The '20-'21 White Sox offseason

[Lake Shore Drive]

Well written article by the guy who runs Sox Machine. The analysis he provides kinda sums up Rodón as a starter-or-bust member of the pitching staff. Can't say I'm encouraged by this signing, even if the article had offered a completely positive outlook.

Carlos Rodón needs to be available to represent rotation depth

Because the White Sox non-tendered Carlos Rodón in November before bringing him back into the organization on Saturday, this...

www.soxmachine.com

 

[Mingo]

Well written article by the guy who runs Sox Machine. The analysis he provides kinda sums up Rodón as a starter-or-bust member of the pitching staff. Can't say I'm encouraged by this signing, even if the article had offered a completely positive outlook.

Carlos Rodón needs to be available to represent rotation depth

Because the White Sox non-tendered Carlos Rodón in November before bringing him back into the organization on Saturday, this...

www.soxmachine.com

Hey - Rodon pitched well for 2 months once a few years ago - that's worth $3 mil - right?

This is a what the hell signing - why not - certainly there are no expectations now.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

Wouldn't this be nice?

Opportunity Arises for the White Sox Following Nolan Arenado Trade

The White Sox should check in on Charlie Blackmon if the Rockies plan to enter a complete rebuild after trading Nolan Arenado to the Cardinals.

ontapsportsnet.com

Nothing more than wishful thinking on the writer's part, but it's a sensible request. Don't think it would take all that much in terms of prospects to land Blackmon. As always with Colorado hitters, Blackmon's career numbers are naturally much better at Coors than on the road. Yet he's still no slouch there either and as it presently stands, he would undoubtedly make for a better DH than anyone we currently have on the roster.

 

[Jiddy]

Wouldn't this be nice?

Opportunity Arises for the White Sox Following Nolan Arenado Trade

The White Sox should check in on Charlie Blackmon if the Rockies plan to enter a complete rebuild after trading Nolan Arenado to the Cardinals.

ontapsportsnet.com

Nothing more than wishful thinking on the writer's part, but it's a sensible request. Don't think it would take all that much in terms of prospects to land Blackmon. As always with Colorado hitters, Blackmon's career numbers are naturally much better at Coors than on the road. Yet he's still no slouch there either and as it presently stands, he would undoubtedly make for a better DH than anyone we currently have on the roster.

Twins re-signed your boy for 13 mill I saw.

 

[Mingo]

Twins re-signed your boy for 13 mill I saw.

That's a lucky number

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

Twins re-signed your boy for 13 mill I saw.

I had said all along that the Twins would likely re-sign Cruz. I think it was cemented when the union rejected the owners' latest proposal, as it now looks like the NL won't be using the DH. I'm pretty sure that was the main reason Cruz was holding off. The Twins are quietly but steadily building back their roster and if they end up signing back Odorizzi, I'm guessing they'll be listed as co-favorites to win the division. The Sox had their opportunities to step on the Twins throats this offseason and they've pretty much blown it.

 

[Jiddy]

I had said all along that the Twins would likely re-sign Cruz. I think it was cemented when the union rejected the owners' latest proposal, as it now looks like the NL won't be using the DH. I'm pretty sure that was the main reason Cruz was holding off. The Twins are quietly but steadily building back their roster and if they end up signing back Odorizzi, I'm guessing they'll be listed as co-favorites to win the division. The Sox had their opportunities to step on the Twins throats this offseason and they've pretty much blown it.

LSD accusing Sox brass of hubris through non-activity regarding a 40 year old baseball player?

I might be able to cut the Sox some slack on this one.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

LSD accusing Sox brass of hubris through non-activity regarding a 40 year old baseball player?

I might be able to cut the Sox some slack on this one.

Uhhh, not sure where you're going with this, but I trust you're not saying that I was counting on the Sox to sign Cruz. Because you'd have to search thru a 1000+ posts of mine to see where I was counting on such. What I did hope for was that the DH would be available to the NL so that Cruz might possibly sign with one of those teams just to get him out of the Central, so that he would no longer be a Sox killer. But again, you'll have to search those same 1000+ posts to see where I expected this to happen.

And I'm not cutting the Sox slack on jack shit. They've had every opportunity to sign or trade for players who would help cement a stranglehold on the Central, and that's regardless as to whether or not the Twins re-signed Cruz. And I'm not talking pie-in-the-sky dreams of such players as Springer or Bauer. I signed off on any possibilities for either of those signings long before anyone else here on this board. But there have been and still are plenty of mid-level players out there for the taking and for whatever reasons, the brass have refused to pull the trigger.

 

[Jiddy]

Uhhh, not sure where you're going with this, but I trust you're not saying that I was counting on the Sox to sign Cruz. Because you'd have to search thru a 1000+ posts of mine to see where I was counting on such. What I did hope for was that the DH would be available to the NL so that Cruz might possibly sign with one of those teams just to get him out of the Central, so that he would no longer be a Sox killer. But again, you'll have to search those same 1000+ posts to see where I expected this to happen.

And I'm not cutting the Sox slack on jack shit. They've had every opportunity to sign or trade for players who would help cement a stranglehold on the Central, and that's regardless as to whether or not the Twins re-signed Cruz. And I'm not talking pie-in-the-sky dreams of such players as Springer or Bauer. I signed off on any possibilities for either of those signings long before anyone else here on this board. But there have been and still are plenty of mid-level players out there for the taking and for whatever reasons, the brass have refused to pull the trigger.

Which players would have allowed us to put a stranglehold on the Central? I mean...In the end the Twins are a good team...Joc Pederson thing was weird, but I doubt he puts us into "Twins can't touch us" territory. What am I missing? I mean...I was a proponent of picking up one more pitcher -Kluber in particular-to solidify our rotation...but that wasn't going to guarantee the Twins don't beat us...I don't think anything can...They're a 90 win team.

I read your last post as we should have signed Cruz to stick it to the Twins and basically bury them. If Cruz is not driving that sentiment? Then losing out on who so far has ended that possibility for you?

 

[Mingo]

Subtracting Cruz from the Twins and adding him to the Sox for one year at $13 million makes sense to me as a good way to get a step up on the division rival.

I think @idseer was correct - Vaughn will come in as soon as the Sox can cheat him out of a season of control and DH and play some 1st base. What we don't know about Vaughn as fans (or what I don't know) is how well Vaughn did in Schaumburg last year against some top talent. It may be that he showed enough to punch a ticket to the majors. If that's the case I would rather get Vaughn worked into the Sox rather than put it off a year for Nelson Cruz at 40.

It looks like the Sox are going to challenge Collins to prove he can play in the majors this season as well.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

Which players would have allowed us to put a stranglehold on the Central? I mean...In the end the Twins are a good team...Joc Pederson thing was weird, but I doubt he puts us into "Twins can't touch us" territory. What am I missing? I mean...I was a proponent of picking up one more pitcher -Kluber in particular-to solidify our rotation...but that wasn't going to guarantee the Twins don't beat us...I don't think anything can...They're a 90 win team.

I read your last post as we should have signed Cruz to stick it to the Twins and basically bury them. If Cruz is not driving that sentiment? Then losing out on who so far has ended that possibility for you?

First and foremost we blew it by not signing Rosario. The Whatevers got him for a one year deal at $8mil.....that's the same cost for whom we signed Adam Eaton. Rosario would have easily served as a one year rental at the DH spot and occasionally filling in at LF or RF. Look at his track record the past 4 or 5 years. The man produces. He would have instantly given the DH spot relevancy, something which has lacked for years on the Sox. It would have given Vaughn that extra season of minor league ball to gain valuable experience. It's not that I think Vaughn isn't capable - he's my #1 untouchable for a reason. But I would have preferred he gets that much needed experience. Pitching.....the pitchers still out there or who we theoretically could have acquired via trade to really strengthen our rotation by giving us a 4th proven starter. And who do we sign? Rodon!!

Now as for me saying we should sign Cruz away from the Twins, I think that falls under a Capt Obvious wish. What Sox fan in his right mind WOULDN'T want a Nelson Cruz hitting for the Good Guys? Good grief!! But wishful thinking and expectations are two completely different animals. I never expected the Sox to ink Cruz, while OTOH I must have stated on at least 3 or 4 occasions that I felt when it was all said and done, he'd re-sign with the Twins.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

Subtracting Cruz from the Twins and adding him to the Sox for one year at $13 million makes sense to me as a good way to get a step up on the division rival.

I think @idseer was correct - Vaughn will come in as soon as the Sox can cheat him out of a season of control and DH and play some 1st base. What we don't know about Vaughn as fans (or what I don't know) is how well Vaughn did in Schaumburg last year against some top talent. It may be that he showed enough to punch a ticket to the majors. If that's the case I would rather get Vaughn worked into the Sox rather than put it off a year for Nelson Cruz at 40.

It looks like the Sox are going to challenge Collins to prove he can play in the majors this season as well.

I agree with just about all of this, altho I'm still reluctant to see Vaughn start his major league career with so little pro experience. But perhaps that cheating him a year out of a season of control is the single biggest factor to all this - especially with the upcoming collective bargaining agreement wars that will commence as soon as this season comes to an end. It's pretty obvious that the service issue will be one of the union's biggest fighting points (amongst many) and to be honest, I couldn't agree more.

As to Collins, I think you're right. This is perhaps his last chance to prove he belongs on the 26 man roster. I would have preferred the Sox sign a veteran backup, and perhaps we still might. But as of right now, it does appear to be Collins' job to lose.

 

[idseer]

Subtracting Cruz from the Twins and adding him to the Sox for one year at $13 million makes sense to me as a good way to get a step up on the division rival.

I think @idseer was correct - Vaughn will come in as soon as the Sox can cheat him out of a season of control and DH and play some 1st base. What we don't know about Vaughn as fans (or what I don't know) is how well Vaughn did in Schaumburg last year against some top talent. It may be that he showed enough to punch a ticket to the majors. If that's the case I would rather get Vaughn worked into the Sox rather than put it off a year for Nelson Cruz at 40.

It looks like the Sox are going to challenge Collins to prove he can play in the majors this season as well.

"I think @idseer was correct"

is there doubt out there? aren't it usually?

 

[idseer]

First and foremost we blew it by not signing Rosario. The Whatevers got him for a one year deal at $8mil.....that's the same cost for whom we signed Adam Eaton. Rosario would have easily served as a one year rental at the DH spot and occasionally filling in at LF or RF. Look at his track record the past 4 or 5 years. The man produces. He would have instantly given the DH spot relevancy, something which has lacked for years on the Sox. It would have given Vaughn that extra season of minor league ball to gain valuable experience. It's not that I think Vaughn isn't capable - he's my #1 untouchable for a reason. But I would have preferred he gets that much needed experience. Pitching.....the pitchers still out there or who we theoretically could have acquired via trade to really strengthen our rotation by giving us a 4th proven starter. And who do we sign? Rodon!!

Now as for me saying we should sign Cruz away from the Twins, I think that falls under a Capt Obvious wish. What Sox fan in his right mind WOULDN'T want a Nelson Cruz hitting for the Good Guys? Good grief!! But wishful thinking and expectations are two completely different animals. I never expected the Sox to ink Cruz, while OTOH I must have stated on at least 3 or 4 occasions that I felt when it was all said and done, he'd re-sign with the Twins.

i think you're making a lot of assumptions about rosario. maybe, AT THE TIME, he couldn't be had for nearly what he accepted. maybe eaton was a ""we'd better get him now or someone else will"" kinda deal. maybe rosario was an asshole to the sox. i'm not upset at all about rosario. i think eaton will do just fine.

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

i think you're making a lot of assumptions about rosario. maybe, AT THE TIME, he couldn't be had for nearly what he accepted. maybe eaton was a ""we'd better get him now or someone else will"" kinda deal. maybe rosario was an asshole to the sox. i'm not upset at all about rosario. i think eaton will do just fine.

Of course that's an assumption on my part and in fact, the Pederson issue is a perfect example. Had that story not surfaced about the Sox making a $10m offer, which the idiot rejected and eventually signed with the Cubs for just $7m, I would have considered that a lost opportunity. So we don't know the behind-the-scenes situations with all of these FAs or potential trades. All I can go on is who we have on the roster and who we don't.

BTW, I never said Rosario instead of Eaton. I was simply comparing the contract values. We could have had both. Eaton remains the primary RFer, whereas Rosario would have primarily served as DH.

 

[idseer]

Of course that's an assumption on my part and in fact, the Pederson issue is a perfect example. Had that story not surfaced about the Sox making a $10m offer, which the idiot rejected and eventually signed with the Cubs for just $7m, I would have considered that a lost opportunity. So we don't know the behind-the-scenes situations with all of these FAs or potential trades. All I can go on is who we have on the roster and who we don't.

BTW, I never said Rosario instead of Eaton. I was simply comparing the contract values. We could have had both. Eaton remains the primary RFer, whereas Rosario would have primarily served as DH.

then maybe you should stop bringing up eaton when discussing rosario?

 

[idseer]

I'm still reluctant to see Vaughn start his major league career with so little pro experience.

what do all these players (and many more in fact) have in common ?

Jim abbot

John olerud

Pete incaviglia

Al kaline

Rob ellis

Dave Winfield

Bob horner

Dave Roberts

Gil hodges

Wayne causey

Eddie yost

Clete boyer

Reno bertoia

Dick groat

Mel ott

George sisler

Ron Jackson

Harmon killebrew

Jerry kindall

Joey amalfitano



Even eddie gaedel!

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

then maybe you should stop bringing up eaton when discussing rosario?

Why? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China. I only compared the salaries, nothing more. You're trying to make something out of this after misinterpreting what I said.

 

[idseer]

Why? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China. I only compared the salaries, nothing more. You're trying to make something out of this after misinterpreting what I said.

why? because it's apples and oranges! salaries is no way to compare baseball players

 

[Lake Shore Drive]

what do all these players (and many more in fact) have in common ?

Jim abbot

John olerud

Pete incaviglia

Al kaline

Rob ellis

Dave Winfield

Bob horner

Dave Roberts

Gil hodges

Wayne causey

Eddie yost

Clete boyer

Reno bertoia

Dick groat

Mel ott

George sisler

Ron Jackson

Harmon killebrew

Jerry kindall

Joey amalfitano



Even eddie gaedel!

I'm going to guess that all these players had little or no experience prior to joining their respective major league rosters. Did I guess correctly? BTW, you left out perhaps the most important player ever on this list. Robin Yount, who went straight from high school to the majors.

why? because it's apples and oranges! salaries is no way to compare baseball players

????????? Who said it is? I think you're still buried in the opinion that I was suggesting the Sox sign Rosario instead of Eaton when in fact I just pointed out that we could have had both. And to me, Rosario at the same salary as Eaton is a better bargain, altho of course that remains to be seen.