Patriots 2019 Draft Thread

[Shoeshine Boy]

"I'm the baddest motherfucker on the planet"

 

[Southieinnc]

If Murray goes in the first round, it will NOT be the Patriots that select him. BB and Caserio as well as Josh will not put a 5'10" QB behind an offensive line that averages 6'4". Too much height to see over and throw over.

But he's 5'9" can't he throw under?????

 

[Shoeshine Boy]

BTW, OU's regular starting OL last year were all listed at 6-4 or 6-5

 

[YankeeRebel]

I think it's fair to worry about height, hand size NFL balls are bigger, pocket presence, how well he goes through his read and checkdowns, run first QBs tend to lack that skill. And I still question if he can make all or most of the NFL throws with smaller windows and faster play of the game

 

[Southieinnc]

Patriots, Cardinals, Redskins get 4 compensatory draft picks

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Sources: CB Sheffield tears pec at combine

If this injury drops him into the 6th I'd love to see the Pats take a shot at him. He's a naturally gifted athlete who would have time to learn in the NE D.

What's up with these Buckeyes blowing out pecs?

 

[BigKen]

Depending on who you watch or what you read, the 'experts' think that BB will go WR in the first round.

Lindy's --------J.J. Arcega Whiteside 6'4 226 Stanford
Pro Football Weekly------Kevin Harmon 6'3" 212 N. Carolina State

Personally, I thin BB trades the #32 and picks up first rounder in 2020 and a 4th or 5th this year. OR maybe he picks up another early second rounder like #36 fronm the Raiders or #42 from the Broncos. Depends on who drops from the first round that has caught the fancy of a team.

Montez Sweat was rated #4 on the edge before the combine and tyhen he ran an all time record 4.43 40 yard dash twice. He's now at the top of the Edge rushing heap.So is Nick Bosa still favored to be the first pick in the draft??

For the life of me, I can't see the Patriots using all 12 picks. But I could see BB trading the #32 and one 2nd round pick to move up to say #11 (Bengals) or evn #8 (Lons). If BB could pull off a deal with the Lions he could give John Elway a stroke and take Drew Lock and groom him to be Brady's backup and be ready to take over in 2021.

A lot of teams will sig Patriots free agents this year just to take away pieces of the Patriots jigsaw puzzle. BB is just strange enough to pick up the guys who will step in immediately or draft guys he can stash until next year.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what transpires from March 13 until April 30.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Depending on who you watch or what you read, the 'experts' think that BB will go WR in the first round.

Lindy's --------J.J. Arcega Whiteside 6'4 226 Stanford
Pro Football Weekly------Kevin Harmon 6'3" 212 N. Carolina State

Personally, I thin BB trades the #32 and picks up first rounder in 2020 and a 4th or 5th this year. OR maybe he picks up another early second rounder like #36 fronm the Raiders or #42 from the Broncos. Depends on who drops from the first round that has caught the fancy of a team.

Montez Sweat was rated #4 on the edge before the combine and tyhen he ran an all time record 4.43 40 yard dash twice. He's now at the top of the Edge rushing heap.So is Nick Bosa still favored to be the first pick in the draft??

For the life of me, I can't see the Patriots using all 12 picks. But I could see BB trading the #32 and one 2nd round pick to move up to say #11 (Bengals) or evn #8 (Lons). If BB could pull off a deal with the Lions he could give John Elway a stroke and take Drew Lock and groom him to be Brady's backup and be ready to take over in 2021.

A lot of teams will sig Patriots free agents this year just to take away pieces of the Patriots jigsaw puzzle. BB is just strange enough to pick up the guys who will step in immediately or draft guys he can stash until next year.

I'm really looking forward to seeing what transpires from March 13 until April 30.

So many options.
Such a loaded draft DT/DE/TE

 

[BigKen]

Patriots.com 3/4/2019

INDIANAPOLIS -- As Tom Brady marches toward his 42nd birthday coming off his sixth Super Bowl win, the reality is that the Patriots will need to start planning for the future of the quarterback position sooner rather than later.

Does that mean a high pick on a passer in this spring’s NFL Draft, a quarterback class led by top prospects Kyler Murray and Dwayne Haskins? If so, the highest New England would likely be in the market would be the end of the first round or the second round, a spot where second-tier guys like Missouri’s Drew Lock, Duke’s Daniel Jones and West Virginia’s Will Grier are expected to come off the board.

Grier in particular is an intriguing option after his Combine interview this week in which he discussed his history studying the Patriots offense in his role as not only a passer, but a part of the brain trust building out the game plans and offensive schemes for the Mountaineers.

“Honestly, Jake Spavital, my OC at West Virginia, watched a lot of Patriots film and built our offense off a lot of what they (do),” Grier said. “Obviously, different terminology, but we would see stuff and be like, ‘We’re going to do that.’ Tom Brady does all right. So, we watched a lot of Tom Brady film.”

Grier, who clearly has a pretty high football IQ to go along with his physical skills as a slightly undersized passer, then went into detail as to what West Virginia took from New England.

“In 2017, we were very wide-spread oriented, which is kind of what Spav brought to the game from other places he’s been. It’s different,” Grier explained. “A lot of what we did with the Patriots was we saw they were doing a lot of tighter split stuff, and they were getting free releases with guys, working isolations and different routes all the way across the field.

“You get a little bit more isolation when you bring guys tighter in. You don’t always get pressed up in that look. It’s been interesting to kind of watch how they get guys open underneath. A lot of guys in the Big 12 are in quarters, or they’re in cloud coverage, deep coverage. It’s hard to get guys open underneath, so we watched a lot of their film and kind of picked different things they were doing to get guys open underneath.”

While the Patriots brass has to be impressed with a quarterback who had so much say in his team’s weekly game plans and a history studying New England, Grier could only dream of getting the chance to play in the scheme he studied so much of.

“I don’t think you can really put into words thAT kind of opportunity,” Grier said of possibly backing up Brady. “The opportunity to learn from a guy like that would obviously be priceless.”

Grier, who is married with a young daughter, is slotted by some as a second-round prospect but in recent years similar guys have snuck into the first round as the process plays out. Regardless of where he comes off the board on draft weekend, he certainly won’t be lacking for swagger heading into his NFL career.

“I’m not totally sure where people have me. I’m a very confident. I feel like I’m the best quarterback in this draft,” Grier concluded. “I would have felt that way if I came out last year. I’m very confident in my abilities. It’s not just about my tape, which is really good, and I think it’s the best tape that there is. But it’s also everything else that goes into playing quarterback that I take pride in.”

That includes a history helping put game plans together and studying the Patriots in order to do so, an intellect that teams have asked about frequently this week in Indy.

“I knew our offense so well and was involved in game planning. There’s a lot of things that I was doing a little more advanced. They just wanted to pick my brain on that,” Grier said. “Spav (Spavital) and Dana (head coach Dana Holgorsen) were open and awesome with me, letting me be a part of it in game planning. We kind of built an offense. It’s not a traditional digit-system offense or a West coast offense. It’s kind of a blend of everything that worked for us. Teams wanted to learn what we were doing.”

 

[cheerupcharlie]

Lock and Jones will be long gone by the time the Patriots pick in round 1. Grier should be there. Don’t know if he’s worth a 1st round pick even if it’s at the end of the round.

 

[cdumler7]

Lock and Jones will be long gone by the time the Patriots pick in round 1. Grier should be there. Don’t know if he’s worth a 1st round pick even if it’s at the end of the round.

I was just about to say this. Jones maybe makes it deep enough where the Pats can make a move but Lock most likely doesn't make it out of the top-10.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I had Grier going to NE with their first 3rd round pick? Apparently his stock continues to climb.

BB has enough ammo to move up and get this kid anywhere. Just a matter of if BB feels he's the right fit.

 

[cdumler7]

I had Grier going to NE with their first 3rd round pick? Apparently his stock continues to climb.

BB has enough ammo to move up and get this kid anywhere. Just a matter of if BB feels he's the right fit.

I wouldn't take him before the 3rd round. The guy is about as inconsistent as they come. His accuracy is terrible and he plays a ton of hero ball when he doesn't have the arm to get away with it.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I wouldn't take him before the 3rd round. The guy is about as inconsistent as they come. His accuracy is terrible and he plays a ton of hero ball when he doesn't have the arm to get away with it.

Well I hope you're right on where he goes.
Not sure where you think he has an accuracy problem? That was one of the reason I liked him. Looks like a great fit for the NE offense.

Will Grier QB West Virginia - Draft Player Profile | The Draft Network

WalterFootball.com: 2019 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Will Grier

 

[cdumler7]

Well I hope you're right on where he goes.
Not sure where you think he has an accuracy problem? That was one of the reason I liked him. Looks like a great fit for the NE offense.

Will Grier QB West Virginia - Draft Player Profile | The Draft Network

WalterFootball.com: 2019 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Will Grier

I guess I would disagree with some of that assessment. He gets streaky is maybe a better word. the other issue I see is that he takes a ton of sacks as his work in manipulating the pocket is nothing special. Had a game this last year where he was sacked 7 times and that was against a not so great pass rushing team.

Personally he is one of my least favorite QB's in this draft.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I guess I would disagree with some of that assessment. He gets streaky is maybe a better word. the other issue I see is that he takes a ton of sacks as his work in manipulating the pocket is nothing special. Had a game this last year where he was sacked 7 times and that was against a not so great pass rushing team.

Personally he is one of my least favorite QB's in this draft.

I hope others think like you. Maybe he can slide down to NE 2nd pick in the 3rd round.

 

[cdumler7]

I hope others think like you. Maybe he can slide down to NE 2nd pick in the 3rd round.

I would be more than happy to see the Pats take him.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I would be more than happy to see the Pats take him.

We're finally on the same page

With 12 picks and a pretty solid team coming back I take him as a flyer.

 

[cdumler7]

We're finally on the same page

With 12 picks and a pretty solid team coming back I take him as a flyer.

He honestly does make a lot of sense for you guys and would have some time to develop. I just don't like his skill set with what I know the Broncos are planning to do on offense this year. I don't think it lines up well.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

He honestly does make a lot of sense for you guys and would have some time to develop. I just don't like his skill set with what I know the Broncos are planning to do on offense this year. I don't think it lines up well.

You're correct on other teams I don't like him so much. But on paper he looks like a good fit in NE.
I'm also weighing in 12 picks. If they only had four or five I might use that pick elsewhere.

But this is all for not. BB never does what anyone thinks and he sure as hell won't use all 12 picks.