Is Lebron Most Overrated player EVER?

[HurricaneDij39]

Trying to fix geneh's point.

MJ had the will to dominate whenever he liked, and not entirely and pure athleticism. When LeBron was forced to make a play, he more often would defer than MJ ever would. Even Magic Johnson would agree that great players take over in crunch time, not pass off.

LeBron is a better physical specimen than MJ and that's about it.

 

[jayviabay]

Trying to fix geneh's point.

MJ had the will to dominate whenever he liked, and not entirely and pure athleticism. When LeBron was forced to make a play, he more often would defer than MJ ever would. Even Magic Johnson would agree that great players take over in crunch time, not pass off.

LeBron is a better physical specimen than MJ and that's about it.

I think making the right pass to the right player is making a play. Its when he has the chance to drive and create an( and 1) opportunity but defers to Bosh for the three, that makes it the wrong pass/decision. IF its Allen or Miller and they are wide open then you should make that pass more often than not. I think we have all witnessed Jordan do this with Paxon and Kukoc.

 

[hockey878]

What do you call what he is doing now? There has been no one better for the past 5 years. Sounds like dominating to me. Still not in Jordans category but no else is either.

Exactly. Is LeBron Jordan? HELL NO. But to say shit like he isn't dominating the league is just dumb. Hes been the best player for AT LEAST 5 years probably more like 7. You talk about how Jordan was always "in control" of games.... for the most part LeBron is too. Try watching every heat game. Each and every game is like a puzzle for LeBron and usually by the end of it he has it figured out.

Jordan was great. best ever. by far. But stop making it seem like he was some sort of god. The way you speak of him you would think he never missed a shot or lost a game. There are a lot of parts of LeBron's game that compare favorably to MJ, and some that dont. but at the end of the day what MJ was able to accomplish that sets him apart from everyone else.

Saying shit like even if lebron wins 5 rings and 8 MVP's he'll never dominate like Jordan just is foolish. Saying someone can "never" surpass jordan is ignorant. This isn't gonna happen, but do you really think LeBron winning the next 3 championships and 4 MVPs wouldn't put him at or above Jordan? What if he wins 8 ships and 10 mvps? You still gonna say he didn't dominate like jordan based on some fairytale memories you have?

oh and by the way, I am a HUGE MJ fan. Favorite athlete ever. By far, its not even close. The number of people who have dedicated their lives to trying to discredit LeBron is absurd.

 

[tlance]

Trying to fix geneh's point.

MJ had the will to dominate whenever he liked, and not entirely and pure athleticism. When LeBron was forced to make a play, he more often would defer than MJ ever would. Even Magic Johnson would agree that great players take over in crunch time, not pass off.

LeBron is a better physical specimen than MJ and that's about it.

Being a willing passer is a good thing. Lebron appears indecisive at times, and that is not so good.

I would much rather see my superstar pass out of a double team and get a teammate a wide open look than I would see him force a bad shot. It is all about percentages. The key for LeBron is that he needs to attack and create in those situations, but that doesn't mean he needs to take the shot. Hurricane is correct that LeBron does not always make an aggressive play when the game is on the line.

 

[jeffro151]

If being overrated consists of going to the NBA Finals every year for the last 3 years, winning the last 2 NBA titles, winning the last 2 Finals MVP, a 4 time MVP and a 9 time All Star, I'd imagine the whole league would like to be considered overrated.

 

[Shoveyjoe]

The mystic of Jordan is almost as ridiculous as the need to compare every great player to him.

 

[Shoveyjoe]

Exactly. Is LeBron Jordan? HELL NO. But to say shit like he isn't dominating the league is just dumb. Hes been the best player for AT LEAST 5 years probably more like 7. You talk about how Jordan was always "in control" of games.... for the most part LeBron is too. Try watching every heat game. Each and every game is like a puzzle for LeBron and usually by the end of it he has it figured out.

Jordan was great. best ever. by far. But stop making it seem like he was some sort of god. The way you espeak of him you would think he never missed a shot or lost a game. There are a lot of parts of LeBron's game that compare favorably to MJ, and some that dont. but at the end of the day what MJ was able to accomplish that sets him apart from everyone else.

Saying shit like even if lebron wins 5 rings and 8 MVP's he'll never dominate like Jordan just is foolish. Saying someone can "never" surpass jordan is ignorant. This isn't gonna happen, but do you really think LeBron winning the next 3 championships and 4 MVPs wouldn't put him at or above Jordan? What if he wins 8 ships and 10 mvps? You still gonna say he didn't dominate like jordan based on some fairytale memories you have?

oh and by the way, I am a HUGE MJ fan. Favorite athlete ever. By far, its not even close. The number of people who have dedicated their lives to trying to discredit LeBron is absurd.

 

[PHISH_HEAD]

I'm thinking that the answer is yes. Here's a guy who was considered the King before he entered the league, and the league/media has marketed him that way ever since.

The league now astonishingly is trying to create a MJ/Lebron debate, but if you look at his accomplishments so far (and his failures) it becomes obvious that he's nothing close to being in Mj's league or even Kobe's.

Here's why Lebron is probably the most overrated player in league history:

Let's look at all Lebron's failures first compared to JOrdan's.

Jordan's failures or underachievements:

Personally I can't think of any Mj failures. He won 6 rings. 6 Finals Mvp's. 2 Gold medals. Hit every clutch shot imaginable....And never lost in International play to inferior talent. And never lost to an inferior NBA team in the playoffs. In fact, MJ has never lost in the playoffs when having home court advantage.

Lebron's Failures:

2 Bronze medals which is a HUGE embarrassment to U.S.A basketball....Shot 33 pct in the finals Against the Spurs getting Swept in 2007.....2008, played horribly in 2008 playoffs against Boston in 7 game series, shooting 34 pct in the series....Failed to get to the finals twice in Cleveland while having the best team/home court advantage in 2009 & 2010 losing to lesser teams in Boston and Orlando....This was despite having a 67 win team and 60 win team...2011 completely COLLAPSED & Humiliated himself in 2011 Finals against Dallas..

Somehow the media and Lebron fans don't count his many failures against him. It's as if they never happened....LOL...

Lebron's SUCCESSES ...Yes he has some success in the league. However when you look closely at them, they're almost all either tainted, exaggerated or built around pure media hype...

4 nba mvp's...Sounds nice, but this is an award that is voted on by a biased PC media...Awards voted on by media is pretty trite, compared to awards that are actually earned on the court....The MVP more than any other award has been completely tarnished beyond repair. Consider that Steve Nash has 2 mvp's, and Nowitzki 1 mvp (3 combined), and Shaq and Kobe have (2 combined)...This makes the Mvp award essentially worthless. Kobe and Shaq should have 8 Mvp's combined. Enough said.

2 Finals wins.....Seriously how hard is to win championships when you have 3 top players all in their prime decide to form and NBA allstar team to chase rings. And 5 great role players that hitched along for the ride to win rings as well (Battier, Allen, Birdman, Miller, Lewis)...

Plus the 2 rings are tainted as well. One of the rings was during an ASTERISK season, (partial season, no training camp, no exhibiiton season). And the other ring, Lebron CHOKED his balls off in game 6 ONLY to be saved by Ray Allen....

Furthermore Lebron's finals appearences are a complete Embarrassment compared to MJ's....Statisitcally, lebron has never scored 40 points. He's never averaged 30 points. In 4 finals he's never shot 50 pct. Lebron has only shot over 50 pct in 5 games out of 22 finals games...Lebron holds the record for biggest underachievement (finals dropoff) from the regular season in 2011 playoffs..(as he dropped 11 points off his regular season average down to 16 pts against Dallas)...

Mj one averaged 41 pts in the finals. Mj never averaged under 30 pts in the finals. Lebron has never even averaged 30 pts in the finals...This is laughable. Enough said.

Lebron also now considered a great defensive player LOL...The media says Lebron can guard 1-5 positions...WHAT? The guy is an average to good defenisve player at best. He has trouble guarding the 3 spot. Anyone who watched the playoffs this year saw he couldn't guard George. He couldn't guard Danny Green.....During the regular season he constantly got lit up by the best SF's (Melo, George, Durant, Deng)...

Lebron's defensive stats are mediocre. He doesn't block shots (less than 1 a game). He doesn't make a lot of steals less then 2 a game. Plus he doesn't play physical defense/man to man defense as evident by the fact that he doesn't get called for fouls...Yet the media wants to call him a great defender? Why? Nothing supports this.

Jordan used to get over 2.7 steals a game. Sometimes over 3 steals a game. Jordan used to actually get more blocked shots. And there's no comparison to the way Jordan or Kobe plays locked down defense compared to Lebron who is pretty soft defensively.

Yet the media will replay 1 defensive block (in garbage time) against a slow, unathletic white guy, and pretend Lebron is great defensively...

Statistically Lebron puts up great REGULAR season numbers. However his entire career has been 1 choke after another. 1 disappointment after another....

Another OVERRATED accomplishment Lebron gets credit for....Taking a garbage Cleveland team to the finals in 2007....First of all, he got Swept in the finals shooting 34 pct. Secondly, the East was awful that year. Thirdly, did lebron really carry a garbage team to the finals? Well if so, what were Lebron's stats in carrying them to the finals? 40 pts a game? Nope. 25.1 pts a game, shooting 41 pct in the playoffs. Apparently the team wasn't garbage if all it took was 25.1 pts a game on lousy shooting to get them in the finals.


Jordan and Kobe won LEGIT rings, with the same organization, with teams built around them....They never secretly got together with other SUPERSTARS in their prime to chase rings.

They Earned their rings and they never shyed away from the big moments like Lebron has their entire career.

Considering that Lebron's 2 rings are completely tainted: An Asterisk. And a bailout by Ray allen. Considering how taking the 2007 Garbage Cavs team to the finals is a myth. Considering that the season mvp's are meaningless. Considering that he's not a great defender at all. Considering that lebron has been awful under pressure his entire career. Considering that he embarrased himself in 2011 finals and nearly choked away 2013 finals only to be bailed out by Ray Allen....I say YES it's ridiculous to compare Lebron a guy who's failed and choked and underacheived so many times to MJ.

Till Lebron wins some legit rings, without choking under pressure, without Wade/Bosh/Ray Allen, No ONES IMPRESSED...

And FORGET about comparing him to MJ....That's long over. Maybe the media forgives Lebron for his many chokes, and bronze medals, but any true basketball historian doesn't...

The guy is simply the Most overrated, over Hyped player in league history.

Sorry, but the stats don't lie...

Deal with it!!!

Peace!!!

ABSOKUTLY!!

 

[PHISH_HEAD]

YES!!

 

[Ilovemesomeme]

One thing Lebron has on Jordan?

Number of teammates who pounded his mother:

Lebron 1
Jordan 0

 

[Andresrenee]

Im curious if the Miami Heat would have even won it all this year if Danny Granger, Derrick Rose, Luol Deng, and Russell Westbrook were playing in the playoffs. I doubt it.

Ha, Ha...don't follow basketball much do you? Heat beat OKC last year 4-1 and are 6-1 against them over last two years with Westbrook. Heat beat Rose and his bulls 4-1 with a deeper bench two years ago. Some would say they gave the Heat more trouble with Nate. The Heat also beat a Grainger team. NBA titles don't come with asteriks.

 

[Ilovemesomeme]

Ha, Ha...don't follow basketball much do you? Heat beat OKC last year 4-1 and are 6-1 against them over last two years with Westbrook. Heat beat Rose and his bulls 4-1 with a deeper bench two years ago. Some would say they gave the Heat more trouble with Nate. The Heat also beat a Grainger team. NBA titles don't come with asteriks.

In all fairness the Heat were taken to seven by the Pacers without Granger. And the Heat needed a miracle Spurs meltdown to avoid getting beat in six by the Spurs. They're a very good team obviously, but I wouldn't say their winning was a foregone conclusion.

 

[Andresrenee]

Trying to fix geneh's point.

MJ had the will to dominate whenever he liked, and not entirely and pure athleticism. When LeBron was forced to make a play, he more often would defer than MJ ever would. Even Magic Johnson would agree that great players take over in crunch time, not pass off.

LeBron is a better physical specimen than MJ and that's about it.

Great observation. Kobe and Jordon are scorers and shoot first. Lebron does appear to be a bit more human and has had his moments of indecisiveness and struggle in large part because he is a thinker and looks to make the right play. That makes many relate to him.

If GOAT is about total package on and off the court and being a great ambassador to the game and a great human being, then there maybe no comparison if Bron keeps winning titles and MVPs and keeps clean. See Jordon's hall of fame speech, him leaving the game in the gambling cover up, and his overall interaction with people outside of commercials.

 

[Malibu]

Man look at all the bandwagon Heat fans. Notice how they are all upset after what I posted because its the truth.

 

[Andresrenee]

Man look at all the bandwagon Heat fans. Notice how they are all upset after what I posted because its the truth.

You have no clue.....I think you are upset since Kobe's arrogant...I will teach you how to be a champion speech did not go over so well with Dwight. As far as bandwagon, you have me rolling with your Denver avatar...assume right after Payton arrived in the mile high city. Your Lakers avatar -- probably after their last and final 3 peat (stormy times are a coming) and your Gator avatar which you will probably remove soon if you have any shame.

 

[Ilovemesomeme]

You have no clue.....I think you are upset since Kobe's arrogant...I will teach you how to be a champion speech did not go over so well with Dwight. As far as bandwagon, you have me rolling with your Denver avatar...assume right after Payton arrived in the mile high city. Your Lakers avatar -- probably after their last and final 3 peat (stormy times are a coming) and your Gator avatar which you will probably remove soon if you have any shame.

Dwight Howard going elsewhere is the best thing that could happen to the Lakers. Howard's a clown.

 

[Jims_Doors]

You have no clue.....I think you are upset since Kobe's arrogant...I will teach you how to be a champion speech did not go over so well with Dwight. As far as bandwagon, you have me rolling with your Denver avatar...assume right after Payton arrived in the mile high city. Your Lakers avatar -- probably after their last and final 3 peat (stormy times are a coming) and your Gator avatar which you will probably remove soon if you have any shame.

Actually he's a Tebow lover who wishes Tim was still there and Manning wasn't.

Just beware, he's never talked about the Lakers or any other team for that matter not named the Heat. All he does is troll Miami fans, because he has no knowledge of the game. Perfect definition of a piss ant.

 

[Sman2011]

Yep the game wasn't on the line with Heat down 94-89 with 28 seconds when everything needed to go perfect right? Damn most of you Lakers fans are so stupid.

Let me guess the LBJ 3 that made that turned a Spurs 5 point lead into a 2 point lead with 20 seconds to go was meaningless right?

That Lebron 3 was after he shot an airball, that was rebounded by Miller and thrown back out to him. Again, choke job by Lebron with season on the line. He shot 2 airballs, 2 turnovers and was SAVED by Miller rebounding his airball. And Bosh rebounding his clank with 7 seconds left and then Ray SAVing lebron from another major CHOKE.

 

[Sman2011]

Will have this debate when he retires. He's proving he COULD be the GOAT, but that's yet to be determined. MJ only won 5 MVP's, LeBron already has 4 and he's 28.

MVP's is meaningless. The award is Voted on by media. Steve nash 2, Shaq & kobe 1 each. Worthless award considering Kobe should have 5 mvp's if it was voted on fairly.

 

[geneh_33]

Being a willing passer is a good thing. Lebron appears indecisive at times, and that is not so good.

I would much rather see my superstar pass out of a double team and get a teammate a wide open look than I would see him force a bad shot. It is all about percentages. The key for LeBron is that he needs to attack and create in those situations, but that doesn't mean he needs to take the shot. Hurricane is correct that LeBron does not always make an aggressive play when the game is on the line.

Lebron isn't a "go to" guy in to take a clutch shot. You don't necessarily want Lebron to take the "last shot" in a game.

On the other hand, I want MJ to take the last shot, regardless of any and all circumstances. He has the will to win the game on his own while Lebron does not.