Is Lebron Most Overrated player EVER?

[Shoveyjoe]

What does what happened 2 years ago have to do with this year? Or last year for that matter. The Heat have been lucky any way you look at it. All the stars in the league getting injured. And the Fluke in game 6...

As far as I'm concerned, Lebron still hasn't won a legit ring. His first one was an ASTERISK. And this year he choked the season away. So it's an Asterisk and a bailout..

Till Lebron wins a ring without Bosh, Wade, and Ray Allen NO ONE'S IMPRESSED.

You can't be old than 12? So because Allen made a shot and Lebron scored 37 points it isn't a legit title? So since Bryant went 6-24 and the refs gave the lakers a bunch of FTs is that title against Boston not legit?

 

[Sman2011]

You can't be old than 12? So because Allen made a shot and Lebron scored 37 points it isn't a legit title? So since Bryant went 6-24 and the refs gave the lakers a bunch of FTs is that title against Boston not legit?

Lebron didn't score 37 points in game 6. Is your memory that bad...Lebron was 2-13 going into the fourth quuarter....Then with a minute to play shot 2 airballs, and 2 turnovers choking his ass off - only to be saved by S.A missed ft's and Ray Allen's 3...

So in my mind it's a legit ring, but not for Lebron. He was SAVED.

 

[Shoveyjoe]

Lebron didn't score 37 points in game 6. Is your memory that bad...Lebron was 2-13 going into the fourth quuarter....Then with a minute to play shot 2 airballs, and 2 turnovers choking his ass off - only to be saved by S.A missed ft's and Ray Allen's 3...

So in my mind it's a legit ring, but not for Lebron. He was SAVED.

You're logic is beyond ridiculous. Lebron scored 37 in game 7 including the clicher.

 

[Andresrenee]

Lebron didn't score 37 points in game 6. Is your memory that bad...Lebron was 2-13 going into the fourth quuarter....Then with a minute to play shot 2 airballs, and 2 turnovers choking his ass off - only to be saved by S.A missed ft's and Ray Allen's 3...

So in my mind it's a legit ring, but not for Lebron. He was SAVED.

Whatever....

 

[BOTSLAYER]

I really can not believe who guys "debate" with Sman.

and no LBJ is not the most overrated player, MJ is.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

I really can not believe who guys "debate" with Sman.

and no LBJ is not the most overrated player, MJ is.

MJ would take it to Kobe and LeBron any day of the week.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

In what world wold MJ have an advantage vs LBJ? Maybe from deep 2 land.

I agree he would crush Kobe.

LBJ is bigger, faster and stronger than MJ. That does not match up well for MJ. Also just as MJ started to win he would be involved in some super degenerate criminal mischief bull shit and be forced into early retirement.

Oh right, because Mj's will to win would mean he would beat Kareem too 1 on 1 LMAO

 

[BOTSLAYER]

and if you are referring to them having equal teams and being the 5th player LMAO thinking MJ makes his team better than LBJ.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

In what world wold MJ have an advantage vs LBJ? Maybe from deep 2 land.

I agree he would crush Kobe.

LBJ is bigger, faster and stronger than MJ. That does not match up well for MJ. Also just as MJ started to win he would be involved in some super degenerate criminal mischief bull shit and be forced into early retirement.

Oh right, because Mj's will to win would mean he would beat Kareem too 1 on 1 LMAO

What's so odd about MJ playing a big man 1 on 1? Kobe used to play 1 on 1 with Duncan all the time, supposedly learned how to bank the ball more effectively against him. MJ was just plain crafty, trust me, he'd find a way to get around LeBron. I've seen point guards break LeBron's ankles plenty of times lol.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

Please provide video documentation of LBJ being beat by PGs in a situation where it was his job to shut him down.

He shut down MVP Rose, he shut down Parker when he needed to. Then he goes and fronts Melo and Gasol out of the game.

I assure you craftiness, preparation, and experience only go so far to cover up athletic short comings.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

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[OutlawImmortal]

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Tony Parker schooled LeBron to ice one of the first couple of games of the Finals.
Call for the double LeBron

Paul didn't make it but, it damn sure wasn't because of LeBron. LeBron was shook. Looked like LeBron might have fouled him. 2:17
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Embarrassing....

This is just for fun, I call it "timeout".

These are all Heat highlights and I tried to ignore the ones that looked like he just slipped. If we are talking about 1 v 1, these are buckets all day. This is just what's on youtube too, I imagine there's more that haven't been highlighted.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

Parker banked in a tough shot, that was still good D, maybe you should rewatch game 6 and 7 when LBJ was on Parker and he couldn't dribble.

Kobe made him trip up a bit and still didn't drive by him.

I am not even going to watch the Allstar game.

Obv LBJ was correct to over compensate JJs drive because he was still forced into taking a long 2! that is what you want players to shoot all day.

You showed me a few isolated plays that didn't show me much.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Parker banked in a tough shot, that was still good D, maybe you should rewatch game 6 and 7 when LBJ was on Parker and he couldn't dribble.

Kobe made him trip up a bit and still didn't drive by him.

I am not even going to watch the Allstar game.

Obv LBJ was correct to over compensate JJs drive because he was still forced into taking a long 2! that is what you want players to shoot all day.

You showed me a few isolated plays that didn't show me much.

Hold on let me bring out the tape LeBron got dunked on by a high schooler.... oh wait.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

that has been posted in this forum, but you minds well show me more All star game footage.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

You can either admit that LBJ shuts down the other teams best player in crunch time when it matters or you can not admit it. There is no in between that. Every player lets a guy slip by here and there, even fabled MJ.

A better way for you to prove your point would be to say the MJ was a better player than Drose, Parker and Kobe (who LBJ is never matched up on).

Then I would say not a better ball handler than Parker and Rose though and probably not as fast as Rose. Then MJ will not need the space to take the shot other players require so this difference is less impactive on MJ's outside game.

Then I say exactly, we are making MJ a jump shooter which is exactly what LBJ wants.

Then LBJ can use his superior size advantage in the post to back him down and take high percentage shots.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

You can either admit that LBJ shuts down the other teams best player in crunch time when it matters or you can not admit it. There is no in between that. Every player lets a guy slip by here and there, even fabled MJ.

A better way for you to prove your point would be to say the MJ was a better player than Drose, Parker and Kobe (who LBJ is never matched up on).

Then I would say not a better ball handler than Parker and Rose though and probably not as fast as Rose. Then MJ will not need the space to take the shot other players require so this difference is less impactive on MJ's outside game.

Then I say exactly, we are making MJ a jump shooter which is exactly what LBJ wants.

Then LBJ can use his superior size advantage in the post to back him down and take high percentage shots.

Is this not implied? Do I have to reiterate that for ya? Are you seriously having a conversation with yourself right now?

You said MJ wouldn't be able to get around LeBron and I showed lesser players do it. MJ would no doubt be able to get around LeBron and he would be capable of stealing LeBron's cookies. MJ was no slouch on defense. Kobe's smaller and he doesn't get "pushed around" by LeBron as you say. Paul George, and I'm not sure how big Kawahi Leonard is.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Also, the All-Star Game doesn't count now. Folks don't try to get the MVP award, LeBron didn't miss the game winning shot and play it off? Typical Heat fan response I'm sorry to say.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

Lesser players but superior ball handlers, and they still were not cleanly getting around LBJ.

I will save you the time, I have seen players get around LBJ too but when he wants to play D he will shut you down.

I did have a conversation with both sides, it speeds up the process and gives you a better argument than you were coming up with

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Lesser players but superior ball handlers, and they still were not cleanly getting around LBJ.

I will save you the time, I have seen players get around LBJ too but when he wants to play D he will shut you down.

I did have a conversation with both sides, it speeds up the process and gives you a better argument than you were coming up with

No, you stated basic facts to yourself lol.