The Philadelphia Flyers 2024-2025 Season: Progressing Towards Lord Stanley's Cup

[lasgop8]

Great game last night!! Almost everyone played well!

The magician with 2 more points keeps rolling along.

TK with 2 goals keeps rolling along.

Morgan Frost increasing his value with a goal and assist.

Seeler with an assist, 3 blocked shots and a plus 3 while sending a message to not take runs at our players!!

Drysdale with an assist and a plus 3.

Tippett with a rocket shot of a goal.

Brink, Cates, Farabee, Foerester and York all with points is always nice to see especially Cates with his slam dunk goal.

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Great game last night!! Almost everyone played well!

The magician with 2 more points keeps rolling along.

TK with 2 goals keeps rolling along.

Morgan Frost increasing his value with a goal and assist.

Seeler with an assist, 3 blocked shots and a plus 3 while sending a message to not take runs at our players!!

Drysdale with an assist and a plus 3.

Tippett with a rocket shot of a goal.

Brink, Cates, Farabee, Foerester and York all with points is always nice to see especially Cates with his slam dunk goal.

Seeler is a freaking rock! Dude could definitely wear the C on this team.

 

[lasgop8]

Seeler is a freaking rock! Dude could definitely wear the C on this team.

Seeler being only 5 points behind the guy who actually wears the C in 4 less games is pretty embarrassing.

 

[lasgop8]

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[Sparhawk]

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Also a penalty minute leader!!!

 

[Chris p Bacon]

Also a penalty minute leader!!!

He's definitely involved. He's not backing down, which is great he needs to show he won't be bullied and so far so good.

 

[lasgop8]

Also a penalty minute leader!!!

Im not sure if you guys noticed but Emil Andrae is number 20 on the list and climbing!!

 

[lasgop8]

He's definitely involved. He's not backing down, which is great he needs to show he won't be bullied and so far so good.

And he is multitalented as he signs autographs on his way out after his DQ.

 

[purdue81]

Hard to fathom that the Flyers are in a wild card spot with 6 regulation wins in 29 games.

 

[Sparhawk]

7G and 13A in 18 games for his juniors club so far.

 

[lasgop8]

Hard to fathom that the Flyers are in a wild card spot with 6 regulation wins in 29 games.

Survive and advance!!

 

[lasgop8]

7G and 13A in 18 games for his juniors club so far.

And he is very responsible on the defensive side of the game which is why he lasted on the Torts coached team for so long.

 

[lasgop8]

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Sanheim 21 and climbing while playing monstrous minutes for us on a daily basis.

 

[Maverick426h]

Perhaps. The lottery odds have certainly changed the game. But that blueprint is still very present in the league. I bet you would've gotten pretty strong odds on COL or FLA or EDM to win the cup at the start of the year.

COL
MacKinnon - 1st
Makar - 4th
Rantanen - 10th

FLA
Tkachuk - 6th
Barkov - 2nd
Ekblad - 1st

EDM
McDavid - 1st
Draisatl - 3rd
Bouchard - 10th

Toronto obviously has their demons but I bet adding them would've increased your odds a good bit and Rielly, Matthews, Marner, and Nylander were all top 8 picks.

Picking outside the top 5 doesn't kill you, but you gotta hit home runs down the line. And TK was pretty damn close to a home run at 24, but even he probably isn't the centerpiece of a cup team. It's early in Danny's tenure of course so it could change, but the Flyers scouting department hasn't exactly showered themselves in glory the past 10-15 years and a lot of those guys are still in place.

First off, Edmonton hasn't won shit yet....Lol

Colorado and Florida have the blueprint, sure, but that began 10+ years ago. It's a different Nhl now, and if anything, what you're pointing out proves that this "rebuild" doesn't happen overnight. It takes a lot of years, with a lot of successful drafts and trades too. Florida didn't draft Tkachuk, they traded for him and won big. Florida also traded for Reinhart and Bennett, two other huge pieces that were also top 5 overall picks originally.

If you don't draft top 10, you can certainly trade into it, or trade for a player that was taken there and not properly cultivated.

Even these teams you mentioned have only just recently gotten their one Stanley Cup. They sure as hell aren't dynasties yet and a lot of their star players are already nearly into their 30's.

Is Michkov considered a home run yet? He was taken 7th overall, not top 5. Kid is only 20 years old, but is somehow at a point per game pace. Konecny was taken 24th overall. A home run or not? Everyone thought he was average probably just a few seasons ago and now he's automatic for 30-40 goals and a point per game. Sanheim (17th overall) would've been given away for a bag of pucks by half of us a couple seasons ago. Now he is our best defenseman and what, 4th in the Nhl in time on ice? Perspectives change a lot over time.

 

[Maverick426h]

Tons of ways to screw up top 10 picks still! Not saying picking up there is a guarantee. Just saying most of the contenders the past 10+ years built their cores with picks in the top 10. Florida, Edmonton, Tampa, Pittsburgh, Chicago did.

San Jose, Dallas, and LA were/are built a little differently but still had some high picks in Couture, Hertl, Heiskanen, Doughty, and Kopitar. Caps kinda fall in this bucket too with OV and Backstrom. Maybe Michkov is enough.

Really Boston would be the one true exception to that. Marchand, Bergeron, Pastrnak, McAvoy were all > #10. Chara was a UFA. So there's a way it can work. But you gotta hit on those picks and hitch your wagon to the right free agents.

What about 2023 Vegas!? I understand that they are an expansion team, but they won their Cup with only 2 high draft picks (Eichel and Pietrangelo). Neither one of them was drafted or even taken in the expansion draft by Vegas. Eichel was traded for and Pietrangelo was signed as a free agent.

Eichel was taken 2nd overall, but traded for.
Marchessault was undrafted.
Stone was taken 178th overall.
Stephenson was taken 77th overall.
Barbashev was taken 33rd overall.
Karlsson was taken 53rd overall.
Smith was taken 69th overall.
Theodore was taken 26th overall.

These were many of their top players during that Cup run.

Just because they don't fit your narrative doesn't mean we shouldn't mention them. They won a Cup with different players and clearly did not need top 5, top 10 or even 1st round talent to win it all.

 

[awaz]

What about 2023 Vegas!? I understand that they are an expansion team, but they won their Cup with only 2 high draft picks (Eichel and Pietrangelo). Neither one of them was drafted or even taken in the expansion draft by Vegas. Eichel was traded for and Pietrangelo was signed as a free agent.

Eichel was taken 2nd overall, but traded for.
Marchessault was undrafted.
Stone was taken 178th overall.
Stephenson was taken 77th overall.
Barbashev was taken 33rd overall.
Karlsson was taken 53rd overall.
Smith was taken 69th overall.
Theodore was taken 26th overall.

These were many of their top players during that Cup run.

Just because they don't fit your narrative doesn't mean we shouldn't mention them. They won a Cup with different players and clearly did not need top 5, top 10 or even 1st round talent to win it all.

They don't fit anyone's narrative. The Flyers literally can't replicate what Vegas did. No team can. Just look at the deals they made related to the expansion draft: A look back at the Golden Knights’ expansion draft. No team in the NHL can do that without an expansion draft. Heck, Seattle couldn't do it with an expansion draft because Vegas fleeced so many teams and they learned from it.

They executed brilliantly, don't get me wrong. But the expansion draft is a complete game changer. And that's a scenario Briere cannot conjure up even if he was all the best GMs in NHL history combined into one.

 

[awaz]

First off, Edmonton hasn't won shit yet....Lol

Colorado and Florida have the blueprint, sure, but that began 10+ years ago. It's a different Nhl now, and if anything, what you're pointing out proves that this "rebuild" doesn't happen overnight. It takes a lot of years, with a lot of successful drafts and trades too. Florida didn't draft Tkachuk, they traded for him and won big. Florida also traded for Reinhart and Bennett, two other huge pieces that were also top 5 overall picks originally.

If you don't draft top 10, you can certainly trade into it, or trade for a player that was taken there and not properly cultivated.

Even these teams you mentioned have only just recently gotten their one Stanley Cup. They sure as hell aren't dynasties yet and a lot of their star players are already nearly into their 30's.

Is Michkov considered a home run yet? He was taken 7th overall, not top 5. Kid is only 20 years old, but is somehow at a point per game pace. Konecny was taken 24th overall. A home run or not? Everyone thought he was average probably just a few seasons ago and now he's automatic for 30-40 goals and a point per game. Sanheim (17th overall) would've been given away for a bag of pucks by half of us a couple seasons ago. Now he is our best defenseman and what, 4th in the Nhl in time on ice? Perspectives change a lot over time.

Edmonton hasn't, but would you put your money on them winning one soon or never winning one with that core?

And I think keeping it recent helps your argument if anything. If you'd rather go back a little bit to include more cup wins, I'm happy to. We're looking at the Pittsburgh and Chicago dynasty level teams that were definitely built by tanking.

In my other post I pointed out there are a few contenders sprinkled in there built a little differently. LA, Dallas, San Jose, and Boston. Dallas and San Jose haven't won anything. But the LA and Boston blueprint could be followed. Michkov being the star and you draft well with your > top 5/10 picks, make some good trades, add the right high end free agent(s) and you're in business.

Over the past 20 years though, the majority of cups have gone to teams littered with high end draft picks, most of which were selected by team they won with. And in the next 3-5 years, I expect that trend will continue with the Oilers and Avs in particular. Doesn't make it a bullet proof plan or the only plan. Just seems to be the most likely way to win a cup lately.

 

[lasgop8]

Edmonton hasn't, but would you put your money on them winning one soon or never winning one with that core?

And I think keeping it recent helps your argument if anything. If you'd rather go back a little bit to include more cup wins, I'm happy to. We're looking at the Pittsburgh and Chicago dynasty level teams that were definitely built by tanking.

In my other post I pointed out there are a few contenders sprinkled in there built a little differently. LA, Dallas, San Jose, and Boston. Dallas and San Jose haven't won anything. But the LA and Boston blueprint could be followed. Michkov being the star and you draft well with your > top 5/10 picks, make some good trades, add the right high end free agent(s) and you're in business.

Over the past 20 years though, the majority of cups have gone to teams littered with high end draft picks, most of which were selected by team they won with. And in the next 3-5 years, I expect that trend will continue with the Oilers and Avs in particular. Doesn't make it a bullet proof plan or the only plan. Just seems to be the most likely way to win a cup lately.

Our problem is in the past we haven't drafted well nor traded well nor signed good free agents.

In Danny B we trust!!

 

[awaz]

Our problem is in the past we haven't drafted well nor traded well nor signed good free agents.

In Danny B we trust!!

Can't argue with that on the whole. They've had some relatively good picks for their slots (Sanheim, TK, Michkov), but their record outside of the 1st round is abysmal. And they're certainly not batting 1.000 in the 1st round either.

Let's go DB!

 

[lasgop8]

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