Is Lebron Most Overrated player EVER?

[Shanemansj13]

There he goes with the stats, stats, stats are everything.

You are easily the shittest poster on NBA boards. It is either :bj: Lebron, or :bj: Kobe, or stats. You have nothing of relevance to add, just go back to the basement.

 

[walter]

You're insane. Learn the game, botslayer, you're making afool of yourself again.

LOL

although i am not sure if i agree with botslayer about lbj being a better player than jordan the little time ihave been on this thread i can honestly say as a former basketball coach i am impressed with his comments

 

[BOTSLAYER]

I can't believe I went back a page to read an Sman post.

Sman you should know that steals do not come very often when you are in the correct defensive position.


Still does not answer the question though:


LBJ posting up MJ

or MJ shooting contested layups and jump shots?

 

[BOTSLAYER]

although i am not sure if i agree with botslayer about lbj being a better player than jordan the little time ihave been on this thread i can honestly say as a former basketball coach i am impressed with his comments

thank you!

wait til you read some more Sman posts, you will be pretty impressed then too

 

[walter]

Yeah, but Botslayer the thing is your opinion is garbage. Worthless. MJ was the greatest perimeter defender ever and it wasn't even close, except for Kobe....

Here's MJ's best stats in steals 3.2 per game, and 1.6 blocks per game...Lebron's best stats is 2.2 steals per game and 1.1 blocks..

MJ was a WAY, WAY better defender then Lebron. He blocked way more shots, made way more steals, and was ten times the man to man defender...

Do the board a favor and stop posting shit you have no clue about it...You're looking retarded.


Peace!!

sman2011 i actually agree with your comments bout mj being a great perimeter defender.also impressedwith your stats suppoting your opinion.but if botslayer gives an opinion with stats to support opinions opinionshis opinion that differ from yours does his comments have to be considered garbage? just 2 different opinions for 2 obviously very intelligent but different individuals.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

I can't believe I went back a page to read an Sman post.

Sman you should know that steals do not come very often when you are in the correct defensive position.


Still does not answer the question though:


LBJ posting up MJ

or MJ shooting contested layups and jump shots?

If I recall correctly MJ shot a pretty good percentage from mid-range lol. In the end, neither of us would ever really know though so we're just screaming into the wind here. You realize you claimed CP3, Kobe, Tony Parker were all better ball-handlers than MJ right? How average of a ballhandler was MJ in your eyes? lol.

How come LeBron doesn't man up for the dunk contest though? Kobe won it his rookie year.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Nice little Nujabes beat to go along with it.

 

[OutlawImmortal]

Sorry for multiple posts. Since it was brought up, this is what we got on Kobe vs MJ.

MJ says: In case ya'll forgot

I get it botslayer, you think people look at the stars of the past with rose-tinted glasses on. There's a reason why these guys are remembered and so revered. Just be glad LeBron's even in the conversation.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

If I recall correctly MJ shot a pretty good percentage from mid-range lol. In the end, neither of us would ever really know though so we're just screaming into the wind here. You realize you claimed CP3, Kobe, Tony Parker were all better ball-handlers than MJ right? How average of a ballhandler was MJ in your eyes? lol.

I said Drose and Tony Parker were better ball handlers with Drose probably being quicker. MJ was a great ball handler but he was not an elite PG ball handler.

How come LeBron doesn't man up for the dunk contest though? Kobe won it his rookie year.

I honestly think he thinks it is an unnecessary risk or silly. He did one in highschool.

Ok, so what I fond was that LBJ in his last 2 seasons (this shit is hard to find) shot 53.2% in the post and and averaged 1.043 PPP (91st percentile) last year...

and .958 ppp this year (77th percentile).

He got a little worse because he is doing it more often.


MJ shot a staggering 50.5% for his career (not going to include the wizard years).

Both of them were playing against league averagish players though.

That makes it pretty even but the numbers are kind of skewed because we are not playing against league average players. Both are elite defenders and elite scorers.

The difference comes in when we compare LBJ 50lbs heavier and 2 inches taller against MJ is going to be exactly what he is used to playing against in the post if not smaller. (also LBJ looks taller than 2 inches taller than MJ* pic below)

But with MJ he will be playing a defender a great bunch better than even his average playoff defenders where he shot 47.2%


I do not think this could possibly be a blow out but in a race to 100 I find it hard to think MJ would be able to match LBJs size in the post and will not have a big enough edge in space.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

I get it botslayer, you think people look at the stars of the past with rose-tinted glasses on. There's a reason why these guys are remembered and so revered. Just be glad LeBron's even in the conversation.

I do not think that


I know MJ was great, absolutely amazing to watch.

LBJ is more physically gifted, what he does with it is up to him.

I do not even consider 1 on 1 that important in a team game (I am just discussing it because some body brought it up and it is fun). Players like Melo excel at 1 on 1 and he is nobody I want on my team. My point is MJ would lose in a 1 on 1 game due to the match up advantages of LBJ.

Same reasons that a decent center would beat MJ, the game is played more efficiently from the inside out.

 

[Sman2011]

There he goes with the stats, stats, stats are everything.

You are easily the shittest poster on NBA boards. It is either :bj: Lebron, or :bj: Kobe, or stats. You have nothing of relevance to add, just go back to the basement.

Ok, Shane, forget stats. Let's just go off of your opinion and forget stats/reality..

 

[OutlawImmortal]

I'll admit you bring good points but I'm not sold on it. I just don't believe the 2 inches and 50 pounds would be such a giant advantage for LeBron, but yes, it is fun.

 

[ChrisperJ10]

Nash>Bryant

 

[BOTSLAYER]

Ok, Shane, forget stats. Let's just go off of your opinion and forget stats/reality..

Sman I love the stats because I did not get to watch every game, but honestly you tend to shun my stats and post your hand picked ones. I think that is what he might be getting at. Your block and steal stats were dead on though.

I'll admit you bring good points but I'm not sold on it. I just don't believe the 2 inches and 50 pounds would be such a giant advantage for LeBron, but yes, it is fun.

50 lbs is a lot when 2 5-10% BF dudes are pushing against each other for position. It is like a tug of war but pushing. It would be close either way. MJs size might help give leverage but he will miss that when LBJ spins to shoot. Kareem's sky hook was so unstoppable because it was never blocked (can not prove that but assuming ).

Nash>Bryant

At several things, but not many lists I can think of. We should have a PG list and see where they all come in.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I'll admit you bring good points but I'm not sold on it. I just don't believe the 2 inches and 50 pounds would be such a giant advantage for LeBron, but yes, it is fun.

you're kidding right!

In football terms, a 6'8" 250 TE is pushing with a lanky 6'6" 200 pound WR. Who is going to win the battle everytime and mpve him where he wants to get??

 

[OutlawImmortal]

you're kidding right!

In football terms, a 6'8" 250 TE is pushing with a lanky 6'6" 200 pound WR. Who is going to win the battle everytime and mpve him where he wants to get??

Football is a very different spor. Bill Russell believed that less was more in defending Wilt Chamberlain. MJ was strong enough to not get bulldozed by LeBron, LeBron might succeed in getting to a position on the court he prefers but he still has the task of executing. Also, LeBron doesn't exactly have a turn around, unblockable sky hook.

 

[Sman2011]

Football is a very different spor. Bill Russell believed that less was more in defending Wilt Chamberlain. MJ was strong enough to not get bulldozed by LeBron, LeBron might succeed in getting to a position on the court he prefers but he still has the task of executing. Also, LeBron doesn't exactly have a turn around, unblockable sky hook.

I heard some people say Lebron was faster then MJ...Anyone who ever saw MJ play knows how laughable that is. Jordan was not only super fast, but the quickest guy in the leauge and that included Iverson.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

Football is a very different spor. Bill Russell believed that less was more in defending Wilt Chamberlain. MJ was strong enough to not get bulldozed by LeBron, LeBron might succeed in getting to a position on the court he prefers but he still has the task of executing. Also, LeBron doesn't exactly have a turn around, unblockable sky hook.

They are different sports but if you follow football you know every play starts at the line. Who's line can dominate the other? Push the other back in between the tackles and drive them back for that 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Size almost always wins except in special circumstances when plays are ran to counter size (speed and distance or stretch plays). In basketball the post is the line of scrimmage and in space play is the stretch play.

In this case Basketball is exactly a football line of scrimmage. It is a battle for space with strength and size being the only 2 measurables that matter. And regardless what you may think, 20% more muscle will have a huge difference in a "push o war".

I heard some people say Lebron was faster then MJ...Anyone who ever saw MJ play knows how laughable that is. Jordan was not only super fast, but the quickest guy in the leauge and that included Iverson.

Fast doesn't really matter, quickness and explosiveness do. And just like we can't prove LBJ is faster than MJ (which I do not thnk anybody said) you can't prove MJ was faster than Iverson.

 

[Sman2011]

They are different sports but if you follow football you know every play starts at the line. Who's line can dominate the other? Push the other back in between the tackles and drive them back for that 3 yards and a cloud of dust. Size almost always wins except in special circumstances when plays are ran to counter size (speed and distance or stretch plays). In basketball the post is the line of scrimmage and in space play is the stretch play.

In this case Basketball is exactly a football line of scrimmage. It is a battle for space with strength and size being the only 2 measurables that matter. And regardless what you may think, 20% more muscle will have a huge difference in a "push o war".



Fast doesn't really matter, quickness and explosiveness do. And just like we can't prove LBJ is faster than MJ (which I do not thnk anybody said) you can't prove MJ was faster than Iverson.

Botslayer, you seem pretty confused. Basketball is primarily a game of finesse....What are you talking about when you say 'basketball is exactly a football line of scrimmage..."

You're confused.

 

[Sman2011]

Perhaps Botslayer was getting 'high" when he wrote that last post. LOL.