your team is fucked. Inconsistency plagues that kid. He's got talent, so it's one of two things (or a mixture of both):

1.) He doesn't work hard enough at his game in the offseason.

2.) He doesn't have good enough hockey smarts to be effective for long periods of time.

He's got good speed, a hard shot and plays physical, but too often he doesn't use any of them to be where he needs to be. If he can rectify the above problems, he may crack the 20 goal plateau once or twice in his career.....I won't hold my breath.

If anybody of the group scores 20 first, my money is on Galiardi.

 

[filosofy29]

I totally agree. mitchell, moore, handzus, etc. are supposed to be "good PKers" but I think it depends far more on the system than the individual players. If there is a good system and players know their position and where they need to be, then anybody can be a good PKer. On the contrary if the system is easily beaten then no individual can kill a penalty. it's always a full four man job with a unified system. One guy off course will kill the whole thing.

the best "trade" the sharks could have made would be to sign some PK specialist coach with a great history of coaching that aspect of the game, rather than trade their 2nd best young player on the team, 2nd best scorer in the entire OHL, and one of the top scorers in worcester and gut the roster/system even further for a to-be-ufa 4th liner, and very questionably 3rd/4th liner.

Can't agree more. Which is worrisome, because I don't see it happening anytime soon. Wilson and McLeeloo seem to have faith in whoever runs the PK.

Fair enough on the young talent, but isn't McGinn at best a very questionable 3rd/4th liner? At least Galiardi has potential to be a decent 2nd liner. He was a huge pest and very impressive the year the Avs and Sharks met up in the first round.