2021 Patriots News

[redseat]

I hold no ill will toward TB12 and anyone that does IMO is a fair weather fan.

I don't either... Sucks he left obviously but he wasn't being appreciated in New England by BB so he left and now he is having success

 

[YankeeRebel]

In other Pats news the Patriots have decided to start Nick Folk at QB Sunday, when asked BB stated "it can't get much worse!" David Andrews will be taking over the kicking duties. When asked BB stated "Shit I don't have confidence in either position at this time"

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I hold no ill will toward TB12 and anyone that does IMO is a fair weather fan.

I do hold ill will toward TB, and I am a fan of the Pats come hell or high water.
In Bill's own words, he sold everything to win one more Super Bowl for 5 consecutive years and it played out nicely.
The next year, when there was nothing left to sell and the cupboards were bare, TB leaves without looking at the offer, admits he froze out receivers he didn't like and said Bill wouldn't give him the WR's he wanted even though Bill Traded future pick and brought in a dumpster fire.
Brady rode the horse like a stolen mule and couldn't even be bothered to dismount near a watering hole.
Fair weather fan, my ass. I was a Pats fan long before Brady, and I'll be a Pats fan long after.
There have been players that have gone on to play other places that I have continued to root for, but they did not try to fuck the Pats on the way out the door.
And anyone who can't see even a bit of truth in that is just an obtuse contrarian.

IMO.

 

[YankeeRebel]

I do hold ill will toward TB, and I am a fan of the Pats come hell or high water.
In Bill's own words, he sold everything to win one more Super Bowl for 5 consecutive years and it played out nicely.
The next year, when there was nothing left to sell and the cupboards were bare, TB leaves without looking at the offer, admits he froze out receivers he didn't like and said Bill wouldn't give him the WR's he wanted even though Bill Traded future pick and brought in a dumpster fire.
Brady rode the horse like a stolen mule and couldn't even be bothered to dismount near a watering hole.
Fair weather fan, my ass. I was a Pats fan long before Brady, and I'll be a Pats fan long after.
There have been players that have gone on to play other places that I have continued to root for, but they did not try to fuck the Pats on the way out the door.
And anyone who can't see even a bit of truth in that is just an obtuse contrarian.

IMO.

Okay no where did I ever see where TB stated he froze out receivers. If you have that link please post entire article.

And fuck that bullshit left when the cupboards where bare, that shit makes no damn sense to me at all. 20 years with one team, 20 years a lot of which he had shitty support players, 20 years and 6 SB wins, 20 years and 9 SB appearances at the end of a career and you expect he needs to be loyal? Hadn't he already done this?

TB is a competitor there was no way this late in his career he could withstand another rebuild, he was at the end of a contract and made a decision to try and win another SB, isn't that what players aim for? IMO anyone that has any issues with TB is just a spoiled rotten fan incapable of objective thought. To imply TB owed this team something is one of the more asinine things I have read on this board.

 

[BigKen]

There are truths and fables on both sides. Brady did admit that he froze out certain receivers because 'hge' didn't trust them or didn't think that they were able to make certain plays. Right or wrong, TB had twenty years of experience to make those judgements and maybe he let 'his' ego dictate.

Here we are, about to cross another thresh hold into the 2020's. BB in his first twenty years with the patriots has never ""HAD"" to draft a QB. He had Bledsoe and Brady and then when Brady got hurt he had Matt Cassell who ran the team and finished out of the playoffs at 11-5. IMHO, BB signed Cam as a short term means to save the face of the Patriots and possibly tread water long enough so that he could get enough capital to restock those depleted cupboards. I don't think anyone thought that Cam had lost as much as he has. He was never a passing QB, but could make passes when he had to. he could always run because of his speed and size. We found out early that Cam cannot pass at all and he does not have the running ability that he once had. He is literally a shell of the 2015 Can Newton.

2021 will be a bell tower year. Bill has two serious deficits. One first and most most serious is that he has no QB that he trusts. The seconds is that there are no high quality targets for a QB to throw to. If a major strides are not taken to improve this offense, even Bob Kraft can't sit back and wait to see if BB can rebuild over five or six years. Kraft is 79 years old and may not have that time left. Johnathan Kraft won't have the patience to go through 5 or 6 years of a repeat of 2020.

Bill has to cut both Cam and Hoyer loose and not look back. Stidham, even if he's not going to start will provide good competition in camp for a late pick like Crum, Pickett, Purdy, Book, Franks or Costello. He also needs to pick up at least three WRs that are bigger and better than he has now. There will be talent late like, St Brown, Williams(Aub) , Newsome (NC),Smith (SC), Collins (MIch), Moore (Miss). He just can't ignore the needs and go after his wants.

 

[YankeeRebel]

There are truths and fables on both sides. Brady did admit that he froze out certain receivers because 'hge' didn't trust them or didn't think that they were able to make certain plays. Right or wrong, TB had twenty years of experience to make those judgements and maybe he let 'his' ego dictate.

Here we are, about to cross another thresh hold into the 2020's. BB in his first twenty years with the patriots has never ""HAD"" to draft a QB. He had Bledsoe and Brady and then when Brady got hurt he had Matt Cassell who ran the team and finished out of the playoffs at 11-5. IMHO, BB signed Cam as a short term means to save the face of the Patriots and possibly tread water long enough so that he could get enough capital to restock those depleted cupboards. I don't think anyone thought that Cam had lost as much as he has. He was never a passing QB, but could make passes when he had to. he could always run because of his speed and size. We found out early that Cam cannot pass at all and he does not have the running ability that he once had. He is literally a shell of the 2015 Can Newton.

2021 will be a bell tower year. Bill has two serious deficits. One first and most most serious is that he has no QB that he trusts. The seconds is that there are no high quality targets for a QB to throw to. If a major strides are not taken to improve this offense, even Bob Kraft can't sit back and wait to see if BB can rebuild over five or six years. Kraft is 79 years old and may not have that time left. Johnathan Kraft won't have the patience to go through 5 or 6 years of a repeat of 2020.

Bill has to cut both Cam and Hoyer loose and not look back. Stidham, even if he's not going to start will provide good competition in camp for a late pick like Crum, Pickett, Purdy, Book, Franks or Costello. He also needs to pick up at least three WRs that are bigger and better than he has now. There will be talent late like, St Brown, Williams(Aub) , Newsome (NC),Smith (SC), Collins (MIch), Moore (Miss). He just can't ignore the needs and go after his wants.

Again I would like to read the article in full text to determine the depth of that accusation i'd like to see where he stated he " Froze Receivers Out: That has never been his MO it's always been throw to the open man. . And if he didn't think a WR could make the play that's not freezing one out, it's doing what is best for the team. This is why context is so important because it seems to me some bitter bitches are grabbing onto to something that may not be there.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Okay no where did I ever see where TB stated he froze out receivers. If you have that link please post entire article.

And fuck that bullshit left when the cupboards where bare, that shit makes no damn sense to me at all. 20 years with one team, 20 years a lot of which he had shitty support players, 20 years and 6 SB wins, 20 years and 9 SB appearances at the end of a career and you expect he needs to be loyal? Hadn't he already done this?

TB is a competitor there was no way this late in his career he could withstand another rebuild, he was at the end of a contract and made a decision to try and win another SB, isn't that what players aim for? IMO anyone that has any issues with TB is just a spoiled rotten fan incapable of objective thought. To imply TB owed this team something is one of the more asinine things I have read on this board.

he said Wednesday on The Howard Stern Show. “I’ve definitely expressed my opinion to say, ‘If you put him out there, I’m not going to throw him the ball.’

If you don't keep up with what goes on in the real world, That's on you.

 

[YankeeRebel]

he said Wednesday on The Howard Stern Show. “I’ve definitely expressed my opinion to say, ‘If you put him out there, I’m not going to throw him the ball.’

If you don't keep up with what goes on in the real world, That's on you.

Ooh someone sounds a little bitter. But in my defense I never considered Howard Stern the real world and that is on you.

Now to the comment, if TB or any NFL QB feels any WR is not capable of running the route, getting separation, failing to adjust, fails to see what the QB see's, or had hands of stone common sense would dictate he would relay that to the coaching staff. In all honesty if you or anyone holds that against him say's more about you and them

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Ooh someone sounds a little bitter. But in my defense I never considered Howard Stern the real world and that is on you.

Now to the comment, if TB or any NFL QB feels any WR is not capable of running the route, getting separation, failing to adjust, fails to see what the QB see's, or had hands of stone common sense would dictate he would relay that to the coaching staff. In all honesty if you or anyone holds that against him say's more about you and them

Too many times he would not throw to a WIDE OPEN receiver, he threw it in the dirt.
Dorsett completely uncovered, hand in the air and he threw it in the dirt. Jacobi Meyer completely uncovered at the 1 yard line and he threw to a triple covered Edelman and risked the INT.
They lost those games that would have made a difference between #1 seed and playing WC round because he already had his mind made up he was leaving and was setting fire to the bridge. He had his mind made up when he signed his 2 year $70 mil I'm so poor and disrespected contract.

Brady said it on the Howard Stern show. I don't care if it was ESPN or Phil Donahue, he said it.
If you don't think it's worth any salt because of which show it was said on...
Again, obtuse contrarian.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Too many times he would not throw to a WIDE OPEN receiver, he threw it in the dirt.
Dorsett completely uncovered, hand in the air and he threw it in the dirt. Jacobi Meyer completely uncovered at the 1 yard line and he threw to a triple covered Edelman and risked the INT.
They lost those games that would have made a difference between #1 seed and playing WC round because he already had his mind made up he was leaving and was setting fire to the bridge. He had his mind made up when he signed his 2 year $70 mil I'm so poor and disrespected contract.

Brady said it on the Howard Stern show. I don't care if it was ESPN or Phil Donahue, he said it.
If you don't think it's worth any salt because of which show it was said on...
Again, obtuse contrarian.

So now you are trying to tell me you read the play better than TB12? You determined that " To many times he "WOULD" not throw to a wide open receiver" You get to make that call over the greatest QB ever? You also have to realize some of these plays are predetermined pre snap non audible calls.

I think it's also very important to remember all the great plays he made, all the years he did so much more with so much less. Honestly you coming off like a bitter prick does not make TB the bad person it makes you the bad person.

I think saying it on the Howard Stern shows limits who is going to hear it. I don't know of any mature adults that listen to him. And again you don't know the reasoning behind the comment. You just want to be an argumentative douche who is slighted because he didn't get what he wanted.

TB leaving NE has nothing to do with NE, nothing to do with TB owing NE anything and you feeling as if it or he does just shows how little a person / fan you truly are.

 

[Carnzo]

I watched TB ignore open receivers time after time last year with my own eyes.

It was plainly an effort to exclude the open man.
You may have convinced yourself that he didn't but it was plain to see.
TB checked out for the team last year.

 

[YankeeRebel]

I watched TB ignore open receivers time after time last year with my own eyes.

It was plainly an effort to exclude the open man.
You may have convinced yourself that he didn't but it was plain to see.
TB checked out for the team last year.

I don't agree, I watched quite a few of the games last year and I don't agree. I think it's asinine for any pro athlete at any level to intentionally fuck things up, and that's what is being implied here.

You really think Brady was intentionally trying to lose because in the end that's what is being implied.

 

[Carnzo]

I don't agree, I watched quote a few of the games last year and I don't agree. I think it's asinine for any pro athlete at any level to intentionally fuck things up, and that's what is being implied here.

You really think Brady was intentionally trying to lose because in the end that's what is being implied.

Yes, without a doubt. TB ignored the open man regularly sandbagging the team. He was done with NE in camp forward.

 

[YankeeRebel]

Yes, without a doubt. TB ignored the open man regularly sandbagging the team. He was done with NE in camp forward.

WOW!

Okay, You have a nice day. I can't argue opinion.

Tom Brady Career Stats | NFL.com

 

[redseat]

WOW!

Okay, You have a nice day. I can't argue opinion.

Tom Brady Career Stats | NFL.com

My "problem" with Brady was he didn't want to throw to guys who weren't Edelman. He seemed to not really work with them. Yes it was a trust thing and I totally get that, trust is earned but it goes both ways... Brady didn't seem to want them to get better...

 

[YankeeRebel]

My "problem" with Brady was he didn't want to throw to guys who weren't Edelman. He seemed to not really work with them. Yes it was a trust thing and I totally get that, trust is earned but it goes both ways... Brady didn't seem to want them to get better...

Look at the Stats I posted. Is there a difference from last year to years prior at least recent years prior? Yes there is but it's very minimal. Once again the organization dealt Brady a shit hand, gave him horrible options at WR and expected SB caliber play. Of course he went to Edelman more I am sure he felt that was his best chance to move the ball downfield. Look at the stats, and I am not a stat guy, look at them think about the hand he was dealt and if you still feel it's on Brady then so be it.

I feel its much more about poor management of the team / organization and them thinking Brady could work the same magic he worked in years past. Either way, no matter how you view this, Brady had every right to leave, he was no longer under contract and knew full well with the shit show the Pats presented there was no way he could win here. I think it's incredibly selfish of fans to blame Brady for leaving when this team this year was what he had to work with. Selfish!!!

 

[redseat]

Look at the Stats I posted. Is there a difference from last year to years prior at least recent years prior? Yes there is but it's very minimal. Once again the organization dealt Brady a shit hand, gave him horrible options at WR and expected SB caliber play. Of course he went to Edelman more I am sure he felt that was his best chance to move the ball downfield. Look at the stats, and I am not a stat guy, look at them think about the hand he was dealt and if you still feel it's on Brady then so be it.

I feel its much more about poor management of the team / organization and them thinking Brady could work the same magic he worked in years past. Either way, no matter how you view this, Brady had every right to leave, he was no longer under contract and knew full well with the shit show the Pats presented there was no way he could win here. I think it's incredibly selfish of fans to blame Brady for leaving when this team this year was what he had to work with. Selfish!!!

I wasn't just talking about last season.. I never said he had amazing talent to work with either... I am also NOT blaming Brady for leaving. But I am not a complete homer that says Brady did absolutely nothing wrong while in New England. It was very evident if you messed up once or twice you were on his shit list and he didn't really want to help said person out of it.. I wasn't expecting Brady to work his magic last season because he couldn't with what he was given.. He was not given anything..

 

[YankeeRebel]

I wasn't just talking about last season.. I never said he had amazing talent to work with either... I am also NOT blaming Brady for leaving. But I am not a complete homer that says Brady did absolutely nothing wrong while in New England. It was very evident if you messed up once or twice you were on his shit list and he didn't really want to help said person out of it.. I wasn't expecting Brady to work his magic last season because he couldn't with what he was given.. He was not given anything..

And I agree that you could end up on the shit list, and I don't doubt Brady said " You can put him in but I am not throwing to him", I also believe comments like that are made all the time to coaches, because when shit don't look right on offense what is the first position they look too?

And this all was kicked of by people holding ill will toward TB and I know you are not in that group I just think it's an asinine thing to do.

 

[redseat]

And I agree that you could end up on the shit list, and I don't doubt Brady said " You can put him in but I am not throwing to him", I also believe comments like that are made all the time to coaches, because when shit don't look right on offense what is the first position they look too?

And this all was kicked of by people holding ill will toward TB and I know you are not in that group I just think it's an asinine thing to do.

I am not sure it was coaching either that told Brady to not throw to said players either.. Bottom line we will never know

 

[nefansince75]

I do hold ill will toward TB, and I am a fan of the Pats come hell or high water.
In Bill's own words, he sold everything to win one more Super Bowl for 5 consecutive years and it played out nicely.
The next year, when there was nothing left to sell and the cupboards were bare, TB leaves without looking at the offer, admits he froze out receivers he didn't like and said Bill wouldn't give him the WR's he wanted even though Bill Traded future pick and brought in a dumpster fire.
Brady rode the horse like a stolen mule and couldn't even be bothered to dismount near a watering hole.
Fair weather fan, my ass. I was a Pats fan long before Brady, and I'll be a Pats fan long after.
There have been players that have gone on to play other places that I have continued to root for, but they did not try to fuck the Pats on the way out the door.
And anyone who can't see even a bit of truth in that is just an obtuse contrarian.

IMO.

I don't disagree he left in less than an ideal way, but since when do break ups end perfectly? He gave 20 years and wanted something else...