KD, the Warriors, Joe Lacob, and money: the situation is evolving

[The Q]

Right, it's not riskless but I remember that same objection when they got KD the first time, people really did fade it saying "oh they gave up too much depth" lol. Not even a thing there. It's more like I don't want to give up 2 potential studs. But now that I learned it would save Lacob money to do it, it's slightly more likely.

As I keep saying though, I'm pretty sure both Kyrie and KD will stay and the Nets will be a top 4 seed in the East.

I mean there are still some vets out there who would be fine to come off the bench.

Plus, you'd be so loaded offensively you could stagger alot of minutes in the regular season to keep them all well fed and also healthy and properly rested.

 

[msgkings322]

Well he was 29 but either way with a KD trade they are easily favs. I can’t say that for the current roster

Current roster they are one of the 5-6 contenders, just like last year. There are no superteams right now.

Get KD and they become the big favorite again, not quite the 2017 all time great team level because like you say everyone is older, but they would be a superteam again.

It's not a bad place to be where either way I'm pretty stoked.

 

[msgkings322]

I mean there are still some vets out there who would be fine to come off the bench.

Plus, you'd be so loaded offensively you could stagger alot of minutes in the regular season to keep them all well fed and also healthy and properly rested.

Don't have to sell me on the strength of adding KD to this team, for the next 2 years they would be strong favorites to win titles for these and many other reasons. But then they have to go back into the muck for a few years and rebuild. KD not coming (and he's not) means they have a great shot at a Spurs-like run of contending for another 5-6 years (if things work out with the young guns).

The way I see it playing is next year they look strong with the big 3, Wiggins, Poole, and another year older young 3. After that I think Poole is gone, to save money and there's just not room for him. Then you have the young 3 in their 3rd year (I'm including Wiseman who has barely played) so they should start to emerge, Wiggins I think they keep, and the aging big 3...another contender but not a favorite.

Then Klay and Dray need new deals. Could go a lot of ways then, but then the young guns need to be ready to step up and become the stars while Curry starts to fade a bit.

It's a good time to be a Ws fan LOL

 

[tlance]

Right, it's not riskless but I remember that same objection when they got KD the first time, people really did fade it saying "oh they gave up too much depth" lol. Not even a thing there. It's more like I don't want to give up 2 potential studs. But now that I learned it would save Lacob money to do it, it's slightly more likely.

As I keep saying though, I'm pretty sure both Kyrie and KD will stay and the Nets will be a top 4 seed in the East.

This is different.

Back then, the big 3 and KD were all in their primes.

They aren’t anymore.

It could still work, but back then it was a slam dunk sure thing. It is very far from that today.

 

[msgkings322]

This is different.

Back then, the big 3 and KD were all in their primes.

They aren’t anymore.

It could still work, but back then it was a slam dunk sure thing. It is very far from that today.

As I've said many times, adding KD in 2016 created one of the top 5 teams in NBA history

Adding him today wouldn't get them there again, but it would take them from one of 5-6 contenders to a pretty heavy favorite for the next 2 years. Favorites don't always cash of course. There would be some doubt, unlike 2017 and 2018.

 

[Montalban]

You hope I'm wrong that KD stays in Brooklyn? That's still my take.

Oh. I thought you we’re sting the warriors would gut their team to get Durant

 

[HurricaneDij39]

LOL I don't "care"

Gotta protect your ego…

 

[msgkings322]

Gotta protect your ego…

My ego is in no danger from you

 

[HurricaneDij39]

My ego is in no danger from you

Was a joke mocking your gay comebacks, that’s all.

 

[msgkings322]

Was a joke mocking your gay comebacks, that’s all.

Yes I know what you attempted to do. Stick to being wrong about the NBA, humor isn't your thing.

 

[Robotech]

OK so when KD first said I want out the speculation started where will he go, he said he wanted Phoenix or Miami, people said other teams like the Warriors or Pelicans could put together better packages, etc. The Ws big 3 signaled they'd be fine with it, and KD signaled the same. Meanwhile Joe Lacob was riding high on another ring and not giving any indication he'd stop spending.

My take was I doubted the Ws would get KD, that I'd prefer they rode with the young core, and that in the end KD wouldn't go anywhere.

But some things have happened since...

1. Phoenix is now out (with the Ayton signing), Miami doesn't want to part with what it would take to get him. KD doesn't want to go to NO and they wouldn't trade for him for that reason.

2. Joe Lacob went on a podcast last week and said that there is a limit and it would be hard to see them bringing back both Poole and Wiggins after this upcoming year, as they will likely cost like $60 mil/yr combined not including luxury tax.

So now I think the needle has moved to the Warriors being the leading contender if KD moves, which I still think in the end he won't. Here's why:

a. The Nets have started out asking for the moon (KAT and Edwards and 4 firsts, the Twolves laughed at them) because why not. No rush. And maybe that's their way of saying to KD hey we tried. So the Warriors, who don't need to make the move, can wait.

b. But let's say the price comes down. Let's say Brooklyn would take Wiggins, Poole, Wiseman, and 2 firsts and a pick swap or two. Now the Warriors might listen because:

1. Adding KD to the team basically makes them prohibitive favorites the next 2 years. Not quite the 2017 level all time great but clearly the best in the league.
2. Poole and Wiggins will cost far more than KD does...and Wiseman has to get paid in a couple years too. Trading for KD is a money saving move for the Warriors.
3. They would get to keep Kuminga and Moody so still have some youth coming up.

In the end I think KD stays in Brooklyn, but it now looks like the Ws could be in play for real. If the Nets ask for like Wiggins, Moody, Kuminga, and Wiseman, hell no. If it's Poole and Wiggins and one of the young 3, I could see the Ws thinking very hard about it.

I'd really rather see the Warriors stay the course with the young guys. If they can't bring back both Poole and Wiggins, you keep Poole and hope that Kuminga, Moody, or Baldwin can fill the void left behind by Wiggins. You keep Poole because he is 23 years old and he is the only player on the roster besides Curry who is good at creating offense.

 

[msgkings322]

I'd really rather see the Warriors stay the course with the young guys. If they can't bring back both Poole and Wiggins, you keep Poole and hope that Kuminga, Moody, or Baldwin can fill the void left behind by Wiggins. You keep Poole because he is 23 years old and he is the only player on the roster besides Curry who is good at creating offense.

Yes you could make a case for keeping Poole over Wiggins. But Wiggins has the perfect position (SF) all locked up on this team. How is Poole going to get enough minutes? He's just not as good a fit. And Wiggins is a better player overall especially on defense. Gotta go with Wiggins IMO

 

[Robotech]

Yes you could make a case for keeping Poole over Wiggins. But Wiggins has the perfect position (SF) all locked up on this team. How is Poole going to get enough minutes? He's just not as good a fit. And Wiggins is a better player overall especially on defense. Gotta go with Wiggins IMO

Curry will be 35 by next March. Poole should see good minutes.

 

[msgkings322]

Curry will be 35 by next March. Poole should see good minutes.

He may not see it that way, he wants to be and probably should be a starter. Wiggins > Poole and Wiggins is only 27

 

[Robotech]

He may not see it that way, he wants to be and probably should be a starter. Wiggins > Poole and Wiggins is only 27

And Poole is only 23. Gotta go with those 4 extra years of productivity, assuming they both hit the wall at around the same age.

 

[Robotech]

He may not see it that way, he wants to be and probably should be a starter. Wiggins > Poole and Wiggins is only 27

Starter/sixth man, does it really matter if you are still getting the minutes?

 

[Robotech]

He may not see it that way, he wants to be and probably should be a starter. Wiggins > Poole and Wiggins is only 27

Also, Wiggins is pretty much maxed out at how good he can be. Poole can still get a lot better. Plus, Wiggins will never shoot like Poole or play point guard like Poole.

 

[msgkings322]

And Poole is only 23. Gotta go with those 4 extra years of productivity, assuming they both hit the wall at around the same age.

No you really don't if one is way better and a better fit. By the time Wiggins 'hits the wall' in what, 5 years? They will be a totally different team.

 

[msgkings322]

Also, Wiggins is pretty much maxed out at how good he can be. Poole can still get a lot better. Plus, Wiggins will never shoot like Poole or play point guard like Poole.

And Poole will never be a super long guy who can lock up the other team's best player in the NBA Finals. Wiggins is the 2nd best defender on the team.

 

[msgkings322]

Starter/sixth man, does it really matter if you are still getting the minutes?

Ask Jordan Poole that. You'll see.