The Case Against MJ as the GOAT (topical discussion only please)

[dtgold88]

Who is the last player to be the mvp, finals mvp, first team all D, first team offense, lead the league in scoring, all star mvp in the same season? To each their own but MJ was given goat status by majority of people out there. He didn’t have to insert himself like LeBron does

Glad you could help prove the point the MJ lovers often go with opinions that cannot really be proven like your last 2 comments here. First part of post at least factual, but only one season and hardly proves he's the GOAT.

But maybe he is.

 

[dtgold88]

I would be astonished if another person on this small board read that book from 33 years ago.

Whether or not I buy into the gambling deal doesn't change the fact that it is what it is...A conspiracy.

You're the one that brought up the gambling. You got responded to in kind. *shrugs*

Whether or not it's fair or not in your opinion or whoever else's, I have zero doubt that the OP has any real interest in this topic other than to stoke flames or, at best, push content on this site. Nobody would start an honest, unbiased conversation with the commentary I specifically responded to.

I read it....good book. Read Barkley's "Outrageous" as well.

You get the OP says he can make a case MJ is the GOAT, right? Only DIShonest, biased commentary are those who think this should not be a debate at all.

 

[dtgold88]

Jordan did that 4 times, guess how many other times it’s been done in nba history? Zero

MJ did what 4 times? be all NBA first team, Finals MVP, ASG MVP, etc?

I'll give you a chance to walk it back if that's what you meant before being caught in yet another lie.

 

[dtgold88]

The funny part is with LeBron, Kareem, MJ etc, none of them called themselves the goat, none of them had to hype themselves and be an arrogant prick like LeBron does. None of them cried and flopped anywhere close to anything like LeBron does. None of them needed “load management”. They wanted to play every minute. They had a killer mentality in them on the court. They were feared. Lebron is literally not scaring anyone cause they laugh at him and how he has tantrums so damn much, hence a big reason ratings are down. Game is soft and full of whining and flopping.

wow is that a lot of baseless opinions and lies in just one rant.

 

[dtgold88]

lol

Thanks for proving my point.

It's really not healthy for you to be stuck in the anger phase of your grief process for so long.

Ninjad again.

 

[dtgold88]

What wasn’t true?

It's nearly all baseless opinion. Little to no facts.

 

[dtgold88]

Short career and 4 times. It’s more impressive to do that in a short span let alone the only one to ever do it. Come on, man. Also my bad, not all star mvp, winning a championship. Idk why I put all star mvp.

MJ did not win AS MVP 4X. Caught in yet another lie, Tommy.

Not sure why you feel the need to lie to support your MJ infatuation. He's pretty good without lying.

 

[dtgold88]

Short career and 4 times. It’s more impressive to do that in a short span let alone the only one to ever do it. Come on, man. Also my bad, not all star mvp, winning a championship. Idk why I put all star mvp.

Now you are trying to complain you meant to use 4 for the number of titles for MJ when he really had 6.

I guess props you at least owned this lie. Baby steps.

 

[dtgold88]

Oh, and this has to be said. This is the team Lebron led to a 66-16 Record in 2008-09 with freaking Mike Brown as HC.

No.	Player	Pos	Ht	Wt	Birth Date	Birth	Exp	College
1	Daniel Gibson	PG	6-2	190	February 27, 1986	us US	2	Texas
21	J.J. Hickson	C	6-9	242	September 4, 1988	us US	R	NC State
11	Zydrunas Ilgauskas	C	7-3	238	June 5, 1975	lt LT	10
00	Darnell Jackson	PF	6-9	253	November 7, 1985	us US	R	Kansas
23	LeBron James	SF	6-9	250	December 30, 1984	us US	5
24	Trey Johnson	SG	6-5	218	August 30, 1984	us US	R	Alcorn State, Jackson State University
8	Tarence Kinsey	SG	6-6	185	March 21, 1984	us US	2	South Carolina
3	Sasha Pavlović	SF	6-8	220	November 15, 1983	me ME	5
32	Joe Smith	C	6-10	225	July 26, 1975	us US	13	Maryland
10	Wally Szczerbiak	SF	6-7	244	March 5, 1977	es ES	9	Miami University
17	Anderson Varejão	PF	6-11	273	September 28, 1982	br BR	4
4	Ben Wallace	PF	6-9	240	September 10, 1974	us US	12	Cuyahoga Community College, Virginia Union University
13	Delonte West	SG	6-4	180	July 26, 1983	us US	4	Saint Joseph's
31	Jawad Williams	SF	6-9	218	February 19, 1983	us US	R	UNC
2	Mo Williams	PG	6-1	198	December 19, 1982	us US	5	Alabama
55	Lorenzen Wright	C	6-11	225	November 4, 1975

Can argue that or leading the 2007 team to Finals is most incredible accomplishment.

Not sure why you'd dis Brown as he's a solid coach. Hell, he got a team that team which started some middling to bad defenders to play elite defense.

 

[Wamu]

The guy said he can easily make a case MJ the GOAT.

I have MJ as the GOAT.

But LeBron isn't as far behind as the haters would ever admit.

And like I've tried telling those haters before, but they don't wanna hear it, for any player to only be compared to MJ is a helluva compliment.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

"Stepped back" to remain in spotlight?

as you also noticed… the “Jordan was unable to dedicate himself because of the death of his dad” falls apart due to the fact that he went straight to playing baseball