Michael Jordan is a fraud

[Manster7588]

That's a bad choice.

You won't like this.

LeBron (46%) has a higher clutch shooting percentage than Kobe (27%).

I typed in- who hit a better % of clutch shots LeBron or Kobe and that's the info that appeared.

Again Kobe wanted the ball, LeBron doesn't.

 

[Manster7588]

This is incorrect.

But I do agree that Kobe doesn't belong in the GOAT convo.

Wamu will agree with you.

 

[trojanfan12]

Again Kobe wanted the ball, LeBron doesn't.

lol

So, the guy who has made nearly 50% of clutch shots in his career..."doesn't want the ball".

You sure that's the logic you want to go with?

Tell me, when Kobe passed the ball to guys like Robert Horry, Derek Fisher and Ron Artest to take clutch shots...was that him "wanting the ball"? How about that game 7 when he was in the lane and could have shot a floater to ice the game, but threw a lob to Shaq for the dunk to ice it instead...did he "want the ball"?

Or how about when MJ passed up clutch shots and passed to John Paxson or Steve Kerr...did he "want the ball"?

 

[Wamu]

Again Kobe wanted the ball, LeBron doesn't.

Is that why LeBron has hit a much better percentage of clutch shots?

Your utter hatred has blinded you to what the numbers really say.

 

[trojanfan12]

Is that why LeBron has hit a much better percentage of clutch shots?

Your utter hatred has blinded you to what the numbers really say.

Yeah, I don't think anyone doubts that Kobe wanted the ball in clutch situations...of course he did.

But that doesn't mean Lebron doesn't want the ball...especially when he hits them at a significantly higher rate.

The twisted logic some folks use is just hilarious.

 

[Wamu]

Yeah, I don't think anyone doubts that Kobe wanted the ball in clutch situations...of course he did.

But that doesn't mean Lebron doesn't want the ball...especially when hitting them at a significantly higher rate.

Exactly. Not sure why anyone would wanna disagree with a head to head comparison.

 

[Black Adam]

Just eating popcorn. Don't mind me...

If y'all want some, I gotcha...

 

[Manster7588]

Is that why LeBron has hit a much better percentage of clutch shots?

Your utter hatred has blinded you to what the numbers really say.

You do understand Kobe took many more last second shots than LeBron.

Again Kobe wasn't going to shy away, while LeBron often slid away from that spotlight

 

[Beengay fudgepackers]

You do understand Kobe took many more last second shots than LeBron.

Again Kobe wasn't going to shy away, while LeBron often slid away from that spotlight

They’re different players playing different roles. Lebron is one of the best facilitators to play the game. Kobe is one of the best ever to get treys and buckets. It’s really silly to compare the two, IMO.

The right play for LeBron is to find the best shot. The right play for Kobe was to take the best shot. That’s why LeBron passes more in clutch situations and Kobe shot more.

 

[Jiddy]

"Michael Jordan is a fraud"


...


*proceeds to post a story about how home teams granted close-to-call stats to their hometown players back in the day...ie home cooking*


It must have only happened for Jordan...I'm sure of it. *rolls eyes*

The worst part of this is the punchline is some kind of Lebron defense?

Yeesh.

 

[Wamu]

You do understand Kobe took many more last second shots than LeBron.

Again Kobe wasn't going to shy away, while LeBron often slid away from that spotlight

You really should look things up instead of giving your biased opinion.

I typed in- who made more last second shots LeBron or Kobe. This is what is says.

LeBron statistically has made more clutch shots, including last second shots than Kobe. LeBron has a higher percentage + more game winners (especially in the playoffs). <---------------------

You're totally wrong in saying LeBron hides from the spotlight.

Don't let the hate cloud what the numbers really say.

 

[msgkings322]

They’re different players playing different roles. Lebron is one of the best facilitators to play the game. Kobe is one of the best ever to get treys and buckets. It’s really silly to compare the two, IMO.

The right play for LeBron is to find the best shot. The right play for Kobe was to take the best shot. That’s why LeBron passes more in clutch situations and Kobe shot more.

LOL Kobe is FAR from one of the best ever to get treys, and yeah he got a lot of buckets but he’s almost the player they invented the word “chucker” for. Not super efficient. And of course LeBron got more of both, alongside being the best facilitator as you said. And he’s still going at an all star level

Your comparison is telling, LeBron gets the best shot whether it’s him or someone else. Kobe takes the shot whether it’s the right play or not

 

[Manster7588]

You really should look things up instead of giving your biased opinion.

I typed in- who made more last second shots LeBron or Kobe. This is what is says.

LeBron statistically has made more clutch shots, including last second shots than Kobe. LeBron has a higher percentage + more game winners (especially in the playoffs). <---------------------

You're totally wrong in saying LeBron hides from the spotlight.

Don't let the hate cloud what the numbers really say.

I did look it up, and you're ignoring what I said.

Once again Kobe wasn’t afraid to take that last shot, he wasn't afraid of failure.

LeBron on the other hand was more then content to let a teammate fail.


Here's a breakdown:

• Playoff Game-On-the-Line Shot Attempts:
  • Kobe Bryant: 7-25 (28%)
  • LeBron James: 5-12 (41.7%)
• Regular Season Game-On-the-Line Shot Attempts:
  • LeBron James: 23-69 (33.3%)
  • Kobe Bryant: 36-115 (31.3%)

 

[trojanfan12]

You do understand Kobe took many more last second shots than LeBron.

Again Kobe wasn't going to shy away, while LeBron often slid away from that spotlight

Do you understand that in the game of basketball there are times that you pass the ball because a teammate has a better shot?

Lebron is more likely to pass in those situations than Kobe or MJ because he is a facilitator who looks to share the ball. On the Showtime Lakers, Magic didn't take all of the clutch shots either.

Lebron and Magic weren't "afraid" to take clutch shots, they were looking for the best shot. If they had the best shot, they took it, if a teammate had a better shot they'd pass.

My guess is that Lebron hitting 46% of his clutch shots compared to Kobe only hitting 27% was because the majority of the time when Lebron was taking a clutch shot, it was because he really did have the best shot...Kobe's percentage would indicate that he was taking the shot whether he had the best shot or not.

 

[trojanfan12]

I did look it up, and you're ignoring what I said.

Once again Kobe wasn’t afraid to take that last shot, he wasn't afraid of failure.

LeBron on the other hand was more then content to let a teammate fail.


Here's a breakdown:

• Playoff Game-On-the-Line Shot Attempts:
  • Kobe Bryant: 7-25 (28%)
  • LeBron James: 5-12 (41.7%)
• Regular Season Game-On-the-Line Shot Attempts:
  • LeBron James: 23-69 (33.3%)
  • Kobe Bryant: 36-115 (31.3%)

Wow, that's some true pretzel logic there.

Not forcing a shot over a double or triple team when there are teammates open with better because he was "content to let his teammate fail" is just pants on head stupid.

By your logic, Kobe and MJ wouldn't pass in those situations because they didn't want their teammates to get the glory of hitting the shot. Say that sentence out loud so you can appreciate how dumb it sounds.

 

[msgkings322]

Do you understand that in game the game of basketball there are times that you pass the ball because a teammate has a better shot?

Lebron is more likely to pass in those situations than Kobe or MJ because he is a facilitator who looks to share the ball. On the Showtime Lakers, Magic didn't take all of the clutch shots either.

Lebron and Magic weren't "afraid" to take clutch shots, they were looking for the best shot. If they had the best shot, they took it, if a teammate had a better shot they'd pass.

My guess is that Lebron hitting 46% of his clutch shots compared to Kobe only hitting 27% was because the majority of the time when Lebron was taking a clutch shot, it was because he really did have the best shot...Kobe's percentage would indicate that he was taking the shot whether he had the best shot or not.

This is trivially obvious but some people just “know what they know” lol

 

[Manster7588]

Do you understand that in the game of basketball there are times that you pass the ball because a teammate has a better shot?

Lebron is more likely to pass in those situations than Kobe or MJ because he is a facilitator who looks to share the ball. On the Showtime Lakers, Magic didn't take all of the clutch shots either.

Lebron and Magic weren't "afraid" to take clutch shots, they were looking for the best shot. If they had the best shot, they took it, if a teammate had a better shot they'd pass.

My guess is that Lebron hitting 46% of his clutch shots compared to Kobe only hitting 27% was because the majority of the time when Lebron was taking a clutch shot, it was because he really did have the best shot...Kobe's percentage would indicate that he was taking the shot whether he had the best shot or not.

I do understand last second plays are called during a Timeout, great players want the ball. Bird wanted the ball and would even tell the other team the play.

When it got tough LeBron pulled into his shell.

 

[msgkings322]

I do understand last second plays are called during a Timeout, great players want the ball. Bird wanted the ball and would even tell the other team the play.

When it got tough LeBron pulled into his shell.

This is not the forum where you can just make shit up and we're gonna go "oh yeah totally"

 

[trojanfan12]

I do understand last second plays are called during a Timeout, great players want the ball. Bird wanted the ball and would even tell the other team the play.

When it got tough LeBron pulled into his shell.

lol

Can't respond to MJ and Kobe passing the ball in clutch moments...

So now we're moving the goalposts with old man Larry Bird stories.

Larry Bird would also pass in those situations if a teammate had a better shot. He was once asked how many points per game could he have averaged if he just concentrated on scoring. He said probably 40-45 but he thought the goal was to win the game.

You should quit while you're behind. But I certainly won't stop you from kicking your own ass.

You clearly haven't got the first clue about last second plays. Players like Lebron and Magic want the ball just as badly as players like MJ and Kobe...the difference is that they want the ball to get it to the guy with the best chance to score. If that's them, great...if it's a teammate...that's great as well.

Great players want to win. Great players with high basketball i.q.'s know that the best way to win is to get the ball to the guy with the best chance to score.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Your link literally proves my point lol. Average heights of 3 through 5 in 57

6 5, 6 7, 6 9

2022

6 7, 6 9, almost 6 11.

The average height of centers in 1960 was 6'10" and it went up throughout the decade. Russell was 6'10", and played from the 1957 to 1969. Oh my, he was 1" over the average center for a year or two in his first few years? Let's just be real. It's safe to say your claim was wrong. You tried to claim Russell was a giant who had multiple inches on everyone else. That's not true. Just own up to it and admit your attempted narrative was incorrect, and we can move along.