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[Shanemansj13]

Bye bitch lmao

He isn't worth half that

 

[fightinfunbags]

He isn't worth half that

Yes he is. If he’s off it’s by only about 5 million per year. You either pay the QB or you move on. There’s 32 jobs and only about 7-8 guys are franchise guys and only about 4-5 others are guys their team hopes will be franchise guys. Look at Dak’s contract. Look at Rodgers contract. This is the going rate.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Test their limits, then negotiate down to keep your job. Giants don't want to start over at QB.

Yeah that's the only reason there is a dilemma here bc Daniel Jones at his best is nothing more than a game manager. Not paying a game manager $45+M a year. No way. He improved his TO's which is a big thing but he isn't a franchise QB.

76 TO's and 72 total TD's in his 4 years.

 

[shopson67]

He isn't worth half that

Gotta start negotiations somewhere, better not to undersell. At least he didn't aim for the very top (Rodgers is at $50M per average, Russ at $49M, Kyler and Deshaun at $46M, Mahomes at $45M).

 

[Shanemansj13]

Yes he is. If he’s off it’s by only about 5 million per year. You either pay the QB or you move on. There’s 32 jobs and only about 7-8 guys are franchise guys and only about 4-5 others are guys their team hopes will be franchise guys. Look at Dak’s contract. Look at Rodgers contract. This is the going rate.

I'm not paying Jones $40M/year. $30M fine but honestly I don't like him long-term so do you keep a guy for $40M that has an obvious ceiling or do you start over? I am not for starting over but maybe if you can grab Carr or Rodgers. I would rather have Rodgers short-term than Jones long-term. Carr would be the obvious choice. If you can't get either than you have a dilemma

 

[shopson67]

Yeah that's the only reason there is a dilemma here bc Daniel Jones at his best is nothing more than a game manager. Not paying a game manager $45+M a year. No way. He improved his TO's which is a big thing but he isn't a franchise QB.

76 TO's and 72 total TD's in his 4 years.

Only thing that should matter under the current regime is what he did last year though.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Gotta start negotiations somewhere, better not to undersell. At least he didn't aim for the very top (Rodgers is at $50M per average, Russ at $49M, Kyler and Deshaun at $46M, Mahomes at $45M).

Watson’s cap hit next year is $54 million. Browns cap is ridiculous. They have like 60% of their cap tied up in like 5-6 players.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I'm not paying Jones $40M/year. $30M fine but honestly I don't like him long-term so do you keep a guy for $40M that has an obvious ceiling or do you start over? I am not for starting over but maybe if you can grab Carr or Rodgers. I would rather have Rodgers short-term than Jones long-term. Carr would be the obvious choice. If you can't get either than you have a dilemma

What I’m saying is that you likely can’t sign him for 30 m because someone will pay him 40 million. It’s a seller’s market at QB. There is more demand than there are QBs. The dilemma you present is why Jones will likely sign for something close to this.

 

[shopson67]

I'm not paying Jones $40M/year. $30M fine but honestly I don't like him long-term so do you keep a guy for $40M that has an obvious ceiling or do you start over? I am not for starting over but maybe if you can grab Carr or Rodgers. I would rather have Rodgers short-term than Jones long-term

Rodgers is making $50M per. Carr will get $45M+ most likely. Carr had a bonafide #1 and still had a worse year than Jones in 2022, as did Rodgers really.

 

[Wamu]

Watson’s cap hit next year is $54 million. Browns cap is ridiculous. They have like 60% of their cap tied up in like 5-6 players.

I'm gonna puke. I didn't like the DW signing when it happen. And now I dislike it even more.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I'm gonna puke. I didn't like the DW signing when it happen. And now I dislike it even more.

It depends on who he is as a QB going forward. He’s gonna have to be tremendous to account for the impact on the roster from having a handful of players account for 60% of their cap.

 

[thunderc]

Watson’s cap hit next year is $54 million. Browns cap is ridiculous. They have like 60% of their cap tied up in like 5-6 players.

Yup no way to build a team

 

[Shanemansj13]

Watson’s cap hit next year is $54 million. Browns cap is ridiculous. They have like 60% of their cap tied up in like 5-6 players.

Yes they do have a lot tied up in 12 guys ($10M+ deals) but they also planned for this years before to pay a QB. Now, the other contracts are a different story. I hope they get full value out of Ward this year with Schwartz then flip him next year. They are paying a lot for their OL, the Conklin deal could backfire.

The plan from the start was to restructure Watson's contract. Kick it down the road the cap keeps going up. For example, they can gain $35M this year if they restructure his deal. SO the Browns are actually in good shape for the next couple years but eventually like any team they will have to make some moves for those other guys.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Rodgers is making $50M per. Carr will get $45M+ most likely. Carr had a bonafide #1 and still had a worse year than Jones in 2022, as did Rodgers really.

Carr is better than Daniel Jones. If they are making the same money, I will take Carr all day

 

[Shanemansj13]

This guy is a cap guru for the Browns. They can have up to $60M in cap space this season. They won't use it all, they will have a cap rollover which helps a lot with the big contracts. Then they restructure Watson's contract again in 2024. They will be fine but it's only worth it if they contend. IF Watson isn't a top tier QB this is all for nothing. I worry more about that then I do the Browns cap situation down the road.

 

[shopson67]

Carr is better than Daniel Jones. If they are making the same money, I will take Carr all day

2022
Carr: 15 g, 502 att, 60.8%, 3522 yards, 7.0 avg, 24 TD, 14 INT, 27 sacks (191 yards), 55.5 QBR, 86.3 rating (102 rushing, 0 TD)
Jones: 16 g, 472 att, 67.2%, 3205 yards, 6.8 avg, 15 TD, 5 INT, 44 sacks (243 yards), 60.8 QBR, 92.5 rating (708 rushing, 7 TD)

 

[Shanemansj13]

2022
Carr: 15 g, 502 att, 60.8%, 3522 yards, 7.0 avg, 24 TD, 14 INT, 27 sacks (191 yards), 55.5 QBR, 86.3 rating (102 rushing, 0 TD)
Jones: 16 g, 472 att, 67.2%, 3205 yards, 6.8 avg, 15 TD, 5 INT, 44 sacks (243 yards), 60.8 QBR, 92.5 rating (708 rushing, 7 TD)

Your sample size is one year? Sure, he had a better year last year but how about the previous 3. Carr was better and that isn't saying much bc I don't think Carr is a world beater.

The Giants fucked up declining his 5th year option. They would have one more season with him at $22M I believe. Daniel Jones isn't worth $45M/year on a long-term deal.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Your sample size is one year? Sure, he had a better year last year but how about the previous 3. Carr was better and that isn't saying much bc I don't think Carr is a world beater.

The Giants fucked up declining his 5th year option. They would have one more season with him at $22M I believe. Daniel Jones isn't worth $45M/year on a long-term deal.

Carr is also older. Additionally, how much of the Daniel Jones story is malpractice from a coaching perspective? It’s almost like last year was year 1 for him with a legitimate coach who has a track record.

 

[bksballer89]

 

[Shanemansj13]

Carr is also older. Additionally, how much of the Daniel Jones story is malpractice from a coaching perspective? It’s almost like last year was year 1 for him with a legitimate coach who has a track record.

Carr is 31. I wouldn't say that is old for a QB if we are talking about the next 3-4 years.
And yes that could be true but a lot of guys had coaching turnover, it goes hand in hand with an unsuccessful franchise. The main point is I don't think he is worth $45M and I do understand the QB salaries are crazy and inflated but I am not paying him $45M on a long-term deal.

The Giants put themselves in a corner. They didn't pick up his 5th year option and now they have no backup option. They could sign a FA QB but I think picking up his option gives you more flexibility. The Browns might be fucked if Watson isn't the guy they thought he was but they still made the right choice picking up Baker's option and not giving him a long-term deal. Baker had two years better than Jones' two best years.