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[shopson67]

Your sample size is one year? Sure, he had a better year last year but how about the previous 3. Carr was better and that isn't saying much bc I don't think Carr is a world beater.

The Giants fucked up declining his 5th year option. They would have one more season with him at $22M I believe. Daniel Jones isn't worth $45M/year on a long-term deal.

New regime and system. They declined that option way back in April before seeing him in their system, and the decision made sense at the time. He did enough to be brought back, and now they have to weigh their options. I doubt Carr or Rodgers are going to the Giants without an overpay (either via contract or trade value). Giants have $43M in cap space for 2023.

Median QBs will continue to be overpaid every year. Demand is greater than the supply. For the 2023 crop, Lamar is going to be $50M+. Carr has multiple suitors already. The others are Jones, Jimmy G, and Geno (who I doubt is going anywhere) before you hit the backup tier.

The below article projects Jones to get up to $35M per, virtually the same range as Carr.

NFL Mock Draft 2023: Raiders find Derek Carr's replacement; Bears stay at No. 1 and go defense

QBs fly off the board in the top 10, while edge rushers and cornerbacks are two of the top drafted positions

www.cbssports.com

 

[shopson67]

I'm sure that's not the issue McShay was referring to lol. McShay referred to locker room issues, likely had a source?

However, is that a violation of usage of scholarship money? Not sure how close they regulate that.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Carr is 31. I wouldn't say that is old for a QB if we are talking about the next 3-4 years.
And yes that could be true but a lot of guys had coaching turnover, it goes hand in hand with an unsuccessful franchise. The main point is I don't think he is worth $45M and I do understand the QB salaries are crazy and inflated but I am not paying him $45M on a long-term deal.

The Giants put themselves in a corner. They didn't pick up his 5th year option and now they have no backup option. They could sign a FA QB but I think picking up his option gives you more flexibility. The Browns might be fucked if Watson isn't the guy they thought he was but they still made the right choice picking up Baker's option and not giving him a long-term deal. Baker had two years better than Jones' two best years.

That’s fair. All I was saying is that everyone is laughing at his ask for 45 million. It’s really not that far off. I can understand why a person would be hesitant to commit to him long term. I’m glad I’m not the Giants and I don’t have to make the decision.

 

[shopson67]

That’s fair. All I was saying is that everyone is laughing at his ask for 45 million. It’s really not that far off. I can understand why a person would be hesitant to commit to him long term. I’m glad I’m not the Giants and I don’t have to make the decision.

Unless they're trading up in the draft, their other options aren't great. Carr and Geno have their risks too if even available to the Giants. After that, a bunch of backups. Just keep the guaranteed money down and the years within reason.

 

[Wamu]

It depends on who he is as a QB going forward. He’s gonna have to be tremendous to account for the impact on the roster from having a handful of players account for 60% of their cap.

He could be one of the best QB's in the NFL next season but he'd still be one of the worst people, if not the wrost, in the league.

 

[Wamu]

@Black Adam

Any truth to the rumor that Mahomes sent Tyreke Hill a sorry you missed the party card?

 

[Shanemansj13]

 

[The Q]

I don't even understand what happened

this sounds like a totally different story now

I recall an espn article saying it was in a parking lot and the other car shot first....now it seems like the location and other details are completely different

 

[shopson67]

I don't even understand what happened

this sounds like a totally different story now

I recall an espn article saying it was in a parking lot and the other car shot first....now it seems like the location and other details are completely different

Is Miles any relation to the former Clipper?

 

[dtgold88]

I'm gonna puke. I didn't like the DW signing when it happen. And now I dislike it even more.

what did you prefer they do at QB?

 

[Wamu]

what did you prefer they do at QB?

Well from that aspect alone it was a good move.

But he's a disgusting predator and I simply don't like him.

 

[shopson67]

what did you prefer they do at QB?

Draft Zappe, Howell or Purdy? Hindsight though, lol...and some projection that any of them can keep it going.

 

[dtgold88]

Draft Zappe, Howell or Purdy? Hindsight though, lol...and some projection that any of them can keep it going.

If I could use hindsight and undo the Watson deal and take any of those 3 I wouldn't.

 

[shopson67]

If I could use hindsight and undo the Watson deal and take any of those 3 I wouldn't.

Results would've been essentially the same with a lot more draft capital in your pocket to move forward (and a lot less pot-stirring).

 

[DJ Fieri]

2022
Carr: 15 g, 502 att, 60.8%, 3522 yards, 7.0 avg, 24 TD, 14 INT, 27 sacks (191 yards), 55.5 QBR, 86.3 rating (102 rushing, 0 TD)
Jones: 16 g, 472 att, 67.2%, 3205 yards, 6.8 avg, 15 TD, 5 INT, 44 sacks (243 yards), 60.8 QBR, 92.5 rating (708 rushing, 7 TD)

Carr averaged 191ypg? Nope, try again.

234.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Your sample size is one year? Sure, he had a better year last year but how about the previous 3. Carr was better and that isn't saying much bc I don't think Carr is a world beater.

The Giants fucked up declining his 5th year option. They would have one more season with him at $22M I believe. Daniel Jones isn't worth $45M/year on a long-term deal.

No doubt.

Saying you'd take Jones over Carr is pretty wild.

 

[The Q]

Your sample size is one year? Sure, he had a better year last year but how about the previous 3. Carr was better and that isn't saying much bc I don't think Carr is a world beater.

The Giants fucked up declining his 5th year option. They would have one more season with him at $22M I believe. Daniel Jones isn't worth $45M/year on a long-term deal.

He was awful. It made no sense to guarantee him that money

 

[Shanemansj13]

I don't even understand what happened

this sounds like a totally different story now

I recall an espn article saying it was in a parking lot and the other car shot first....now it seems like the location and other details are completely different

Yeah I am confused on the whole story, not that I have been paying much attention to it honestly. I just wonder how far police went with Miller until they said he wasn't a suspect. I mean all that sounds like he was there idk

 

[Shanemansj13]

He was awful. It made no sense to guarantee him that money

Yep. Even with the improvement this year he has more TO's than TD's. Now the Giants could be pretty screwed though. So you give Jones too much money imo or you just start over. It's fine if they can get Rodgers short-term, even Carr imo but now you go into starting a new QB, most likely a bridge QB. Either way imo they should not pay Jones.

 

[bksballer89]

Yeah I just read the espn article. Horrible comment