Should the Bears draft Bryce Young or CJ Stroud?

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

Odd that the Bears are thinking about getting rid what might be the only real playmakers on offense.

But if they get rid of JF hope he ends up with a better team than where he's at now.

Josh Allen. Oh man don't get me started! Been following his career since he was at Wyoming. I wanted my team to draft him # 3.

Quick what I consider a funny story. When I told some of my family & friends back home in NE Ohio I wanted the Browns to draft Allen most laughed at me and said he didn't play at a big enough program.

Here's my funny story, on draft night, I was at a bar, and before the pick, the crowd screamed for Josh Rosen, and were disappointed they went with the other Josh. I was thinking Allen is a perfect fit for Buffalo / Upstate NY.

The problem here is that fans and the media care too much about stats and wins/losses. What you really need to look at is (a) physical gifts, and (b) willing to learn, develop, and get along with their teammates.

Most teams would love to have Fields on their roster. Just imagine Fields if he actually had weapons, a functioning defense, and a quality offensive coordinator and QB coach. I feel the Bears Nation's pain. My Bills went 17 seasons without a playoff appearance and only 1 "winning" season.

 

[PDay8810]

Just imagine Fields if he actually had weapons, a functioning defense, and a quality offensive coordinator and QB coach.

Bingo...Washington!

But...a high percentage (LOL) of washington fans will tell it's not worth the risk based on Fields playing for the Bears. Besides, they have their guy, he beat Dallas.

 

[navamind]

Fields as the season went on:

Split	Value	G	W	L	T	Cmp	Att	Inc	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	A/G	Y/G	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	A/G	Y/G	TD	Pts	Fmb	FL	FF	FR	Yds	TD
Game Number	1-4	4	2	2	0	34	67	33	50.75	471	2	4	58.7	16	81	7.03	4.94	16.8	117.8	34	147	4.32	1	8.5	36.8	1	6	4	1	0	3	-19	0
	5-8	4	1	3	0	59	92	33	64.13	728	5	2	97.6	15	108	7.91	8.02	23.0	182.0	42	277	6.60	2	10.5	69.3	2	12	7	0	0	3	2	0
	9-12	3	0	3	0	43	69	26	62.32	443	6	2	97.7	9	49	6.42	6.86	23.0	147.7	46	410	8.91	4	15.3	136.7	4	24	2	0	0	1	1	0
	13+	4	0	4	0	56	90	34	62.22	600	4	3	82.6	15	121	6.67	6.06	22.5	150.0	38	309	8.13	1	9.5	77.3	1	6	3	1	0	1	-6	0

I think he deserves another season. Bears supporting cast is a joke.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Fields as the season went on:

Split	Value	G	W	L	T	Cmp	Att	Inc	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	A/G	Y/G	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	A/G	Y/G	TD	Pts	Fmb	FL	FF	FR	Yds	TD
Game Number	1-4	4	2	2	0	34	67	33	50.75	471	2	4	58.7	16	81	7.03	4.94	16.8	117.8	34	147	4.32	1	8.5	36.8	1	6	4	1	0	3	-19	0
	5-8	4	1	3	0	59	92	33	64.13	728	5	2	97.6	15	108	7.91	8.02	23.0	182.0	42	277	6.60	2	10.5	69.3	2	12	7	0	0	3	2	0
	9-12	3	0	3	0	43	69	26	62.32	443	6	2	97.7	9	49	6.42	6.86	23.0	147.7	46	410	8.91	4	15.3	136.7	4	24	2	0	0	1	1	0
	13+	4	0	4	0	56	90	34	62.22	600	4	3	82.6	15	121	6.67	6.06	22.5	150.0	38	309	8.13	1	9.5	77.3	1	6	3	1	0	1	-6	0

I think he deserves another season. Bears supporting cast is a joke.

No doubt his supporting cast is a joke. And earlier in the season he looked like he didn't even belong in the league. He obviously improved dramatically in the middle part of the season before falling off at the end if the numbers are accurate. But I'm hardly convinced he will ever be able to throw it well enough to be a franchise QB, there is zero chance Washington pays what it would take.

 

[Jiddy]

I mean...Trading Fields is a dumb as sh*t move imo...and I put it near 0% in terms of happening. But if there's a lowest common denominator argument for trading him, his W/L record as a starter is it.

 

[justanidiot]

Richardson is the biggest project in this draft, he needs to stay at Florida another year. Right now he is nothing more than a backup. He has Jordan Love written all over him.
As far as Levis, teams are hoping he is the next Josh Allen and unfortunately they will probably be disappointed. Allen had one of the best turnarounds in NFL history.

Yes, it is clear, Richardson is the biggest project, but Fields might be a better quarterback now if they let him watch and learn his entire first season. Nagy knew it, the same way he knew it in KC when Mahomes sat the first 16 games his rookie season.

 

[justanidiot]

How about acknowledging the overwhelming lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball?

Not JF's fault his o-line isn't good. How are the wr's, te's & rb's? Are any of them near pro bowl caliber? Before last years draft heard daBears were the only team in the league that didn't have a 1st rounder starting on the o-line.

Starting over with a rookie QB is taking a step backwards.

And don't take this the wrong way, got nothing against them and Soldier Field is on a very short list of stadiums I'd like to see a game at.

But JF isn't the main problem right now, like I already mentioned it's lack of talent.

and I will constantly bring up the chemistry between quarterbacks and receivers in this game. When you get a third rounder like Cooper Kupp turn into a pro bowl receiver because of chemistry he finds with his quarterback. There was never a plan for Fields to play his rookie year. When he played or practiced it was his his group of receivers that he found chemistry with who were all cut. Never got to throw to Allen Robinson until week 4. It was the biggest hit against his development when the bears had Foles to backup Dalton. Should not have even dressed. So when you see preseason chemistry, guys like Jamal Adams, Coulter, who did nothing but find holes in zones and catch the throws, you are setting the guy up for failure.
As far as the line went, he got more time than anybody to hold the ball. Braxton Jones was named to the all rookie team (ahead of any first rounders chosen). Cole Kmet was 5th in football of separation rate, yet he barely got the football. Its easy to blame the rest if you do not want to blame Fields.

He had talent his rookie year. He was not drafted higher because of his pocket presense and his ability to let go of the football.

 

[justanidiot]

How about acknowledging the overwhelming lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball?

Not JF's fault his o-line isn't good. How are the wr's, te's & rb's? Are any of them near pro bowl caliber? Before last years draft heard daBears were the only team in the league that didn't have a 1st rounder starting on the o-line.

Starting over with a rookie QB is taking a step backwards.

And don't take this the wrong way, got nothing against them and Soldier Field is on a very short list of stadiums I'd like to see a game at.

But JF isn't the main problem right now, like I already mentioned it's lack of talent.

yes , starting over with a rookie is a step backwards, but bringing in an actual QB and actually force him to compete for the starting job might not be. You take the QB #1 and you have no choice but to start him and start the same scenario all over again. You commit to red shirting him and you might end up with something. If you want to pick later and develop, then you take a guy like Richardson later so he is ready in 2 years when you have to decide on the fifth year option with fields.

 

[eaglesnut]

You lost me when you called Fields trash. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

That's what you call the discarded. If the Bears don't want him after two years of trying to develop him, why should someone else? Are you also interested in Josh Rosen? Say what you want about Murray, the Cardinals made out there. The dolphins didn't know it was trash, but they should have.

 

[Wamu]

Here's my funny story, on draft night, I was at a bar, and before the pick, the crowd screamed for Josh Rosen, and were disappointed they went with the other Josh. I was thinking Allen is a perfect fit for Buffalo / Upstate NY.

The problem here is that fans and the media care too much about stats and wins/losses. What you really need to look at is (a) physical gifts, and (b) willing to learn, develop, and get along with their teammates.

Most teams would love to have Fields on their roster. Just imagine Fields if he actually had weapons, a functioning defense, and a quality offensive coordinator and QB coach. I feel the Bears Nation's pain. My Bills went 17 seasons without a playoff appearance and only 1 "winning" season.

Been kind of a Bills fan for decades, I liked Ralph Wilson. Some day I'd love to go to a game. Then go to the Anchor Bar & Grill for wings then over to Niagara Falls.

 

[ducky]

Fields as the season went on:

Split	Value	G	W	L	T	Cmp	Att	Inc	Cmp%	Yds	TD	Int	Rate	Sk	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	A/G	Y/G	Att	Yds	Y/A	TD	A/G	Y/G	TD	Pts	Fmb	FL	FF	FR	Yds	TD
Game Number	1-4	4	2	2	0	34	67	33	50.75	471	2	4	58.7	16	81	7.03	4.94	16.8	117.8	34	147	4.32	1	8.5	36.8	1	6	4	1	0	3	-19	0
	5-8	4	1	3	0	59	92	33	64.13	728	5	2	97.6	15	108	7.91	8.02	23.0	182.0	42	277	6.60	2	10.5	69.3	2	12	7	0	0	3	2	0
	9-12	3	0	3	0	43	69	26	62.32	443	6	2	97.7	9	49	6.42	6.86	23.0	147.7	46	410	8.91	4	15.3	136.7	4	24	2	0	0	1	1	0
	13+	4	0	4	0	56	90	34	62.22	600	4	3	82.6	15	121	6.67	6.06	22.5	150.0	38	309	8.13	1	9.5	77.3	1	6	3	1	0	1	-6	0

I think he deserves another season. Bears supporting cast is a joke.

Posting that Fields only passed for 150 yards passing a game isnt quite the flex that you think it is.

For Fields to improve to the point where he is passing at a league average clip is a GIGANTIC jump. To get Fields to a league average passing in terms of total yards, he would have to jump 50% over what he did this last season.

To give you an idea of how big of a jump that is, if Pat Mahomes improved by 50% like Fields has to do, Mahomes would be passing for 7500 yards next season.

The simple fact of the matter is that it is really unlikely that Fields will ever be even an average passer in this league. His legs might make up for some of it.....but do you really want a poor man's Lamar Jackson moving forward?!?

The Bears will likely have to replace Fields at some point in the near future. They likely will have to draft a QB early at some point in the near future. Fields likely will never have more value than he has right now. The Bears arent likely to be in a position to take a top QB in the draft as they are right now.

You add it all up and this is likely the year to make the decision to move on from Fields. The Bears GM would really have to not like Young/Stroud to continue with Fields.

 

[Wamu]

and I will constantly bring up the chemistry between quarterbacks and receivers in this game. When you get a third rounder like Cooper Kupp turn into a pro bowl receiver because of chemistry he finds with his quarterback. There was never a plan for Fields to play his rookie year. When he played or practiced it was his his group of receivers that he found chemistry with who were all cut. Never got to throw to Allen Robinson until week 4. It was the biggest hit against his development when the bears had Foles to backup Dalton. Should not have even dressed. So when you see preseason chemistry, guys like Jamal Adams, Coulter, who did nothing but find holes in zones and catch the throws, you are setting the guy up for failure.
As far as the line went, he got more time than anybody to hold the ball. Braxton Jones was named to the all rookie team (ahead of any first rounders chosen). Cole Kmet was 5th in football of separation rate, yet he barely got the football. Its easy to blame the rest if you do not want to blame Fields.

He had talent his rookie year. He was not drafted higher because of his pocket presense and his ability to let go of the football.

One thing you said stopped me in my tracks- "he got more time than anybody to hold the ball"

That statement sounds like you're saying the Bears have a solid o-line. Maybe that's not what you meant but that's how I took it.

I could understand getting rid of JF and starting all over if B. Young was being called a can't-miss # 1 pick. But I have yet to see anyone say that.

 

[NCChiFan]

Stroud is undoubtedly a better passer than Fields. Not near the athlete but almost no one is at the qb position

And Stroud would be pummeled by the Bears porous O line. Not sure they can fix it all in one more season. Improvements through FA could fix an issue here or there, but it will take drafting a few kids which take time. Bears did get lucky with their new LT or RT if they pick up a LT F/A.

Bingo...Washington!

But...a high percentage (LOL) of washington fans will tell it's not worth the risk based on Fields playing for the Bears. Besides, they have their guy, he beat Dallas.

Really? Like Washington fans didn't get their fill of RG III ? They want another one?


Edit: And a definite NO to Young and his size... He needs to go to Denver and play for a coach who knows how to coach a short QB. Stroud or Levi possibly. But the answer remains Fields.

 

[Clayton]

And Stroud would be pummeled by the Bears porous O line. Not sure they can fix it all in one more season. Improvements through FA could fix an issue here or there, but it will take drafting a few kids which take time. Bears did get lucky with their new LT or RT if they pick up a LT F/A.

I feel like the 'not sure they can fix it all in one season' actually pushes the Bears away from Fields. There is no way he get more than one more season to prove himself. If the Bears stick with Fields (which I imagine they will) then they are likely going to expect to do what the Jags did and spend in FA, draft a bunch of guys, and try and make the playoffs.

 

[NCChiFan]

I feel like the 'not sure they can fix it all in one season' actually pushes the Bears away from Fields. There is no way he get more than one more season to prove himself. If the Bears stick with Fields (which I imagine they will) then they are likely going to expect to do what the Jags did and spend in FA, draft a bunch of guys, and try and make the playoffs.

Bears do not have a choice, they HAVE to spend cap. They have to buy players or pay existing players a fortune. There is a league team minimum to players, CAP wise and the Bears have the most cap space in the league by a fair margin.

And as folks pointed out above, while Stroud may be a better passer, he is not more mobile. IF they Bears cannot fix the O line, then Fields mobility may be a necessity, as well as his 6'3" 230lb frame. And don't get me started on svelt, short Bryce Young.

 

[PDay8810]

And Stroud would be pummeled by the Bears porous O line. Not sure they can fix it all in one more season. Improvements through FA could fix an issue here or there, but it will take drafting a few kids which take time. Bears did get lucky with their new LT or RT if they pick up a LT F/A.

Really? Like Washington fans didn't get their fill of RG III ? They want another one?


Edit: And a definite NO to Young and his size... He needs to go to Denver and play for a coach who knows how to coach a short QB. Stroud or Levi possibly. But the answer remains Fields.

Chicago fucked Fields while the rest of the league understood surround the QB with talent. You guys need another Bobby Douglas to build around.

A trade with Washington gets you the #10 or 11 pick, can't remember maybe a player too.
Draft Stroud at 1 and the wide receiver at Washington's pick.

 

[PDay8810]

Bears do not have a choice, they HAVE to spend cap. They have to buy players or pay existing players a fortune. There is a league team minimum to players, CAP wise and the Bears have the most cap space in the league by a fair margin.

And as folks pointed out above, while Stroud may be a better passer, he is not more mobile. IF they Bears cannot fix the O line, then Fields mobility may be a necessity, as well as his 6'3" 230lb frame. And don't get me started on svelt, short Bryce Young.

Chicago is a mess, it will take two offseasons for sure

 

[NCChiFan]

Chicago fucked Fields while the rest of the league understood surround the QB with talent. You guys need another Bobby Douglas to build around.

A trade with Washington gets you the #10 or 11 pick, can't remember maybe a player too.
Draft Stroud at 1 and the wide receiver at Washington's pick.

The old regime did, that drafted Fields. Bears fans understood, once Nagy et al where tossed, it was going to be a tear down rebuild of 3 years. Year 1 down, 2 to go. Offense wise, perhaps 5 what I would consider quality starters on the entire Offense. That will never work in this NFL.

Edit: 2 o linemen, 1 RB, 1 QB, 1 Wr will never get it done.

 

[deanpet21]

Chicago fucked Fields while the rest of the league understood surround the QB with talent. You guys need another Bobby Douglas to build around.

A trade with Washington gets you the #10 or 11 pick, can't remember maybe a player too.
Draft Stroud at 1 and the wide receiver at Washington's pick.

We pick #16. Looks like we are rolling with Howell. Rumors say Bears are interested in Payne.

 

[Clayton]

The old regime did, that drafted Fields. Bears fans understood, once Nagy et al where tossed, it was going to be a tear down rebuild of 3 years. Year 1 down, 2 to go. Offense wise, perhaps 5 what I would consider quality starters on the entire Offense. That will never work in this NFL.

Edit: 2 o linemen, 1 RB, 1 QB, 1 Wr will never get it done.

Ah, so Fields is Sam Bradford at this point. Just holding the clipboard until your team gets its rebuild going. It did work for the Rams...although they did have a motivation to rebuild (for LA) and tank (in STL).