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So wait...Lebron has an opt-out clause after THIS year? I really don't get that. He sounded all in about taking 3-4 years or so to turn this thing again. I mean Gilbert can't screw it all up in 1 year can he?
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I get the 2 yrs due to the new tv contracts but the opt out at yr 1 makes no sense
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The decision 3.0 coming soon
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Back to Miami?! lol
BTW i saw your post on the Tshirt thing BKS, fucking died laughing. "fuck lebron james"
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Maybe he'll opt out and play at a discounted rate next year so the Cavs can add some more depth.
Unique concept that Wade/Bosh were ready to do for him last week.
He couldn't go for it though....screw going for history and playing for a 5 th and counting straight title.....no way to stay here and do that when the children of Northeast Ohio need you because nothing is given there.
I guess the young kids in the inner city here who currently grew up rooting for James aren't worth caring about?
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He's gonna opt out and the Knicks are gonna be sitting there with ALL OF THAT MONEY. Does he say no to that?
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Let's hope not.
Then, he can play a year there, lose,
opt out and go to LA with Durant.
By the time his career ends we'll hopefully have more Decisions then Rocky movies.
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The more I think about it, the more I give the Knicks atleast a chance at pulling it off. Gonna be hard to turn down Melo and Phil, but it would be beyond horrible to see that happen to Cleveland again
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He can't do it. There's just no way.
He'd be better off to retire...then come back in a year or something.
That's really what's mind boggling about what he did. He left no wiggle room.
So many big doors are opening in the next 2 years.
He could have stayed in Miami on a year to year basis, without explanation.
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Lebrons legacy anyone?
Now before admins take me to the superthread, i think this stands on its own.
Also, before anyone goes, Kobe this or Jordan that, this thread is not about them. As was the case with Bryant and Jordan, its time for Lebron to have his own spotlight in the individual legacy category. So for your amusement...
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So where we at with Lebrons legacy anyway?
Here we had this highly touted kid, from AKRON, OHIO. From where? Alright whatever. Hes going to be the next what? Hes good enough to be the next who? Alright lets take a look at this kid. Hes pretty good. When he first came into the league for such a young cat he put up some good numbers. Nothing special though. How many rooks have done that and been long forgotten since? Alright. So he started to grow into a man, and his physical gifts became apparent. He transformed into a physical specimen, and he used it to the fullest. Then the basketball IQ came along and watch out! This kid can score, rebound, and pass? Not bad, not bad. He became a god in Cleveland. I mean an absolute sports god. Everyone in Ohio i can imagine wanted to see Lebron. Lebron helped put the NBA back on the Pop culture map. He was awe inspiring and polarizing, as many great talents are. He was also tremendous dunker, and we all love our tremendous dunks.
So he has it all, fame, money, talent. But i think it all started to weight on him. Did anybody read the letter he wrote in SI? He wanted out of Cleveland. He made that abundantly clear.
"Remember when I was sitting up there at the Boys & Girls Club in 2010? I was thinking, This is really tough. I could feel it. I was leaving something I had spent a long time creating. If I had to do it all over again, I’d obviously do things differently, but I’d still have left."
I think the pressure got to Lebron to be honest. And he ran. And i think he knows he ran. But who hasn't right? He was a young kid. I don't blame him. I always thought the reason he did "The decision" on live TV was because he was young and dumb. Just a dumb young kid. A kid who was a millionaire, the "KING", and could do no wrong. Everyone loved him. I mean they called him "King James" for shitfucks sake. Isn't funny though, how love can make a person run?
If he would have won 1 title in Cleveland it would have been worth the 6 he promised for Miami. So what was his decision? He ran to where he could win the quickest and easiest way. The Heat at the time where really the only place he could have done so with roster make ups around the league at the time. He turned his back on that city. On that state. The people that loved him and worshiped him. The city of Cleveland especially loved him. It devastated the local economy when he left. He didn't just leave, the left dust and ashes in his wake. Talk about pressure. He choose winning over loyalty. I know its a business, and he has his rights. But WHO forced his hand? Who made him make his "Decision".
Obviously for Lebron James, it was not about commitment. It wasn't about commitment for the city of Cleveland, and it wasn't about commitment for the city of Miami. He obviously was really confused, by his
"Decisions" and as his "Letter" clearly indicates.
His situation is most unique i must say. He had it all already, and in the city he could most closely call home, but he needed more.
The stories about how much Cleveland loved Lebron are legendary. The one i always remember are how people FLYING OVER THE CITY could see the huge banners that covered entire skyscrapers with the words
"WITNESS"
What more can i say?
Millions upon millions were lost.
So Lebron was right....
"People there have seen me grow up. I sometimes feel like I’m their son. Their passion can be overwhelming. But it drives me. I want to give them hope when I can. I want to inspire them when I can. My relationship with Northeast Ohio is bigger than basketball. I didn’t realize that four years ago. I do now."
I think he was disappointed in himself. I also think he felt the disappointment from the people of Ohio. In some strange way maybe he just didn't want to disappoint them anymore eh? He felt the pressure and needed to win. I dont think it was the pressure of being an all time great. No not at all. How many times does Lebron have to prove to the world? The "Decision", this letter, his lack of wanting to step up to the MOMENT so that we may all WITNESS. It was an unfair pressure of being so beloved, so highly touted, so talented, that it became almost mythical.
In an interview before the end of the season of 2009-10 he said,
"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."
James also was asked what he could say to the people in Cleveland, and it was noteworthy that he used the past tense in saying "We had a great time together."
Today? Today hes a proven winner. But backed by what? Proven that he needs to win with 2 other Superstars? He had a much shitter roster in Cleveland, that much is certain. But his rosters in Miami were not even on the same planet. So it goes both ways.
When he left Cleveland he was nothing more then a proven loser. Its harsh i know, but it fits enough for me. Todays scenarios look like he can lure, rather then be lured. Promise, rather then be promised. In fact, in some ways Lebron has more power then ever in Cleveland. And he owes that to Miami.
We are not going to compare him to the greats. He belongs in the talent/Numbers comparison. Sure. But the winning is what puts you up with the all timers. How many greats played the game in the past, yesteryear, and present that we simply forget? I mean if Charles Barkley wasn't on TV i would have forgotten the mutherfucker if not for the occasional Phoenix fan and drunken all time great ramblings im sure we all have been a part of. Besides his career is far from over.
I dont think Lebron James wants to be the greatest of all time. I dont think that at all. He just doesnt show me he does. I still dont understand why he left Miami. I thought u wanted to win James? Now you want to do whats right? Is that really what this is all about? I really dont know what to make of "decision 2.0". Now hes done to Miami what he did to Cleveland. But in the end, in peoples eyes the NBA world over, "Home" is much more important then "Home away from home".
The saddest part about all this is that Lebrons legacy is not about winning. Its not about losing. Its not about stats. Its not about titles. Its not even about being an all time great.
Its about his mentality.
And that part his character has been ravaged by many people far and wide.
Cause when the going gets tough, Lebron gets............ the fuck outta there?
Lebrons only chance at redemption is us seeing a Lebron we have never seen before.
And im not sure that will ever happen.
But one thing is for certain, 1 title in Cleveland will mean more then any other title in NBA history in my eyes.
Goodluck Cleveland!
Now before admins take me to the superthread, i think this stands on its own.
Also, before anyone goes, Kobe this or Jordan that, this thread is not about them. As was the case with Bryant and Jordan, its time for Lebron to have his own spotlight in the individual legacy category. So for your amusement...
==================================================================
So where we at with Lebrons legacy anyway?
Here we had this highly touted kid, from AKRON, OHIO. From where? Alright whatever. Hes going to be the next what? Hes good enough to be the next who? Alright lets take a look at this kid. Hes pretty good. When he first came into the league for such a young cat he put up some good numbers. Nothing special though. How many rooks have done that and been long forgotten since? Alright. So he started to grow into a man, and his physical gifts became apparent. He transformed into a physical specimen, and he used it to the fullest. Then the basketball IQ came along and watch out! This kid can score, rebound, and pass? Not bad, not bad. He became a god in Cleveland. I mean an absolute sports god. Everyone in Ohio i can imagine wanted to see Lebron. Lebron helped put the NBA back on the Pop culture map. He was awe inspiring and polarizing, as many great talents are. He was also tremendous dunker, and we all love our tremendous dunks.
So he has it all, fame, money, talent. But i think it all started to weight on him. Did anybody read the letter he wrote in SI? He wanted out of Cleveland. He made that abundantly clear.
"Remember when I was sitting up there at the Boys & Girls Club in 2010? I was thinking, This is really tough. I could feel it. I was leaving something I had spent a long time creating. If I had to do it all over again, I’d obviously do things differently, but I’d still have left."
I think the pressure got to Lebron to be honest. And he ran. And i think he knows he ran. But who hasn't right? He was a young kid. I don't blame him. I always thought the reason he did "The decision" on live TV was because he was young and dumb. Just a dumb young kid. A kid who was a millionaire, the "KING", and could do no wrong. Everyone loved him. I mean they called him "King James" for shitfucks sake. Isn't funny though, how love can make a person run?
If he would have won 1 title in Cleveland it would have been worth the 6 he promised for Miami. So what was his decision? He ran to where he could win the quickest and easiest way. The Heat at the time where really the only place he could have done so with roster make ups around the league at the time. He turned his back on that city. On that state. The people that loved him and worshiped him. The city of Cleveland especially loved him. It devastated the local economy when he left. He didn't just leave, the left dust and ashes in his wake. Talk about pressure. He choose winning over loyalty. I know its a business, and he has his rights. But WHO forced his hand? Who made him make his "Decision".
Obviously for Lebron James, it was not about commitment. It wasn't about commitment for the city of Cleveland, and it wasn't about commitment for the city of Miami. He obviously was really confused, by his
"Decisions" and as his "Letter" clearly indicates.
His situation is most unique i must say. He had it all already, and in the city he could most closely call home, but he needed more.
The stories about how much Cleveland loved Lebron are legendary. The one i always remember are how people FLYING OVER THE CITY could see the huge banners that covered entire skyscrapers with the words
"WITNESS"
What more can i say?
Millions upon millions were lost.
So Lebron was right....
"People there have seen me grow up. I sometimes feel like I’m their son. Their passion can be overwhelming. But it drives me. I want to give them hope when I can. I want to inspire them when I can. My relationship with Northeast Ohio is bigger than basketball. I didn’t realize that four years ago. I do now."
I think he was disappointed in himself. I also think he felt the disappointment from the people of Ohio. In some strange way maybe he just didn't want to disappoint them anymore eh? He felt the pressure and needed to win. I dont think it was the pressure of being an all time great. No not at all. How many times does Lebron have to prove to the world? The "Decision", this letter, his lack of wanting to step up to the MOMENT so that we may all WITNESS. It was an unfair pressure of being so beloved, so highly touted, so talented, that it became almost mythical.
In an interview before the end of the season of 2009-10 he said,
"It's all about winning for me, and I think the Cavs are committed to doing that," he said. "But at the same time I've given myself options to this point, and like I said before, me and my team, we have a game plan that we're going to execute, and we'll see what we get."
James also was asked what he could say to the people in Cleveland, and it was noteworthy that he used the past tense in saying "We had a great time together."
Today? Today hes a proven winner. But backed by what? Proven that he needs to win with 2 other Superstars? He had a much shitter roster in Cleveland, that much is certain. But his rosters in Miami were not even on the same planet. So it goes both ways.
When he left Cleveland he was nothing more then a proven loser. Its harsh i know, but it fits enough for me. Todays scenarios look like he can lure, rather then be lured. Promise, rather then be promised. In fact, in some ways Lebron has more power then ever in Cleveland. And he owes that to Miami.
We are not going to compare him to the greats. He belongs in the talent/Numbers comparison. Sure. But the winning is what puts you up with the all timers. How many greats played the game in the past, yesteryear, and present that we simply forget? I mean if Charles Barkley wasn't on TV i would have forgotten the mutherfucker if not for the occasional Phoenix fan and drunken all time great ramblings im sure we all have been a part of. Besides his career is far from over.
I dont think Lebron James wants to be the greatest of all time. I dont think that at all. He just doesnt show me he does. I still dont understand why he left Miami. I thought u wanted to win James? Now you want to do whats right? Is that really what this is all about? I really dont know what to make of "decision 2.0". Now hes done to Miami what he did to Cleveland. But in the end, in peoples eyes the NBA world over, "Home" is much more important then "Home away from home".
The saddest part about all this is that Lebrons legacy is not about winning. Its not about losing. Its not about stats. Its not about titles. Its not even about being an all time great.
Its about his mentality.
And that part his character has been ravaged by many people far and wide.
Cause when the going gets tough, Lebron gets............ the fuck outta there?
Lebrons only chance at redemption is us seeing a Lebron we have never seen before.
And im not sure that will ever happen.
But one thing is for certain, 1 title in Cleveland will mean more then any other title in NBA history in my eyes.
Goodluck Cleveland!
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What would his legacy be if he never wins one title for north east ohio?
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If he fails with the Cavs, he can petition the NCAA, regain college eligibility , and lead the Akron Zips to a National Championdhip.
He should major in journalism and pay that same SI writer to do his homework.
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After seeing that picture, I am no longer a Nike fan...go Team Addidas!Cleveland's hottest new couple....
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Serious question....
His letter was all about bringing a championship to Ohio.
IF, he wins one in the next 2 years, couldn't he leave in good standing?
His letter was all about bringing a championship to Ohio.
IF, he wins one in the next 2 years, couldn't he leave in good standing?
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If he never wins one as a Cav, I'm sure there will be many Cav fans bitter about him winning two in Miami and none in Cleveland. Nevertheless, he'll still be considered one of the greatest players. There are a lot of guys who didn't win one for their hometown/home region.
If he does somehow overcome the Cleveland Sports Curse, then he goes way up in the legacy ladder. It might put him in the top 5 all time.
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No way. He even stated that his move back is more than about basketball and winning titles. If he leaves again, Ohio will hate him twice as much as the first time he broke their heart.
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When he retires, theres no doubt he'll be ranked somewhere in everyone's top all time players.
Since the reasoning for the list is subjective, there is no right or wrong.
But, if he doesn't win in Cleveland, and soon, it is a huge strike against him.
He bolted a team who he never missed playing in the Finals with, to what he is perceiving is a better roster.
Almost any and every player wants to play with him....he can basically hand pick top FA, and then fill the roster with veteran players to compliment his game.
He'll have that blend of youth and veterans which was never obtainable in Miami.
He's starting this process when it's never been easier to make the Finals in the EC.
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He never moved away. He just had another house in Miami.
He has always remained very active in the community.
If he wins a championship there, he will have delivered on the goals in his letter ( marketing campaign).
At that point, he and Nike can sit down and create a new strategy.
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